Has held joe bidens age. At what point is time for leaders to make way for newer fresher and younger folks . Good evening. Im ready hassan. It was not obvious by now, the Republican Party has become the party of sore losers. From donald trump to carry like, put me on. The gop has repeatedly ignored the will of the voters and refused to accept defeat. However, the situation is now actually escalating. Republicans are not just refusing to recognize election results, but they dont. Like the refusing to recognize judges and prosecutors they dont like. As well. Across the, Country Members of the gop launched a four frontal assault. With a rule of law. And by extension on our very democracy. Starting in georgia, where Fulton CountyDistrict Attorney fani willis has of course indicted donald trump and several members of his inner circle for their election interference efforts. The ex president has pleaded not guilty to those charges, and waived his right to an arraignment. Meaning he will not return to atlanta this week for a scheduled wednesday hearing. Trump and several of his fellow codefendants are now battling it out in, Court Fighting to sever themselves from one another in the broader conspiracy case. Now, rather than focusing on this latest indictment against trump and a political message bound to create, Georgia Republicans have a different focus. I was doing the prosecutor, yes. I was doing fani willis. Earlier this year republicans in the state established bill 1982 which was a commission appointed by the governor andy st. Officials tasked with disciplining and removing any prosecutors who, according to that commission, violate the oath of office. After a grand jury handed down that Indictment Strip Trump in Georgia Republicans have their sights on the air first to target. With the states in fulton more calling for an Emergency Session to reviews due williss actions. On, thursday the states Top Republican senator thankfully shot down malls call. Up to this, point i had not seen in the evidence that d. A. Willis is an accident or lack thereof warrant action by the prosecutors attorney oversight commission. It is good to see cam speaking out but he is hardly a hero here. He is the one who signed this ridiculous law in the first place. As msnbcs To Hone Junes points that with his signature, compass actually gave into witness conservatives a weapon and told him to. Use it it was a desperate display of, quote a man trying to put out a fire he helped fuel. Its not just trump the Republican Party is trying to protect. Look at wisconsin, which has been dubbed the unions most gerrymandered state. Four years republicans have redistricted the state so aggressively it has now become practically impossible for democrats to gain control of the legislature there. These mass despite clearly giving the gop and prevented wearables to stay in place due to the conservative controls. And change this year after the justice assailant took on the high court with a new liberal majority for the first time in more than 15 years. And they are locked into the court came just in time is it set to have to lawsuits this term which seeks to have the match pasta. Now, even before the newly elected to justice has heard a single case, republican lawmakers are already asking them to accuse herself and threatening the unprecedented step of removing her from office if she refuses to do so. Leading the chargers republican speaker robin vos, who has allege theyve somehow pre the case due to comments she made during her campaign. I also argue her acceptance of nearly 10 million from the Wisconsin Democratic party is disqualified. Is vos making his case to reporters last week. My hope is we still will see the Supreme Court justices your prejudge cases saying, thats not right. Thats the way our systems address and americans operated. With the prejudge. Case they will recuse themselves from any potential case where they will be involved. If, not to me that is a pretty clear violation of the way that all of america works. As opposed to not prejudge ring. And we have to discuss it. You will began . I dont. Now we have to wait and see what happens. Now i want to be clear, even the republicans in wisconsin among the democrats would benefit from federal match, it Wisconsin StateDemocratic Party some of local lawsuits before the court. Not also just like to point out the concerns helped a majority in the court and set the recusal. Laws and designed a Campaign Donations dont necessarily require. There refusal from a case involving a donor. Its also important to note the comments made during a campaign have never previously been used as a reason for justice to step aside. There is no precedent for what the republicans are doing in wisconsin, but it gets worse. Perhaps the most ludicrous example of these desperate attacks to attack the judiciary is the gops baseless investigation into North CarolinaSupreme Court justice, and you. Charles back in, june earl gave an interview to an online News Magazine when she was asked about the state reported which are the most lawyers appearing before the court our white man. Or lissie only black women on the bench, saying the court should examine the reasons behind that disparity. Which she referred to as implicit bias within the judiciary. Pretty knocked was comments, right . Not according to North Carolina republicans. As a result liberal some remarks, a state Judicial Commission opened an investigation into the justice. Asking whether she violated the code of the states condo just for saying that there was implicit bias. It could result in a hurry disciplining or removal from office. The only black woman on the court for really speaking factually about racial bias. You cannot make the stuff up. There is only one way to describe what those republicans in georgia and wisconsin and North Carolina are doing. It is fundamentally anti democratic. All the people we just talked about, fani willis, janet and anita charles, were elected to their position. And republicans are not going after these three individuals because they violate the law or any real code of conduct. It is because they disagree with a politically. As we await the outcome of these investigations, the impact of these could extend far beyond three individuals in three states. The results, impossible Domino Effect that will continue to undermine american democracy as we know it. Here to discuss, former california Supreme Court judge and Glenn Kirschner former prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst and email highs, or Senior Correspondent of vox focusing on courts constitutional democracy. Thank you all for joining me this. Evening let me start with. You want to get your reaction to that in georgia, to try to compete and remove d. A. Fani willis. This kind of personal targeted attack on an individual prosecutor, just the logic and depressing next step on assault on our justice. I dont know how low some of these State Legislatures will go. I would like to try to find a little bit of silver linings. Behind that big dark cloud that you just laid out for us. The one place i think i could trying to put the ball up tomorrows over the last several years the courts have by and large held. They held in the election challenge litigation, even the Supreme Court. Even the Supreme Court refused to give donald trump any play, any audience when he went about trying to overturn the elections results. This is some ugly stuff being done by The State Legislature. But i still want to believe that these statutes will be challenged. They will move into the courts. And i still believe the courts will hold. Although i now look back at my 30 years practicing courts and military civilian, both federal and local, both trial and i always felt like it was a politics free zone. I dont think my experience in that regard was unique. But boy, the republicans trying to go after elected District Attorneys now, feels just really ugly and dangerous. The, and lets move on to wisconsin. You wrote extensively about the. Here is this just republican everything to burn their state from actually functioning as a democracy . Thats exactly right. Lets be clear whats happened in wisconsin. The Republican Legislature has been gerrymandered past the point of democracy since about 2010. In 2018 democrats won 54 of the popular vote for the states. Republicans still get the Super Majority in the legislature. This is virtually impervious gerrymandering. Democrats have now taken every step they can possibly take. They tried to elect a State Legislature that would undo the gerrymandering. Couldnt do it since it was too powerful. They had federal lawsuits in a state called which went all the way to the Supreme Court. There was a case called where the Supreme Court so were not going to do anything at all about gerrymandering, period. That option was out. And then democrats said we still want our state to be a democracy so were going to elect and majority in the state Supreme Court. And then the state Supreme Court will strike down this gerrymandering. I think because The State Legislature stepping in through impeachment or federal courts stepping in through some kind of junction, if Something Like that happens the message will be sent to the people of wisconsin is, essentially wisconsin is it all a garki. There is a legislative body that not only is elected by the people but in practice can only be held by republicans. All of The Powers That Be have won by one taken away all of the the can be used to do something about gerrymandering until there is nothing left. And just moving over to North Carolina, josh, as a black woman who has served on the bench, how blatantly racist is it for republicans in North Carolina to go after the only black woman on the Supreme Court there for speaking about the subject of racial bias . Mehdi, we have been here before. After the civil war during reconstruction, formerly enslaved men had the vote and used to elect African American men into office in the south. Let us take georgia. During reconstruction 69 African Americans were elected by black voters a State Delegates and state senators. However, when the federal government had orders from Andrew Johnson and withdrew federal troops from the south, we construction came to an end in jim crow began. In georgia, white southerners used terror, intimidation in the kkk to in their words reviewed the state. One quarter of georgias elected were killed and threatened and beaten or jailed. By 1906, there was just one bullet legislature who was elected by block voters in georgia. What does this have to do with . Today after the murder of george floyd in what seems to be a racial awakening in america, we were in a 21st century reconstruction. When we saw efforts to reform the criminal legal system and to bring Racial Equity to a minor of institutions. But i fear now, as in georgia and North Carolina and wisconsin, the history repeats. We are seeing blatant efforts by the gop to remove our lawfully elected judges, State Representatives and prosecutors who are almost exclusively African American. I believe that what we are witnessing todays reconstruction reductions. It is truly scary and some of these places. Glenn we have talked about trumps legal problems. Criminal legal problems. Let us talk about his constitutional problem. There has been a push to solidify donald trump from Holding Office following the 14th Amendment with his actions in january the 6th. The 14th Amendment says you cannot run for office or hold office if you have been involved in an insurrection. We are seeing a few lawsuits now from activists referencing it, secretaries of State Suggestion they should at least look into this provision including michigans joshua benson. The plan to speak with her counterpart in another battleground state. Is this a legal plan, a constitutional plan, worth pursuing . It looks like this train is barreling down the tracks. And it looks like lawsuits will be brought, mehdi, whether state Election Officials or secretaries of state pushed donald trump on the ballot will be challenged in court. Whether they declined to put donald trump on the ballot, that will be challenged in court. And you know, i have to say with judge luttig on the right and professor tribe on the right in the two Law Professors who are so seated with the federal society, professors and polson. There are some is there in the lengthy articles that are as provocative as it is definitive. What they say regarding the self executing nature of Section Three of the 14th Amendment. They say every official state and federal who judges or certifies our for office must disqualify donald trump. I mean, that is a definitive. I think it is going to be a great day for lawyers because they are going to be fully employed with all the legal challenges that will be brought. Glenn, interestingly enough you mentioned the Supreme Court earlier having not taking trumps side during his big lie campaign. I want to bring it in here. If this ends up in the Supreme Court which i assume it will be, if the states takes the radical stamp of disqualifying when is a two major president ial candidates from running on the basis that is a violation of the 14th Amendment, all the Supreme CourtSupreme Court justices, what will they do . We have been looking for one new tricks to save us from donald trump since 2016 and ill be honest, i dont think there is one. I think i mean, legal academics can argue over this legal theory and i think it is a perfectly fine legal theory. I think it is very unlikely that the republican Super Majority on the u. S. Supreme court can buy it. And also missile, a i think the message that every single American Needs To Internalize is that if you want to get rid of donald trump you cannot expect the courts to saving you cannot expect the prosecutor to save you and you cannot expect anyone to save you by yourself. And the only thing you can do is get out and vote for joe biden and hopeful of other people do as well. Judge, cordell 30s or guns left. Do you think the suns up before the Supreme Court . And what do you make of it in your opinion . A very well could end up before the Supreme Court. We wont know what will happen because it will be. Six supermajority six who can do whatever they want. Because they can hopefully follow the law. There is just no guarantee. Im not particularly hopeful but i do think if this is brought it will end up with the court. I would remind everyone that Republican Senate leader Mitch Mcconnell called january 6th insurrection. And so donald trump was to blame. 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