Senator butler after the swearing in to congratulate her. That is tonights last word. The 11th hour with Stephanie Ruhle starts now. Tonight, history on capitol hill, as Kevin Mccarthy is ousted as Speaker Of The House. The first time this has ever happened. So, what happens next . And from speaker to telling donald trump, dont speak. The new gag order against the former president in the civil fraud case. Then, his downfall shocked the business and political world. Now, disgraced crypto king Sam Bankmanfried is getting his day in court as the 11th hour gets underway on this tuesday night. Whoa, baby, have we got one for you tonight. Good evening once again. I am Stephanie Ruhle. And you know we are beginning with the chaos on capitol hill today, brought on by the house vote to remove Kevin Mccarthy as speaker. Keep in mind this is the first time in our nations history that a speaker has been voted out of office. I dont regret standing up for choosing governance over grievance. It is my responsibility, it is my job. I do not regret negotiating. Our government is designed to find compromise. I believe i can continue to fight, maybe in a different manner. The California Republican had only been on the job for nine difficult months. This afternoon, members from both parties voted to strip him of the gavel. The yays yeas a 216. The nays our 210. Motion to reconsider is laid on the table. We get more now from nbcs Garrett Haake on capitol hill. Tonight, after an historic vote in the u. S. House, now former speaker Kevin Mccarthy returning to an office that is no longer his. The office of the Speaker Of The House of the United States house of representatives is hereby declared vacant. Acting on a motion by Florida Republican matt gaetz, eight republicans joining with democrats in voting to vacate the position of speaker for the First Time Ever following an impassioned. Its disgusting and its whats disgusting about washington. Its selfish, that four conservative policies and bad for america. Thats why i strongly support speaker Kevin Mccarthy. There is nothing selfish about wanting a Speaker Of The House who tells the truth. North Carolina RepublicanPatrick Mchenry taking over as temporary speaker. The chair declares the house in recess, subject to the call of the chair. Gaetz declaring victory. Its to the benefit of this country that we have a better Speaker Of The House than Kevin Mccarthy. Kevin mccarthy could not keep his word. While mccarthys allies heap scorn on the republican rebels for defying the party. Matt gaetz wants to wreak havoc and chaos within the Republican Party and he is doing just that. Unfortunately, the American People are ponds in his narcissistic game of charades. The seed for when the florida firebrand was the lost last republican holdout to oppose making mccarthy speaker, eventually voting switching his vote present on the 15th ballot. After working with democrats to matt gaetz voted to try to remove him, with mccarthy saying today. I think matt gaetz has planned this all along. It didnt matter what transpired. Projecting confidence even as he arrived for the vote. Look im an optimist that the narrowly divided house Left Democrats an opening. With a intervene to save a leader many despised . Just nobody trusts Kevin Mccarthy. Nobody trusts Kevin Mccarthy. And why should we . After a two hour meeting, the democratic leader announcing they would stay out of the gop civil war but vote against mccarthy. Mccarthy says he will not run again for speaker. The house is now in recess. Republicans say they will hold a Candidate Forum for speaker next tuesday, and then hold an internal election among republicans wednesday on who they are going to lets get smarter lets get smarter with the help of our leadoff panel. And we need a good one tonight. Sahil kapur, political reporter who has been on duty for the past 15. Hours symone sanderstownsend, former chief spokesperson Vice President harris and host of The Show On Peacock and msnbc. And former republican charlie dent of pennsylvania, you know im going to you first. You saw your fair share of battles when you were on the hill. What is your take on Kevin Mccarthy being ousted, and dont you dare say it was a surprise. No, not a shock. But, what it is, he attempted, Kevin Mccarthy attempted to appease this critics for a long time, when you look at what happened when he became speaker, he accused the piece them on the motion to vacate just one vote. He gives them three seats on the Rules Committee, gabe gabe seats on the appropriations committee. He cut a deal on the debt ceiling, spending agreement, then walked away from it shortly thereafter. He also also the Impeachment Inquiry really set off the democrats. So he appeased those guys, these hardliners in order to secure their support. Well, it did not materialize. I always said that marginalize those guys, just go to Hakeem Jeffries and x number of votes i will work with you and ignore those guys. But tried and they ended up growing him in the end. They sure did. Sahil kapur, what are you hearing on the hill tonight . Well sorry, so. Stephanie yes, stephanie, sorry, sahil . Republicans are overwhelmed by this. 96 of them as mccarthy correctly pointed out did support him, it was the other 4 are ended up forcing him out. Some were overwhelmed, so some look looked teary eyed. There is Succession Plan right, now this is bedlam. They all came in saying they support cover, mccarthy and team matt gaetz who voted to oust him, they do not have a Alternative Speaker in place. So, republicans are an unprecedented place, and as a speaker been ousted, can you the house is paralyzed. And they even bring legislation to the floor, canned committees do their work without a speaker running the place . If they do pass a law could that be challenged in a court . All these questions are being asked, not only on the house side but in the senate side, and of course theres a deadline coming up in about six and a half weeks to fund the government again, mccarthy did ultimately have a choice, stephanie, we have been reporting this for some time now. He could keep the government, open or keep his job. In the final hours to decide who is going to keep the government open and risks his job. They ended up hanging him for it. Proverbial. Hold on a minute. He kept the government open, he did, but for the matt gaetz of the world, symone, to even imply he sided with democrats, on sunday, morning he went on national tv and lie to the American People, and said this thing is not done yet, it is democrats fault. Its democrats fault. There is no way they were going to take that sitting down, and say we are going to protect you, buddy. Because you kept the government open. Yes, it was a very strange turn of events. If you remember right after the government was kept open, right after the house passed the continuing resolution, speaker mccarthys first comments were about hunter biden, cafe milano, and joe biden. It was very convoluted and disconnected from the reality that we all just witnessed. I spoke with a number of members of Congress Democratic members of Congress Today and they all noted that that video of speaker mccarthys interview on The Sunday Show with Margaret Brennan on Sunday Morning was the nail in the coffin for them. Now frankly i dont know why any of us would even suggest to democrats that, why are arent democrats going to work to save Kevin Mccarthy because if the shoe were on the other, foot there would be no way republicans would interfere in House Democratic caucus business to save a leader jeffries, or previously as speaker pelosi. And i think sahil had the tweet of the day, actually, where he tweeted and underscored that speaker nancy pelosi, when she was, speaker had the exact same very slim margin that mccarthy did. For all the he humming and hawing that a number of progressives to privately, nothing like this ever happened while she was Speaker Of The House. And we hear all the time, the farright and the far left, but even the most progressive members of congress, symone, you cant point to anything that they are simply trying to blow up the system, cause chaos, bedlam, or paralysis, which is exactly where the house is right now. Absolutely. You know, stephanie, we talk about American Politics being fractured, and American Politics is broken, congress is broken. I dont think congress is broken or even American Politics is broken. Maybe you know it is the former political staffer in me. It seems to me right now, the Republican Party apparatus is broken. And we are at an inflection point, we often talk about inflection points. We are really at an inflection point. The Republican Party apparatus is at an inflection point. They are going to have to figure out who they want to be, and how they want to govern four if it is even possible. Today, in the last couple weeks or any indication, when you have brendan buck, our colleague brandon buck was saying, that republicans do better in the minority the majority, they are better at complaining and causing chaos and governing, that is saying something. I think we should all pay attention. Charlie dent, you said it a moment ago. It took 15 votes for him to get this gig. He soon after turn over the january six tapes to tucker carlson, much to the dismay of capitol police. He is the one who agreed to this particular set up rules that got him ousted just two weeks ago. He turned down president s alliance, cutest wanted to address congress. And mccarthy is responsible for booting metal detectors. What is his legacy . Well, ive known kevin a long time. He fell into this trap of feeling that he had to try to his critics. He can never win them over. Do you think its their critics. They are his enemies. His enemies, in many cases. There is a nihilistic wing of the party that wants to tear it all down. They dont have an affirmative sense of governments and they dont have any plans, as just stated by symone, they would rather be in the minority. It is easier to to vote no, and that is the mistake that he made, and to a lesser extent i would say, john boehner and ryan do not deal with that group, they ignore them, and that is how you can marginalize them and maybe try to bring them back that way. But do not try to make concessions. That is a speakers committee. The audience may not know what that means its you cant get your agenda done if the company does not know what the speaker, once and you put people in a critical of him. Appropriations, same thing. And i served on the appropriations committee, i watched all of this. It has not changed. It has been going on since 2010. Or, 2011, actually. It has been going on. It has only gotten worse because the margin is smaller, and theyre frankly more of these exotic members who are way out there on the fringe, they are not really we can talk people keep calling them conservatives, theyre actually illiberal populists. When you close your eyes and think what a conservative is, and then you think about how lauren boebert, matt gaetz, and Marjorie Taylor greene conduct themselves, theres does the word conservative hunter enter your mind . No, but whats even worse is what they are allowing these guys to do is, like, on ukraine, there is a Strong Majority in both the house, and the senate to fund the ukrainian war effort. So how can this group dictate to the majority, and we have a votes in congress for a reason. Lets put it to a vote. Ukraine is going to be funded. But they are trying to accommodate these people who want a policy outcome. That is undemocratic by the way. How can a small minority insist on an outcome when they keep losing the vote . And the former speaker, in this case, should not try to accommodate them. I think that has been part of the problem. They just keep trying to take care of people who have no interest in helping. He tried to accommodate them, and i want to go back to what we were saying before. And then he went on television and lied about democrats. Sahil, watch this. I wasnt sure it was going to pass, you want to know, why . Because the democrats tried to do everything they can want to let it pass. The democrats stick together, but they did not want the bill. They did not they were willing to let government shut down for a our military not to be paid. For facts sake, sahil, 209 democrats and 129 republicans voted for that bill. On what planet was he living, thinking that he could say that on national tv, and then democrats would be there for him in his time of need . It was three days ago. So this is a really important point stephanie, and im glad you played that clip. Because you know who else watch that clip, democrats in their caucus meeting this morning. We are told by sources, that exact clip was played, and emerging from that conference meeting, Gerry Connolly of virginia said it was the stupidest Thing Mccarthy could have done on the eve of a vote we are there were democrats genuinely on the fence. It always seemed a bit out there, this idea that democrats would step in and rescue mccarthy. But some of them genuinely were on the fence because they did not want to be seen as toppling a speaker simply for keeping the government open on a clean basis. Him attacking them like that did not help. You know what else did not help . There were a number of things in my conversations with democrats that pushed them to side with the republicans and topple mccarthy. The fact that he reneged on the two year budget, deal the fact that he unilaterally launched an Impeachment Inquiry into President Biden without having evidence of wrongdoing, after he said he would with a house vote turning the normally bipartisan defense bill into a partisan warfare and the other aspect, was centrist members, the Swing District Members who would be the most likely to cast votes or at least see some advantage to rescuing him, he was just going to turn around and using multi Million Dollar war chest to defeat them in the next election. So this whole Incentive Structure did not work. Theres maybe an alternate reality or mccarthy ands up instead of catering to the hardline members working with democrats on some sort of a cross Party Coalition as charlie was suggesting there. That did not happen. If that did happen, maybe democrats would have rescued him. But their attitude now as he made his bid. Hes got to lie in. It all right, well lets talk about this alternate reality that might actually be a possibility as crazy as it sounds, charlie. Is there any scenario, we i realize how divided and fired up people are, is there any scenario because there is no clear person, no clear republican who has the votes to become the next speaker i cant believe im saying, this, but of some sort of Power Sharing Agreement between the two parties, some scenario because. Right now, i dont see who can get the votes from the Republican Party. If no House Republican can get 218 votes from republicans for speakership, and they will be forced into a Power Sharing Agreement. Some states have done, this texas did it. I remember pennsylvania did it. We had a republican as the speaker with a democratic majority. Democrats could not rally around somebody. Texas saying they should have same issue extreme republicans and more moderate republicans or pragmatic republican said to you deal with the democrats. So we have it done in congress. It could be done. How you would separate the committees, who would control which ones, these are all questions that we have never really dealt with before. But if you cant get 218 votes, you have to elect a speaker, so they will need some democrats at some point. But i suspect republicans will rally around somebody whether mchenry, or tom coal, or amara emmer or skellys. Scalise. Symone, what do you think happens next . I think democrats will band together behind leader Hakeem Jeffries and we will see a repeat of what we saw in january, where democrats repeatedly vote in support of Hakeem Jeffries as their leader, and if republicans go through a number of ballots until they can coalesce around one particular person that is a republican. Let me just say this though, a number of democratic members of co