Stopgap measure thats their own numbers crafted. A small group of republican Holdouts Numbering at about 21 voted against. Its that small group was more than enough to tank the bill, and send republicans back to square one. Possibly taking any hope of avoiding a showdown with them. It was the latest sign of the ongoing division and disarray among the house gop conference. Since the beginning of this, year unresolved tensions between speaker Kevin Mccarthy and a handful of the parties extremists led by florida congressman matt gaetz have repeatedly pled to to our door. Now it appears that they are willing to make good on those threats. As things stand right, now neither house, nor the senate have managed to pass any bills that can avert a shutdown. If no deal is mixed reached by midnight, tonight about 820,000 federal employees, thats nearly 1 million federal workers, in major agencies will be according to the White House Office of management and. Budget millions of americans, including Military Service members, and federal law enforcement, will continue to work, but will not be paid for the duration of the shutdown. Despite meeting for nearly three hours yesterday afternoon, its still unclear what the House Republicans have even drafted of framework that will offer a path forward. House members are back on capitol hill now, and members of the senate are expected to arrive by noon. Its still unclear if anything can, or will be bought to the floor for a vote today. For more on, this im joined now by nbc news capitol hill correspondent Julie Tsirkin, and also with us is a democratic strategist, and a political analyst for siriusxm. Julie, talk to, me what is going on . Congressional members are back in the capital this morning. What do you know about their plans today . Will there be a vote . What can we expect as the clock is winding down. Theyre meeting right now, the full republican conference in the mood room behind me over their my shoulder, theyve been in there for about half an hour trying to see if they can coalesce around a plan to avoid a government shutdown. Have a night tonight, they went into the room this morning with a few plans on the docket. All of them included a Stopgap Measure to keep the government open for a short period of time, whether thats two, weeks 30, 8 45 days. Remember remembers cannot coalesce around, that but now it seems with those handful of conservatives including those they are not going to be able, to pass and able to keep the government open on a short term basis. I talk to congressman matt gaetz for example as he was heading, in i said if anyone could change his mind and get them to now that were just hours away from the deadline . He said now, ed with that in the, room im told theyre discussing plans to potentially put individual measures on the floor to at least pay troops for example to extend the faa reauthorization which expires at the end of this month, which is needed for airlines, air traffic controllers, tsa workers, all of them to operate as normal. That extension, along with many other critical programs expires at the end of this month which is tonight. All down to the wire, of course lawmakers in the room are trying to see if they can make something happen. Those handful of conservatives are determined not to let any Stopgap Measure goes to. Over on the senate side, we saw one republican senator andrew this, room senator Warren Greene of Speaker Mccarthy, its not clear how hes going to help get those hardline conservatives, who dont trust mccarthys leadership on board for any plan. Though the senate has its own problems as you mentioned, they are going to sort of procedural vote later this afternoon on a 45day continuing resolution. That includes money for ukraine, and disaster, relief but does not include Border Security provisions. That was part of the republican plan yesterday, that tanked with those conservative votes. Right now were still at an impasse. Thank you so much, julie one of the things that we are neglecting in this conversation are the Literally Hundreds Of Thousands of federal workers with essential services, you mentioned the faa, and so many different other air traffic controllers. They will not be paid, but still have to work. Others will be out of four. When you are thinking about this conversation, there is so much to be made of the division. In reality, as julia already alluded to, when i talked about it in the, opening we are not talking about a significant split in terms of ideology. What we are really talking about here is a handful, a small handful of republicans who are Holding Things up in the house. My question to you is, how is it they have this much power, even though the numbers so so small in terms of their amount . A couple of. Things one, the myocardia, ology even though this is a small group within the republican conference, the Market Ideout and Republican Voters basis is actually quite. Large we can see that based on the polling that former President Trump still has. This was the same group who made it almost impossible for mccarthy to actually take the speakership. 15 times as a hard road to get to the speaker. I think that what were seeing here is a group that has outsized power, a group that recognizes that they have outsized power, but a group that is also willing to hold america hostage. We talk about the crises, but we have to see it in is the largest growing expenditure, and theres no place for parents to. Turn Military Servicemen and women are going to not get paid. That veteran services the benefits they, need they are going to be stalled. Moms, particularly single, moms those who rely on the program are going to have problems. We are looking at a pandemic, post pandemicera america where we are still trying to get or feedback. We are still trying to stand, and this stand to crush it all, and those mom do not care. Is this more a consequence of how Kevin Mccarthy came into power as the speaker . Is it a function of his failure as a leader, . Is this something, bigger is this a matter of maga ideology going wild, and now not being able to be controlled. Or some combination of the two . Its. Both i dont think anyone would argue that mccarthy has below best later since hes been there. He is also in a very interesting spot in the sense that he had to body up and be like Marjorie Taylor green, thats his right hand at this, point Marjorie Taylor greene is a shes a stalwart, shes not going to change our mind, only thing shes not interested in compromise, shes not interested in bringing other voices to the, table should not interested in what other republicans, who have been there for decades or telling them that this is basically going to submit their faces come election, time but also the American Public will blame the republicans, and rightfully so. Mccarthy is in a tough position because on the one, hand he could get, ousted and thats very recognizable to him. This coalition is willing to come to the curb hes been an entire time of his political career. He wants to be, a speaker he wants to be in this. Position he is willing to take it to the wall. To stay in the speakership, regardless of how Many Americans he hurts in the. Process that was nbcs Julie Tsirkin on capitol hill, and thank you both for getting us started on the saturday morning. Joining me now is democratic congressman dan kiltey of michigan. Hes a member of the house budget committee, and the ways and means committee. Hes also a member of the bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus which means that right now, you are the person that we want to talk to. Congressman, we have less than 14 hours less until federal funding warrants out. Is a shutdown unavoidable right now . Give it to me straight. The American People are getting more and more anxious as the clock winds down. Hello, charles thanks for having me on. To answer the question directly, it is completely avoidable. There are 435 members right now sitting in the house of representatives. Back, in may over 300 of us voted for a Budget Compromise that system for 2024. You can mccarthy walked away from that deal, but i will get into you. This if you put those same numbers, that same deal on the floor of the house of representatives, it would pass, and there would be no shot. The senate could take that up, obviously the senate has its arcane rules that make it difficult for them to move quickly, but the house could do its part to avoid a shutdown. The question is not can, we put will Kevin Mccarthy place the American Peoples instruct interests ahead of his own narrow political interests . Melissa barbara that is the eugenie this is about the American People. People wont be able to get help from the veterans administration, veterans may not be able to get the care they need. It is people wont be able to fly safely, knowing that the faa and the tsa is in place, to make sure that there are careful. There are so many consequences, dire consequences for the American People that it kind of makes this clown show that were witnessing seeing so much more serious than what it looks like with its sort of view from. This is serious business, republicans dont seem to get. That its about Kevin Mccarthy, it is serious business, and speaking of Kevin Mccarthy he is one of the most spoken about individuals that we have right now in the ns, and in the post left, night on x which is formally known as, twitter keeps changing its name like canost, Kevin Mccarthy brought after a meeting with House Republicans this eveng, its clear that this guy has no path forward, and is dead on arrival. And quote, the same can be said about the bills that the House Republicans are now trying to draft, but what are your thoughts on the senate bill . Is there any chance that in the interest of time that the house could copy the homework of the senate as a means of moving things along at a more rapid rate to get it done in the house . We, could and many of us have suggested that Speaker Mccarthy simply could do. That if the votes are not, there than he can explain. That i believe the votes would be there. We do have a difficulty getting the senate to act quickly. The house could take with the senate is working on that very sick framework, and put it on the floor, and i think youd see votes. You would see a Situation Number of votes for the house to do its work to keep the government open. This is really not a question as to whether our solution exists. The solution exists. In fact, most of the democrats and republicans that i talked to here on capitol hill basically agree with the ultimate resolution of this standoff will look like. Lets keep in mind, why are we not able to get to that point . Its because Kevin Mccarthy himself changed the rules of the house, agreed to a change of the, rules he got it, implemented he handed the most extreme members of congress the ability to call a vote on his speakership or to their own when. That is something that he did to himself. Me and believing the only thing he has to do is get to midnight every day, and then start all over again the next day, hes got to realize there are consequences to the decisions he makes every single day. Unfortunately, they are just political consequences, who cares about the politics. These are consequences that are going to be felt for the American People. Me its just completely irresponsible that he continues to put his own selfinterest of being called the speaker as opposed to actually doing the job of being the speaker. Over the interests of the American People, i am baffled by. It congressman, before we go, youve raced to get point in terms of Kevin Mccarthys leadership in sort of how its been the downfall of where we are in many respects. Its no secret that he and matt gaetz have not necessarily been the greatest of friends, even as it was Kevin Mccarthy who was trying to secure the speakership and matt gaetz students. Way there have been talks in reporting that matt gaetz is now speaking to individual members of challenging mccarthys leadership in a motion to vacate, something along those, lines can you tell us what those efforts have look like . Have you spoken to Congressman Gaetz . What is he said to you, or at least what have you heard from him . Well talk to a lot of colleagues who have spoken with Congressman Gaetz, i have brief conversations with him on the floor. I dont share much. In terms of ideology, or approach to governing we dont particularly appreciate the work of Speaker Mccarthy, but for completely different reasons. What hes trying to do is use the tool that Kevin Mccarthy gave him, against Kevin Mccarthy. If kevin, if the speaker wants to end this, just go back to the roles that we had before he became speaker. Lets get rid of this nonsense that allows even the most deranged members of congress to have superior authority over the speaker of the house himself. This Power Sharing Agreement that hes into, with the most extreme members of congress is really the cause of all of this. Its a huge mistake, and its a reflection on his obsession with being called speaker, instead of doing the job of being a speaker, leading. Michigan congressman dan kildee, thank you so much, we hope that you and can get this solved for us by this deadline, thank you for being here. Still ahead on velshi, donald trump is really expected to appear in a Manhattan Court on monday for yet another another one of his legal entanglements, this one is a civil fraud trial, and trump himself is on the witness. List, and remembering a trail blazer, well look back at the extraordinary life and legacy of Dianne Feinstein of Dianne Feinstei what Senator Boxer and i were running, as part of my campaign slogan, i used to say 2 . It may be great for the fat content and milk, but it is not so good for a womans representation in the senate of the United States. E United States. 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