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MSNBCW The July 3, 2024

Car in the indictment has just become very very dark. We will get to that later in this hour tonight. But it is mentioned in the indictment that there was a car accident, but it doesnt say in the indictment that she actually killed someone. We have now learned all of that just today. That story, the more we learn about it, the more we hear the details, it gets more depressing and distressing. I cant imagine that it gets worse from here. This is as bad as any such story has been. Well get to that later in the hour. It is a gruesome chapter in their life. I will be watching, lawrence. Thank you, alex. Thank you. Today, the day after a judge issued a gag order directly to donald trump, who was sitting right in front of the judge in a new york courtroom, donald trump decided to leave that courtroom and leave town. Thats how well that gag order worked. New york states Attorney General Letitia James, who brought the civil fraud case against donald trump, told the news media the donald trump show is over, after donald trump left the building. So mr. Trump is no longer here, the donald trump show is over. This was nothing more than a political stunt, a fund raising stop. And now we can continue to go forward with our trial, and we are confident that justice will be served. Fake tough guy donald trump did not dare disobey the judges gag order today, which orders donald trump to not say a word about the judges staff and the court personnel. So now we have proof that gag orders on donald trump can work. The gag order specifically did not restrict Donald Trumps comments about Attorney General Letitia James or the judge himself, and so, in his performances for the news media, going in and out of the courtroom, donald trump attacked the Attorney General and the judge, mostly by calling them democrats. Because it is a civil trial, trump was under no requirement to attend the trial, and so most members of the news media knew that donald trump was lying at the courthouse today when he said im here, stuck here. Id rather be right now in iowa. Id rather be in new hampshire, south carolina, or ohio, or a lot of other places. But im stuck here. Donald trumps decision, not long after that, to stop being stuck there proved that that statement was a lie, for anyone who didnt already know it was a lie, and because donald trump is uniquely stupid and because he tells so many lies, he cannot possibly keep track of his own lies. Exactly 100 seconds after donald trump said that he was stuck there, he forgot that lie, when he was asked why he was attending the trial. Why attend . Because i want to point it out to the press how corrupt it is. And with that answer, donald trump foolishly admitted to exactly what Attorney General James Accused him of, coming to the courthouse just to put on a show for the press outside of the courtroom. Attorney general james said that donald trump speaking to the press in the hallway was just a political stunt, and she called it, quote, a fundraising stop. And once again, donald trump proved Letitia James right by sending out this desperate Fundraising Email at 2 01 pm. Friend, i just left the courthouse for the day for my unjust trial in new york. Please make a contribution of any amount, truly, even just 1. So there is the defendant, who Attorney General Letitia James says claims to be richer than he is, claims he is a big billionaire, begging people for even just 1. 1, to pay the legal bills that donald trump has decided he cannot afford. Most trump voters never contribute a penny to donald trump. They dont fall for that part of the trump hustle. But the ones who do have the weakest minds in the history of political fundraising response. They worship a man who began running for president saying this. I dont need anybodys money. Its nice. I dont need anybodys money. Im using my own money. Im not using the lobbyists. Im not using donors. I dont care. Im really rich. He never used one penny of his own money. But for those few weeks there in 2015 when he was saying that, Republican Voters were saying that one of the reasons they loved donald trump as a candidate was that he would be incorruptible, because he never had to raise any money. And now, donald trump is the american politician who has set the record for the most money raised to pay for criminal Defense Attorneys. The man early Trump Supporters thought was so rich that he was incorruptible because he didnt have to raise money is now accused of being the most corrupt politician in american history, who has raised more money for his individual benefit than any politician in american history. Donald trumps performance in the hallway of the new york courthouse where he could not keep his lies straight is why none of Donald Trumps criminal Defense Attorneys can build a strategy based on donald trump testifying in his own defense. If trump tries to perform for the news media in the Courthouse Hallways during his criminal trials, anything incriminating that he might stupidly say can and will be used against him inside those criminal courtrooms, even if he is too afraid or too guilty to testify in his own criminal defense. Leading off our discussion tonight is adam klasfeld, senior Legal Correspondent for the messenger and was in the courtroom for todays proceeding. Also tim obrien, Senior Executive editor from Bloomberg Opinion and author of trump nation the art of being the donald. He is host of the bloomberg podcast crash course and a msnbc political analyst. Also catherine christian, Former Manhattan assistant district attorney. Shes an msnbc legal analyst. And adam, we have to bring in with you because you were there. You were in the courtroom today, and because i wasnt and there is no transcript, i dont even know how to guide you in the questioning. Report to us from the court room the things that we need to know today. One of the things that was immediately notable today was just how frustrated trump was. I think i said a little bit earlier in the day, in my reporting, that trump was at the zenith of his frustration. He was moaning in court at a time when the judge had basically accused his lawyers of doing performative questionings. Said there was no jury here. Then trump groaned and said something, just mumbling something about a jury its a very cavernous courtroom. The lines werent immediately clear. It was clear that he was talking about the fact that it was a non jury trial. He was jotting down notes at one point. He threw up his hands. And then, as you noted, lawrence, he went out of town. He flew out to florida and that was the end of his threeday stint for the opening week. He is expected to testify. What happened in court much substantively is ongoing testimony by his former accountant, who had very recently accused the Trump Organization of withholding records. His testimony continued. There was another accountant who was called, cameron harris. He delivered very brief testimony, because he was only in town for a little while, but basically interrupted the testimony of the other accountant, donald bender, who will return tomorrow. And that is what is at the heart of these proceedings. These transactions, the people who prepared the president s, the former president s financial statements, statements of financial condition, and well get in the weeds of that as the week continues without trump there. Kevin christian, one of the things donald trump likes to say in the hallway is that its an injustice that there is no jury for this trial. But that is something his lawyers chose, isnt it . Thats correct. There is a debate, and saying he probably was not entitled to one because this was a case involving the Attorney General seeking equitable relief. But he didnt even ask for one so he couldve astral one and litigated. Instead the law is not clear, your honor, we should get a jury trial. So he literally a check off box the way it works in new york state supreme court. And his lawyers didnt do that. They now are saying well we werent entitled to one anyway but he couldve checked it off i mean his lawyers, dont blame him, his lawyers couldve checked it off and he couldve litigated and said we were entitled to one. Tim obrien, it was never supposed to come to this for donald trump. You wrote a book, the first real analysis saying donald trump is not as rich as he say he says he. He sued you for that. But of course, he could never let that case go to trial, where he would have absolutely lost in the courtroom. And so, it never made it to trial. But his game in the past was always to scare people away from this very subject and try to scare you away from the subject of how rich is he. You know, lawrence, i was fortunate. I was at the New York Times at the time. I had the backing of the New York Times lawyers, my Book Publisher at the time, retained mary joe white, a former u. S. Attorney for the Southern District of new york, who was my primary lawyer. A lot of journalists dont get that kind of support when people with resources come after them. Even so, i think that trump believed that my publisher and or the times, the times wasnt a defendant, it was just me and my Book Publisher, would settle. And we didnt. And as that thing rolled along, and we started through discovery getting his tax returns and his bank records, he became increasingly erratic. And he actually wanted to settle himself at one point. And we had him so far out on a limb, and we were beginning to saw the limb off of that tree, that we refused to settle. And we pushed along, and ultimately a judge dismissed the case on summary judgment, saying that trumps claims that i had acted with malicious intent, Inaccurately Reporting about the shabby state of his finances, was driven by nothing else than fact gathering. And the same issues are in play in this courtroom right now, this idea that he inflated his assets to get larger bank loans that he might not have otherwise received, and he lowered his assets to pay the tax bill. Whats remarkable is that he goes out in the hallway two days now. Yesterday he went out into the hallway and he said, you know, it cant be fraud, because i was relying on the banks themselves to figure out the value of what i was giving them. Which is sort of equivalent of a bank robber saying it cant be a crime because i walked into the bank and the teller shouldve known whether or not i was a bank robber. Today, he goes out in front of the cameras, says the numbers i gave to the bank really werent accurate. In some cases, they were too low. In fact, they were much higher and the numbers i gave to the bank which is may help him in the idea of not misleading the banks but it is not helping with the tax authorities. And his lawyers cant risk strain him from Self Incrimination and displaying how ignorant he is about the possibility of some of the frauds he committed, because i think he retained them from a Saturday Night Live skit. They are as performative as he is. Hes performing for his voters. His lawyers are performing for him. And none of them are gonna get a good result out of that. Adam, apparently one of the judges complaints today is that the Trump Lawyers are performing. When the judge says there is no jury here, what he means is im the finder of fact here, im the person you need to argue this case to. I dont need you to go through the kinds of questioning youre going through, because i already know what these facts are. In a normal litigation scenario, those lawyers would recognize that. They would speed up. They wouldnt want to be bothering or offending the person that is making the finding in this case. The Trump Lawyers apparently still need to perform for the guy sitting beside them there at the defense table. Thats correct. The defendant was still at the table. I will give you a couple of examples. One that happened pretty recently. Trumps lawyers have made no secret of the belief and trump has made no secret of his belief that the statute of limitations would throw out a number of claims. Now, this allegation has failed a couple of times at the trial level. The First Department didnt immediately intercede to stop the trial. But they have throughout the trial lodged objection after objection after objection under the statute of limitations. Look, you major record, they said, you can make a continuing objection that will serve the purpose of your appeal, your record is made, move on. And it took a long time of that for them to actually move on. Today was a different issue. During the Cross Examination of an accountant, there was very combative questions, line by line, under these financial statements. The judge said, essentially, group these all together. That didnt happen and the judge grew visibly frustrated. He pounded on the bench and instructed the Stenographer Record that is pounding on the bench, and said this is ridiculous. This is the dynamic that is brewing in court and its going to carry over as crossexamination resumes tomorrow. Catherine christian, we saw a gag order work today. Donald trump was told, dont you dare say anything about my clerk again, the judges clerk, dont say anything about these courtroom personnel, nothing. And so what it poses for other judges and poses for this judge is what else, what other kind of comment might you want to restrict donald trump from saying . Well, if he, in this case, says something about a witness, and there are a lot of witnesses to be called, you can anticipate, and i can guarantee, that judge engoron is going to make a judgment about witnesses. It was very smart to the judge to make it very narrow, and it was in direct response to the Beyond The Pale thing the donald trump did by posting this woman who is not the judge in new york, we call them a court attorneys, posting her face up, accusing her of being schumers girlfriend, putting a link to her social media, using her entire name. That was Beyond The Pale. And the judge just limited to his court staff. Because as of yet, at least in this trial, donald trump has not said anything about any witnesses. If he does, judge engoron will put a gag order about witnesses. So it will be a step by step. Catherine christian, jim obrien, adam klasfeld, thank you all for starting off our conversations tonight. Thank you, lawrence. 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