If someone you know is arrested and charged with a crime, please contact augusta bail bonds. Augusta bail bonding can help you get your loved one out of jail quickly. Apparently, it is a good slogan, because augusta has done brisk business in the state of georgia. According to the washington post. Since its founding, the company has executed more than 200,000 bonds, with a total liability of over 800 and 34 million. Now, it seems that one of the owners of augusta bail bonding, is a man named scott hall. Hall has reportedly done wall for himself. Because of that, he knows a fair number of state hes also reportedly a relative of david dawsey. Donald trumps 2016 Deputy Campaign chairman. According, again, to the washington post, mr. Hall became enthusiastic about trump s rise in 2016. Hall boasted of attending the Trump Campaign vip watch party on Election Night in new york, in 2016. So, scott holmes, well connected in the state of georgia. Apparently, a big trump booster. But also, not an elected official. Not a political operative. A Bail Bondsman. And yet, by November 20th of 2020, scott hall finds himself in a central role in a georgia president ial election. Halls name comes up in an email from the head of the states republican party, david schaffer, to trumps 2020 Campaign Election day operations official. Robert centers. It says, quote, scott hall has been looking into the election on behalf of the president , on behalf of david bossy. I know him. By december 3rd, Bail Bondsman scott hall was testifying to the Georgia State senate as part of Rudy Giulianis misguided efforts to convince legislators that there was widespread fraud in georgia in the 2020 election. I got up this morning, okay, and cried. Okay . I literally cried. Ive got just as many friends on the democratic side as i do the republican. I feel like ive got alabama playing football, all a piano by a nose, they go back and review the video. They say you didnt quite make it. Theyre saying you just are mad because you didnt lose. Because you lost. I said no, i think youre cheating. When in reality, somebody paid the dam referee 1 Million Dollars to in fact call this game. Bail bondsman scott hall has become such an expert in this alleged fraud that former overstocked ceo, Patrick Byrne, one of the most absolutely in hunched voices in trumps ear during that election period, Patrick Byrne starts referring to Bail Bondsman, scott all, as our man in georgia. So, scott hall is in the big leagues at this point. Then, on january 2nd, the day that donald trump calls georgias secretary of state, brad raffensperger, to ask him to find nearly 12,000 votes, on that day, Bail Bondsman scott hall allegedly spends about an hour on the phone with Jeffrey Clark. The Justice Department official who is working furiously to tip the election to trump. On that day, reportedly after that call, Jeffrey Clark allegedly tries to persuade his bosses at the Justice Department to send a fraudulent letter to georgias governor, as well as the heads of the state house and senate, claiming that the doj has serious concerns about georgia s elections. So what did Scott Hole Say to Jeffrey Clark . I would sure like to know. By january 7th, scott halls chartering a jet to Coffee County, where he is seen on camera, inside the election offices. There he is. Thats all part of an effort to steal data from Georgia Voting machines in order to prove that somehow, the Voting Machines had been tampered with. Scott hall later bragged about his role in that data breach in a phone call to the head of an Election Security advocacy group. Quote, im the guy that chartered the jet to go down to Coffee County to have them inspect all those computers. How did scott hall, Bail Bondsman, and up becoming a self appointed Forensic Expert on Voting Machines . Did someone put him up to it . Who paid for it . Man, i would sure like to know. On that front, it turns out, we are all in luck, as far as that information is concerned. Scott hall was one of the 19 codefendants indicted in fani willis is Fulton CountyConspiracy Case. He was indicted on seven felony counts. Most of them having to do with his role in the Coffee County voting machine heist. But given scott halls role in a whole bunch of sub plots to overturn the 2020 election, given all his unusual relationships, and phone calls, and activities, there is a whole lot more that Bail Bondsman, scott hall, might have insight into. In the news today, the very big news out of Fulton County, that broke just a few hours ago, is that Bail Bondsman scott hall has accepted a plea deal, with Fulton County prosecutors. He has pleaded guilty to five misdemeanor counts, in exchange for his cooperation. And his potential testimony against his fellow codefendants. This feels like a big deal. Joining me now is chris timmins, a former prosecutor who has tried r. I. C. O. Cases in both dekalb and cobb county georgia. And alyssa murray, and nyu law producer and coauthor of the trump indictments, the historic charging documents with commentary, which is now available for preorder. Thanks for joining me tonight. Chris, i love to start with you first. Scott hall is kind of like the z league of the efforts to overturn the 2020 election in georgia, at least as the reporting would have. It connected to so many big actors in so many different plots. How damaging may he be to some of the codefendants that are outlined in the Conspiracy Case here . Well you remember, alex, when we talked about the carpet that you started the bottom and you roll your way up. Yes. You look at scott hall in the indictment, hes the number two from the bottom. So as far as the 19 or concerned he is one of the least culpable. Whats interesting is that yes, hes got a lot of dirt. The way i take this burst on the way the misdemeanor five count indictment accusations, its not an indictment, with a charge against this case reads, his plea is all About Sydney Powell. Shes the person who is listed as the coconspirator that he allegedly conspired with to overturn the election thats how i read this. Its interesting to see, as you mentioned, there may be perhaps even in other cases. So the other interesting thing is that the d. A. s office did a recorded statement with them even before the plea and what that tells me is that like what was in that statement, which is why they took the plea. So he backs up later on and says that something happened that didnt happen or vice versa, theyve got that recorded statement and they can use it as just a followup on the Carpet Metaphor for second chris. As you pointed out, sydney powell and scott hall our name together in the charging document. He could be a real big problem for her. Would he be the kind of leverage you need to eventually flip sydney powell . Ultimately, you do want to get higher and higher to the upper russia lines of the Trump Campaign or white house . You want to go all the way to the top, alex. Every time you draft a r. I. C. O. Michael is to plead every single one of. Then thats not gonna happen here. I dont foresee donald trump writing a plea in any of these cases. With regards to sydney powell though, its sort of an interesting situation. Because she is an attorney. Im an attorney as well. I probably keep too much of myself identity wrapped up in the fact that i am an attorney. Most attorneys do. Im sure sees the same way. If she pleads guilty to a felony, unlike scott pleading to misdemeanors, she pleads guilty to a felony, she doesnt get to be a lawyer anymore. Shes done. So i anticipate, unless they make her a similar sweetheart deal, that they made hall, shes not going to play, shes going to trial. I dont think theyre interested in making her a deal yet. Well see. You never know. You always are going to make a plea offer to somebody. If its anything other than a misdemeanor, plea like mr. Hogan, shes not going to be pleading. I like the Self Awareness about attorneys being wrapped up in their identity as attorneys. We are. Melissa, that melissa may agree. Melissa, the fact that they are basically, as melissa redmon, Georgia Law Professor and former deputy dea informant Fulton County said, you have to assume that they scott hall, basically has the receipts. Because they are offering him first offender misdemeanors. He gets to go on about his life and keep his business. Does that indicate to you that he must have something juicy for them to let him off with a charges hes pleading guilty to . I think thats exactly right, alex. Not just stuff that might be juicy with regard to sydney powell. He also had the 6 to 3 minute phone call with Jeffrey Clark. I mean, Jeffrey Clark has a lot of liability in this indictment. He is accused of sending a almost sending a false letter to georgia, telling them that there was fraud in this election. Again, escalating this idea that there was fraud and election interference. So there are a lot of people who are potentially attached by scott hall and what he could say, and what he has said, thats kind of the point of this sprawling recall indictment. Many people criticize Didier Willis for having such a sprawling indictment. We later learned that there were actually 20 other individuals that she also couldve climbed but didnt who she decided to charge here is really telling. This is a low level foot soldier. But someone who has the goods on those who are higher up in the chain of command. And those individuals in the chain of command, if they, in turn, flood, they can get you even closer to the head of this alleged conspiracy. Chris, is it recall, sorry, is it flipping season . Is that what this signals . Because we know that prosecutors they signaled that they are going to make plea offers to ken chesebro, chesbrough, chesebro, its so unclear to all of us. And Sidney Powell before their trial starts on october 23rd. I know your feelings About Sydney Powell accepting a plea agreement. But kenneth chesebro, is that a a lawyer. To another eternity whose job is wrapped up in his drop. Is this the beginning . The number was 90, now its 18 codefendants. Are we got to start to see that number stick down . Their biggest value right now, of any of the other people in the indictment, is what evidence can they give against chesbrough, what evidence can they give against powell . Its kind of like a evaluating when you are trying to figure out whether a plea offer coming from a defendant or a plea offer that you are making to a defendant is a good deal. You want to figure out, okay, what are they going to give me . Youve got two cases pending. Youre looking at it in two different ways. What are they going to give me against powell . What are they going to give me an chesbrough . The case is coming up on october 23rd. What can you give me in the bigger case that is coming second . So, if they dont played before the pell and chesbrough case, obviously, they cant provide testimony in that case. So, the value of their testimony goes down, which means the offer that you give them goes up, looking at more time, looking at worst charges. So, it is flipping season. Youre absolutely right. Its got this time pressure, because of the speedy trial demands. Which is forcing those two trials to go to trial october 23rd. Those trials fall through, at that point, weve got more time. Yeah, october 23rd. October 1st is sunday, for Everybody Keeping Track here. Melissa, also happening on monday, its the beginning of new York Attorney general, Letitia James civil case against donald trump. We have some confirmation from nbc news this evening that trump, as in donald, will be showing up to trial on monday. What could go wrong here, melissa . Donald trump testifying in a civil case. Well, i mean the last time donald trump gave testimony in a civil case under all, it didnt go well for him. That was in the civil trial for e. Jean carrolls rape charges. Here, hes being asked to basically talk about whether or not the Trump Properties were over inflated in terms of their value. Hes likely to say that valuation of properties is an incredible subjective thing. People can think about a wide range of factors, in going to an evaluation of a property, and that what he did was not unlawful. It wasnt intentional, on and on. Hes also been called, what members of his family as well. This is the damages portion of this trial. So the judge has already decided that there is liability here. Now we are proceeding to the damages part. Its a bench trial. Theres no jury here. Just the judge. Again, donald trump is a Loose Cannon One sworn under oath. The testimony that he gives here, under oath, can be used in other places. Again, we may have situations where he is called upon, and answers questions in ways that suggest hes very typically over inflating, making hyperbolic statements. That could possibly be used in other pieces of litigation that are also looming. Including these criminal cases. Everything he says can, and potentially will be used against him. Melissa, out one more question as far as trumps other legal peril. Judge Tanya Chutkan who is overseeing the federal case into his attempts to subvert the 2020 election has, again, news tonight, scheduled a hearing on october 16th, relating to the gag order. That the prosecution has sought, that the department of justice had sought, given what they allege are trumps intimidating statements with Jury Pool Prosecutors and witnesses. October 16th, those soon in some respects, its also far away, given all the things trump has said. In recent hours, days, and weeks. And the alacrity with which the department of justice would like to see the judge move on this. Do you read anything into her pushing this off for another two weeks, to make a decision on whether trump will be subject to a gag order . I think judge chutkan is a very good District Court judge. Shes very well respected. Shes deliberate, shes meticulous. Shes also just come out of a request from donald trump to recuse herself in this case. So, i think, shes probably mindful here that whatever she does is going to be cast in some kind of light by the trump lawyer less, who are arguing that she has it in for him. I think shes giving him a fair amount of time, both so that they can prepare for this hearing. We already know that jack smith has filed a response to trumps response. And he has also noted that in the days past, donald trump has made really inflammatory statements about mark milley. So again, this could be an opportunity for her to simply allow the evidence to amass, and a gag order is in fact the case. While also making it clear that shes giving this defendant the kind of room that he needs, in order to defend himself, and to make his claims in court. Well, were going to see how all of this shakes out. October is the month. Maybe. Chris timmins and melissa murray, thank you for your expertise. Your time on this friday night, i appreciate it. We have lots more to get to this evening. Including the lack of preparation for the crisis of historic flooding in new york city. And a lack of preparation for the political crisis unleashed by House Republicans. Ticking clock on the Government Shutdown, and that Ticking Clock on Kevin Mccarthys speakership. Thats next. 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