It might take several iterations of this going forward. Republican infighting and dysfunction, thats the theme in washington, d. C. Right now. Congressional investigations reporter for the Washington Post, Jackie Alemany, thank you. Thanks to all of you for getting up Way Too Early with us on this monday morning. Morning joe starts right now. Are you concerned about americas reputation on The World Stage given the level of brinksmanship we have seen this year . Based on the maga republican support, yes. Based on what my administration is doing, no. President biden blaming maga republicans as the country falters and how the movement is endangering democracy. This as House SpeakerKevin Mccarthy defied if right wing of his party. And partnered with democrats to Keep Congress running. Now his job could be on the line. Well discuss mccarthys fate and who he may need to turn for help. Plus, hours from now donald trump will appear in court in manhattan for the start of a civil trial scrutinizing his business practices. Well break down whats at stake as the former president faces off against the judge who found him liable of massive fraud. And Attorney GeneralMerrick Garland gets emotional see the moment he choked up during an interview when asked about Political Violence and why he says its his gravest concern. Good morning and welcome to morning joe. Its monday, october 2nd. Hope you had a great weekend. With us we have the host of Way Too Early and White House Bureau chief at politico, jonathan lemire. U. S. Special correspondent for bbc news, katty kay is with us this morning. Jonathan, we were showing those stills of trump with the california gop banner behind him. Some of the most unhinged things hes ever said, and that is going a long way, he said at that event. Yeah, no, he did. First of all, he used some of George Carlins forbidden words, the president working blue in california over the weekend. He reiterated chairman milley suggested he should be executed for treason. He talked again about his on going criminal trials to the point where as well get into later this morning, jack smiths team is reupping its request for some what of a gagged orrer to keep trump from doing so. He again suggested the process of the coming election could be rigged and the only way he could lose. So it is more of the same rhetoric from donald trump in an overheated and perhaps, as you say, more unhinged way as pressure seems to be building, not just in all of these criminal cases, but this week hes scheduled to be appearing in a manhattan courtroom and may lose his entire business. Well, and you know, mika, two specific things he did where he mocked and ridiculed paul pelosi and laughed about it, told jokes about it. And the sickness was, of course, that hes doing that mocking and ridiculing an 82yearold man that had a breakin in his house and had a hammer slammed into his head and just the worst just a nightmare for any family. And the republican leader is mocking and ridiculing an 82yearold man who was a victim of Political Violence. Again, here is the sick part, really sick theres a lot of sick parts. Theres a lot of sick parts. The sickest part is the crowd was laughing along to the joke. It used to be that you would tell political jokes, you know, Self Deprecating political jokes. Then my daughter walked up to me and said blah blah blah. Put a pin in the politician and everybody would laugh, oh, hes just a regular guy. He is one of us. Here in Donald TrumpsRepublican Party, an 82yearold man having his home broken into by just a deranged attacker, and then getting hit in the head repeatedly by a hammer, first of all a politicians punch line, but again, just showing how sick this maga crowd has gotten, theyre laughing in the audience. On top of that, you know, hes talking about you got to do these mother blankers. Hes talking i dont know if he thinks hes a rapper now, but again, this is and these are people that say, oh, were up right christians. We support donald trump. And were yeah, they support violence . They want their kids going around saying the things that donald trump says . I dont think so. Since i talked about it so much, lets play it. Together we will take on the ultra left wing liars, losers, creeps, perverts and freaks who are devouring the future of this state like a swarm of locusts. And well stand up to crazy nancy pelosi who ruined san francisco. How is her husband doing, by the way . Anybody know. And shes against building a wall on our border even though she has a wall around her house, which obviously didnt do a very good job. What theyve done is theyve gone after opponents so that if you become president , or some other job, but if you become president and you dont like somebody or if somebody is beating you by 10, 15, or 20 points like were doing with crooked joe biden, lets indictment the mother [ bleep ]. Lets indictment him. The Republican Party, theyre laughing. This is the frontrunner. And the people in the audience think this is hilarious. And republicans in congress, many of them, still walking the walk for this guy. Katty kay, it doesnt look very american. There are other countries this might look like. But theres a cultlike sense here and definitely an authoritarian one. Look, donald trump is still the show. Why i think something people underestimated back in 2016 when he ran was his ability to combine his Celebrity Entertainment quality with a smattering of politics and little bit of policy that the base of the Republican Party liked. But, key to it is this ability to shock the crowd, to make them feel hes saying things that they would like to say. But didnt feel they could. And its a rerun of all the things he did in 2016. When he did in the 2016, that was the first time he had done it. Now hes still doing the same thing. You listen to that its a bit of a trump rally in 2016. Less entertainment factor, perhap. Little less humor, rerunning the same stories. Going back over even in that speech in california he went back other the 2020 was stolen election was rigged idea. And you wonder when that starts playing in front of a General Election audience, which were almost there. Almost just running a General Election at this point. How does it still work this time around . Once the whole country is used to it and were looking for the policies for the future and some inclination of what a second term would look like and there isnt very much of that. Yeah. Except, this time hes saying mother fer right . And most importantly this time, hes now so desperate to up up the heat, up the temperature, up the calls for Political Violence that hes mocking and ridiculing an 82yearold man getting beaten up and the audience is laughing along. No. That is something that he has sort of brought this party down. And they laugh at anything and everything just because they said something shocking and dont understand the ramifications, the violence even the country has seen. I wonder how they would feel if their 82yearold parent or grandparent was assaulted by a hammer and was clinging on to life, and entire audiences were laughing about their 82yearold grandfather getting bludgeoned almost to death with a hammer. Again, were in america. Theres something mocking and ridiculing Political Violence of an opponent. This is so after we have seen it happen this is so different from everything else. And i must say for him. A journalist that weekend, but lets go back and talk about how sick, how sick this has become, journalists and people on the right remember the Truth Tellers. Theyre the Truth Tellers. Theyre going to tell you that joe biden is an idiot because he talks about politicians and abortion. Theyre the Truth Tellers. These are the people that have their podcasts and their newsletters. Theyre not going to be like the Mainstream Media. Theyre the Truth Tellers. These are the same Truth Tellers that are calling up whispering, you know theres more to it. This paul pelosi thing, they were gay lovers for years. Paul pelosi was a gay lover. Those are what the Truth Tellers were saying. By the way i remember, i remember getting the calls all weekend. The Truth Tellers, thats why a certain person on social media was a truth im saying, theres just this sickness that continues to spread. The socalled Truth Tellers, this cycle should tell the truth. Oh, but let me tell you the truth about joe biden with. You mentioned this cycle, and thats the difference. Last cycle you could argue, what are we dealing with. People maybe could be given a pass because he wont do that, they dont think hes serious. We have learned he will. And he has and america has been through a hell of a lot since donald trump was elected president and then lost the presidency and tried to steal it and started an insurrection many would argue that We Saw Violence in our capitol and people defecating in our capitol and people going to jail for years and yet you still support him. Its as if there are no rules for this man. No rules. Except, in the court of law. Except in the court of law. And again, these people you know, laughing at paul pelosi getting battered and abused. Laughing and cheering when we talks about killing the chairman of the joints chief of staff. Being with him every step of the way with violence on january the 6th. Joe biden is right. This has been a real problem. So i mentioned the court of law. Were going to be back in 60 seconds, and were going to talk about the rules that trump will be facing today today. In a manhattan court. Starts today. Along with all the other legal issues facing him. Well be back in 60 seconds. Fa. Well be back in 60 seconds. Whenever youre hungry, theres a deal on the subway app. Buy one footlong, get one 50 off in the subway app today. Now thats a deal worth celebrating. Man, what are you doing . get it before its gone on the subway app. What was it like before viasat Satellite Internet . Two words not fun. Log off. Ive got homework no way its still my turn but now with viasats new plans, we have plenty of internet. For everyone learn more about our plans at viasat. Com welcome back to morning joe. As i mentioned, that donald trump doesnt seem to face rules out in the real world, but in court, its a whole different story. And this morning, the former president will be seated in a manhattan courtroom for the start of a civil fraud trial against him. The former president arrived at his onetime home of trump tower last night, a building that could soon be taken away from him pending the decision of judge arthur engoran. The jury found trump and his two oldest sons and his Company Liable of fraud in a case brought by new York Attorney general Latitia James. Today, the Punishment Phase of the trial will begin where the former president could be fined 250 million and forced to give up all of his new yorktate properties. Although he is on the witness list, for both the defense and the prosecution, its unclear if trump will testify at the trial. This is massive. Lets bring in nbc news legal analyst, Andrew Weissmann, the reporter on the investigations desk at the New York Times, Russ Buttener joins us once again. Once again, this is not if hes liable for fraud. This is how much he pays for it, consider ecto . Thats exactly right. Theres a few moving parts in this. There will be some kind of Financial Analysis that hasnt been explained yet, i dont think, about how you calculate the financial benefit that he obtained in doing this. Whether thats the hundreds of millions in dollars in loans he obtained or just the the difference between the Beneficial Interest rate he received on those and lower rate. I dont think thats yet quite clear. The Attorney General estimated that to be 250 million. That suggests it could go higher than that. Oh my god. Then well get to what the receiver will do in trying, i think, to maintain enough assets and the performance of those assets to make sure that hell have access to pay whatever judgment is finally determined. Andrew, also of course the possibility of him having to forfeit some of his properties in new york city as well as his Business License for the state, whats the likelihood of that happening . I think its very likely as mika said in many ways this trial is over. The judge has already ruled on the first of the claims against donald trump. A and his sons and his businesses. And so as russ said, its really a question of what is the financial penalty in terms of the amount of money that will be disgorged from donald trump and his companies. But, having a receiver and his losing his licenses in new york is something the judge already concluded with respect to the first count. There are six other counts there that are being tried this week that involve needing to show Donald Trumps intent and also whether he damaged any Insurance Companies and any banks. Thats the reason why i think Latitia James has him on a witness list to call him because i think shes banking on the fact, no pun intended, that he will be a terrible witness. He obviously has shown that in the e. Jean carroll case. There will be fireworks. But The Big Picture is hes already lost with huge financial consequences that this judge has imposed. Russ, lets talk about that possibility. We know that donald trump is here in new york city. Arrived last night. He has been called as a potential witness for both sides. His sons as well. Walk us through what you expect him to do and if he were to take the stand, what would he say and would any lawyer suggest thats a good idea . I think its always hazardous to try to guess what donald trump is going to do or what the boundaries will be on his behavior. I would suspect that he will show up for one or two days of this thing. And hell make a big spectacle of arriving, make a big spectacle of departing, Say Something outrageous on the steps outside the courthouse. There wont be cameras inside the courtroom, so we wont see him there. He doesnt have to risk the kind of embarrassment of sitting at a table in a courtroom for long hours while attorneys lay him out in filth essentially. And then whether somebody obviously as you said, nobody would want him to testify that could not be productive for his case. But there are two ways i think this could go. Im sure andrew could say more about this. If the prosecutors call him, if the Attorney Generals Office calls him, he would most likely wisely take the fifth at virtually everything they asked. But thats very hard for donald trump to do. He did that somewhat during his deposition. He also said some outrageous things. Or if we get to the end of this trial, which is expected to last several weeks. And it looks like theyre going to get their clock on this, nothing much to lose, maybe they put him up there and let him take a shot at saying something that might turn the judge. That again seems ill advised and highly unlikely. Yeah. Whatever. So, andrew, a couple of questions could you imagine being in such a bad position that you say the only thing we have left is letting donald trump testify in the court of law . Thats our last chance. He did so well during his Defamation Trial where he told e. Jean carrolls attorney that e. Jean carroll wasnt his type and that the attorney, that he was speaking to, wasnt his type either and snarled at her. I thought that was a special touch. That is also where he special touch. Said throughout history people like him were able to do whatever he want fod do. Its just the truth. If you need to know anything about donald trump, its important to watch that deposition. So andrew, couple of things. Number one, you pointed out that its already been concluded that a receiver has to be put in place. I want to understand what that means for Donald Trumps businesses right now. How does that actually work . How does that impact his actual business with other people . Do people still want to do business with him if his company is in this situation. Things like that. And then also if you could touch on the separate the federal case, election interference, jack smith, asking for a gag order. What does that mean . Will it happen . Sure. Just one thing to note, if donald trump takes the stand and actually testifies, whether its for Latitia James or the defense, lets just take one example. He claimed that his own personal residence in trump tower was 30,000 square feet. Even the Defense Lawyers before this judge conceded that was wrong. And the judge is like, how do you not know that its 10,000 feet . So, and then use that to as the court found defraud Insurance Companies and banks by saying he has more assets than he has. And thats