So this guy aided Four Billion Dollars of net worth in a matter of 8 to 10 seconds. The republican front runner found liable for fraud as he continues to escalates threats. This is what we have seen time and time again, and tonight, during threat to our democracy from donald trump, and what it looks like a financial Death Penalty for his Trump Organization in new york. This is such an across the board laws, it is hard to see how this does not spell the end of donald trump, the businessman in new york. And President Biden makes historys. Time to step up for us. Tonight, the incredible scene in michigan where the president joins Striking Union workers on a picket line. What it all means with this former Chief Of Staff ron acclaim. All in starts right now. Good evening from new york i am chris hayes. The head of the Republican Party, one of two major parties in our system is once again stoking violence and anyone with eyes to see or ear stay here should be pretty freaked out about where this is all going to lead. Just in the last few days, just a recap of say the last three days, trump floated the idea of executing the outgoing chairman of the joint Chief Of Staff, for general more to milley. He calls for this very network and our Parent Company to be investigated for quote country threatening treason, trees and of course also punishable by death. Trumps threats against people prosecuting him in four criminal cases across four jurisdictions have become so relentless and intense, those top prosecutors now require round the clock Protection According to reporting by the New York Times. To top it all off, yesterday the ex president visited a Gun School Store in South Carolina where he admired and said he wanted to buy a Firearm Bearing his name and face. What is the quality of this kind . Thats a clock. A glock actually did that and these are actually great sellers for us. And you saw them with the picture on it . We do, comes exactly like this from glock. Wow, they sell well have . Yes they sell very well. So if you want one, this one. I want to buy one, thats great. Now a spokesperson for trump said the ex president did Purchase A Gun at that store which could be illegal under a federal law prohibiting the Self Firearms to people who are under indictment for crimes carrying sentences of more than a year. Indicted defendants are also barred from shipping and receiving any weapons across state lines. So then a spokesperson mayor deleted his post and said trump did not actually buy the gun. And while the republican front runner has been running around threatening the world, he was also just found liable of fraud. Today a new york judge ruled the ex president committed repeated acts of fraud and lied about his net worth four years. We will talk more about that huge ruling and what it could mean for trumps Business Assets later in the show. All of this recent behavior from the ex president , again this is just the last few days right . You may not be seeing it because he is on his own weird little social Media Network that does not seem to have much of an audience. All of this is right in line with one of the most consistent aspects of trumpism. The explicit cultivation of the threat of Political Violence as a means of influence and wielding power. Of course, the ultimate example of thathe attempted coup on january 6th, with some remarkab new accounts of just how explicitly dold trump encouraged violence on that day and one of those accounts comes from a new book written by the former aide to trumps Chief Of Staff, mark meadows. That is caskets in. You remember she ded the Bombshell Testimony before the january Six Committee last summer. This excerpts highlighted by my colleague Rachel Maddow ahead of h interview with caskets and last night. Hudson describes a scene from the afternoon of january 6th, after news has broken that the rioters have breached the capitol. Quote, the tv and the oval dining room is blaring. The president is yelling. What is he saying . I cannot make it out. I hear him saying hang repeatedly, hank. What is that about . Mark handss phone back to me, the queue for me to return back to my desk. Back in my office, my Phone Notifies may have a trump tweet. Mike pence not of the courage to do what should have been done to protect our country and our constitution. I am struggling to process what is happening as mark meadows and Pat Cipollone and pat filament and herschmann stumbled back to the office. I overheard the conversation and suddenly, everything makes sense. They are calling for the Vice President to be hanged. The president is okay with it. He does not want to do anything. He doesnt think they are doing anything wrong. He thinks that mike is a traitor. This is crazy. We need to be doing something more. Now in light of that revelation plus what we already know, i think the most charitable interpretation of Donald Trumps intentions and actions on january six is that he didnt care one way or the other if what he did and said resulted in the murder of his Vice President. The least charitable version as i was hoping the crowd would murder his Vice President. That they would get them, they would string them up and lynch. Ow this comes on the heels of another new revelation from retiring senator mitt romney of utah. According to an excerpt of his forthcoming biography, written by mccabe cabins, multiple republican members of congress were persuaded to vote against impeaching donald trump for inciting an insurrection on january six because of the threat of violence. Quote, one republican congressman confided to ronny that he wanted to vote for trumps second impeachment. He chose not to out of fear for his family safety. The congressman reason that trump will be impeached by House Democrats with or without him. Why put his wife and children at risk if it would not change the outcome . Later, during the senate trial, romney heard the same calculation while talking with a small group of republican colleagues. When one senator, and amber leadership said he was leading towards voting to convict, the others urged him to reconsider. You cant do that romney recalled someone saying. Think of your personal safety said another. Think of your children. The senator eventually decided they were right. There is one thing that an open society, Liberal Democr simply cannot accept, it is the routine indication and use of violence by thosin the political system. The mainstream players and it, as a means of wielding political power. As eric levitz puts it in the magazine, the moment an elected official changes their vote on a present public matter, not because they fear electoral backlash from their constituents, because they fear that their party leader will endanger their childrens lives. Democracy has been compromised. Cassidy hutchinson echo this concern about the danger of Donald Trumps threats to her and to the country, when she spoke with Rachel Maddow last night. This year has helped me open my eyes to the dangers that trump actually poses on people in the situations. I am not the only one and i wish i could say i would be the last person, unfortunately i wont and that is what he does to people that he thinks speak out against or that the track from him. It is one of the more Dangerous Things that donald trump to and this is something that we have seen time and time again and it should not have to be like this. Again we have two Political Parties in this country. To political coalitions and he is the head of one of them. He is a leading contender to be the republican president ial nominee. He was the last republican president. Political violence emanating from the very heights of our political system from one of the two major parties, that is the red line for a democracy. Donald trump as far crossed that line. Ruth is a professor of history in italian cities at the inner author of the Book Strongman from mussolinis the present. George conways a prominent Conservative Attorney and foreign republican and are both joining me now. George, people can speculate about the State Of Mind in all of this, the pattern here is clear. I thought you know with Cassidy Hutchison relays in that book, where she cant look his mind either but what she can say is he is watching them say hang mike pence on tv and then he tweets that. You can try your own conclusions about the degree to which this figure views the threat of violence as an actual tool to explicitly wield on his behalf. Yes absolutely, i think a lot of people dont take that seriously and dont quite understand it because it is foreign to them. That two kinds of people, that two categories of people who best understood donald trump in 2015 and 2016 where students of psychology and psychiatry. Then students of history like ruth. They both come at it from Different Directions but they get again to the same place. From a psychological standpoint, the explanation for his behavior in january six is that he is a narcissistic sociopath. A psychopath, a malignant narcissus. He is all of those things, a megalomaniac and all of those things intercept. He wants power, he has no conscious, he can do that he feels he can do whatever he wants and that he is immune from rules. That is exactly how he behaved on january six. That is what you are seeing now in all of this other threats to what will he do if he is elected president again. The house story and look at that from we have seen these people before in history, heres what they have done. Ruth wrote an excellent book that i recommend to everyone, ive been recommending it for three years now. Strongman that basically goes through what these people are all like from the historical standpoint and of how they behave and how they operate. They operate just like donald trump. One of the things that is striking here that is the sort of daytoday level ruth and cassidy hostage in talks about this New York Times, talks about it as you know if you go after powerful right, if you have a liberal society and its all sorts of things that you might risk right, you might have career issues, theres reputational issues and maybe get sued for defamation. There is a bunch of things and that is all within the boundaries of a Liberal Democracy all business aside. The thought that you will be hurt or the people that you love be heard, that is a different kind of thing. That is what New York Times says. The fbi says theyve seen the number of threats against a personal facilities surge since the agents carried out the unauthorized search at maralago. Subs created with the threats that u. S. Officials at thes incentive written more than 300 . In part, because the identities of employees and information about them are being spread online. What does this do to a society when this is now just an accepted part of how things operate . Yes it is how we get to the gop and president ial debate where all of the candidates undercut their own power and humiliate themselves, raising their hands saying that they would support donald trump who was not even there, even if becomes convicted felon. This is the politics to fear and what you are describing is these are dynamics that are also typical of correction because this is how fear is how and corrupted authoritarians get people to do things. What donald trump has been doing and we could look back at this is what ever since fascism, all authoritarians do, they try and change the perception of violence in the minds of the population from something repugnant to something that becomes necessary and even morally righteous. Donald trump has been doing this through his Campaign Events since 2015 and so when we cover in the media or otherwise his campaign rallies, his appearances including going to the gun store, these are radicalization of offense and the goal is interesting because today, as january 6th proved and also january 8th in brazil, they cannot get the military to cooperate with your coup attempt or whatever you try to do. You have a civilian army that you can cultivate civilian thugs. That is why there isnt and a game to this cultivation of violence as well. It was a little frightening to me that obviously to follow what he says truth social professionally george. I want to trot out a theory to you. I think back and forth about back when he was tweeting all of the time and a shrine to distract you and live in your head and how much attention should you give him . My general feeling is that the expressions of what you call his malignant narcissism, that was visible for all of those to see on social media really that hurt him in public perception. It was one of the reasons he had such low favorables. It was one of the reasons that the Republican Party would be like gee, i wish he would stop tweeting. He has actually been with the aided a bit by sort of receding a little bit from Peoples Awareness where he is saying like yes, we should execute that of staff. I would come after him, stay tuned he says. I will come after comcast. That is not the attention that it might have once had because people listen to what he says or truth social but he is saying what he wants to do. That is absolutely right. I think it in on sort of way, his banishment from twitter actually help them for exactly the reason you said. If i were a journalist being charged with assigned a task of doing a oneonone interview, there are two approaches that might take. Ones out might be using the crossexamination approach that a lawyer would use but that is a little bit hard because you are not in a courtroom and hes not under oath. The other thing i would do is i would sit with him facing me and i would put a tv screen between us. I would flash up ten of the most outrageous social media posts that he is issued in the last three months or so. I would highlight different parts of them and say you said this, why do you say that . Do you really believe that . I would get him to expand and expand upon that. I think that will draw peoples attention, this is the man who actually says this. He adopt all of those things and he means it. Ruth benghiat and george conway, great to have you both. I really appreciate it. Coming up, the republican front runners criminal dryers likely wont start until next year but a New York State judge today just said on tuesday, is this the end of the Trump Organization as we know it . That is next. Is next the power goes out and we still have wifi to do our homework. And thats a good thing . Great in my book who are you . No power . No problem. Introducing stormready wifi. Now you can stay reliably connected through Power Outages with unlimited cellular data and up to 4 hours of battery backup to keep you online. Only from xfinity. So this evening and then home of the xfinity 10g network. Extraordinary and rare move, and New York State judge found that donald trump committed fraud without even needing a trial and a jury to weigh on the evidence. In a civil lawsuit brought by new York State Attorney general letitia james, the judge found the ex president committed yearslong business fraud. Inflated his assets to get favorable and insurance deals. The judge agreed with the state Attorney General and the ruling is frankly scathing. The judge writes acquired in trumps world, rent regulated apartments are worth the amazon regulator permits. Restricted line is for the same as unrestricted land. Restrictions can evaporate into thin air. In a fantasy world, not the real world. The judge granted Summary Judgment on specifically fraud claims meaning the Attorney Generals Office proved or provided so much overwhelming evidence that the judge ruled it does not even need to go to trial. That is it, youve got me, i am convinced. Here is another thing, as a remedy, the judge also ordered the cancellation of Donald TrumpsBusiness Certificates in new york. This ruling tonight means that Trump Organization in new york at least is basically facing legal extinction i think . Lisa reuben is a former litigator and now msn legal analyst. Charles coleman prosecuted civil cases on behalf of the u. S. Government and now a civil rights Criminal Defense Attorney and they both join me now. Charles, let me start with you and incivility geisha, parties wise for Summary Judgment, motion to dismiss Summary Judgment. How often does plaintive get a summary or a judge being like i have seen enough . It is extraordinarily rare that this occurs. Summary judgment has a decision we were