President Trump Editing for dictators, he could not get enough of them. There is a very public friendship between trump and putin, but there were other examples to. There were his love letters to new york korean dictator kim jongun. There was his reporting willingness to protect saudi crown prince, mohammed bin salman, aka mbs, even after mbs ordered the killing of an american journalists. And then there was the former president in the philippines, rodrigo duterte. During the trump administration, president duterte went on a brutal extrajudicial killing spree. He ordered the murder of thousands of people he claimed were suspected drug dealers without any trial, without any due process. Duterte was right in the middle of the campaign of bloodshed when President TrumpPraise Duterte for what trump said was an unbelievable job on the drug problem. So, yeah. But trump gave detect a more than just praise. He also gave him highly Sensitive Information about u. S. Nuclear submarines off the coast of the korean peninsula. According to a transcript of a call between trump and duterte in april of 2017, the two leaders were discussing the north Korean Nuclear threat when trump called the Filipino Strongman about two active nuclear subs stationed near north korea. We have to submarines, the best in the world. We have two Nuclear Submarines. Not that we want to use them at all. I have never seen anything like there, we dont have to use this. But kim jongun could be crazy. So, we will see what happens. According to buzzfeed news, Defense Officials were livid about trumps disclosure, saying, quite plainly, we never talk about subs. That was the first time we learned that trump had spilled secrets about nuclear summaries, but it was hardly an isolated incident. That same year trump had a highlevel meeting to discuss a north Korean Missile launch, not in the Situation Room at the white house, but on the Outdoor Dining terrace at maralago. Trump was dining with the japanese Prime Minister when he got the news of the missile launch, and the club was filled with random people who do not have security clearances. And instead of going somewhere private to discuss the missile launch, trump decided to take the classified briefing with desert. A Maralago Club member even posted photos of this classified briefing to facebook with the caption, wow. Center of the action yep. That same year, trump hosted the Russian Ambassador and the Foreign Minister at the white house, which would have been controversial enough on its own, had we not later learned that President Trump also divulged highly Classified Information to those two russian officials as well. Also that year, trump went on fox news and appeared to disclose Classified Information about a previously unknown cia data breach. The cia, i just want people to know. The cia was hacked and a lot of things taken. That was during the obama years. That was not during us. That was during the obama situation. All of that all of that took place during trumps very first year in august. That stuff alone was year one. It did not end there. There was the time trump tweeted a classified drone photo of an iranian space facility. There was a time he sat down for an interview with Journalist Bob Woodward and ended up revealing the existence of a secret u. S. Nuclear program. And it was the now infamous moment where trump allegedly waved around a classified iran war plans, in front of biographer while demanding that someone bring him a coke. Now, today, the New York Times and abc news are reporting and yet another instance of trump giving way americas secrets. According to these new reports, after he left office, trump gave away yet more Classified Information about Americas Nuclear subs, this time, to an australian billionaire. The billionaire is a man named anthony pratt, who runs one of the Worlds LargestCardboard Companies and is a club member at maralago. According to this new reporting, trump pratt highly Sensitive Information that could endanger the u. S. Nuclear fleet, including the supposed exact number of Nuclear Warheads usa marines routinely carry and exactly how close they supposedly can get to a Russian Submarine without being detected. According to sources who spoke with abc news, that australian billionaire then described trumps remarks to at least 45 others, including six journalists, 11 of his company s employees, ten australian officials, and three former australian Prime Ministers. So, not a discreet person, this cardboard mogul. Now, nbc news has not independently verified these reports. But it appears the reason we are learning all of this now is because special counsel jack smiths team has reportedly interviewed that australian billionaire, that cardboard and theyve put him on the list of 80 witnesses who could classify testify in the maralago classified documents in may, which raises a whole bunch of questions about the evidence jacks it has amassed in this case that we dont even know about. Yet. Joining me now is former u. S. Attorney for the Eastern District of michigan, barbara mcquade, who also is the sisters in law post, and devlin barrett, author of the trump trials newsletter. Devlin, im reminded of a piece you wrote in november. The headline is always stuck with me. Ill pull it up now. Investigators say see ego, not money, as trumps motive on classified papers. I thought of that headline when we learned this news about trump bragging about Nuclear Submarines and divulging Secret Information to random cardboard moguls. How do you see this Behavior Dovetailing with your thesis . I think, to your point, there are examples of this. It is not just one instance. These are not one of. This is a thing he tends to do, which is sort of talk about areas and get into conversations with people that the security professionals, the intelligence officials, dont want him to get into. I will say, there was one weird Silver Lining in some of this. And to go back to the point you made about him waving around the iranian document, as far as we can tell, he often get significant details wrong here. So, one of the in conversation, i mean so, one of the strange elements of this whole situation is that this incident could obviously be used as evidence of contempt and potential harm by jack smith in the trial. But it also may not necessarily be chargeable if the information he is relaying to people is not correct. So ironic that you can actually count on the information somehow being wrong, and therefore, its not as much of a security breach. I do have to ask you, though, as a reporter, the instances of trump giving away secrets i mean, these are just the ones we know of. There were so many in the first year in office. This behavior continues in his post presidency. It seems like, devlin barrett, it is impossible for us to truly have a handle on how much he is talking out of turn. Right. And you see so much of his public persona is just sort of, for lack of a better term, riffing, and for someone who gets the president ial daily brief for years and years, riffing can be quite dangerous or problematic. You can see many examples of this. Obviously there, is a significant concern here. And, to your point, there are 80 people listed as potential witnesses in this case. You have to think about what are the odds that this particular australian is the only person who is going to tell a story like this about private conversations about the former president. Yeah, that is exactly, right barb. The fact, as we are learning about this person because of jack smith. And he has a list 80 people long. We know about we have sort of bread crumbs. But what is the fact that this anecdote has not been relayed before . It has been kept under wraps . It wasnt in the indictment. What does that tell you about the strength of jack smiths case, at least as we can ascertain that from the outside . I think this is just one example of many pieces of evidence that we are going to hear about at the trial that are not currently known. This story, that weve heard about from this australian billionaire, seems to me something that would be offered under rule of evidence for 404 b even though it is not relate to the charges in the indictment if they can prove things like intent or modus operandi, or absence of a mistake. So, for that absence, it could be that they want to hear this story from this australian billionaire, and maybe about the way donald trump would be very reckless in handling Classified Information. Because that will tend to prove that he was very reckless in handling the dodges with which he was charged. Can i ask, though, one of the things that jack smith declined to do was persuade dissemination, charge barb. And the thing is, whether with malign intent or not, the fact that he is in fact disseminating this to random cardboard moguls, why not pursue a Dissemination Charge if you are jacks mitt and the doj . So, prosecutors have to think about, number one, can i file this charge in and number two, should i file this charge . So, it is absolutely a crime to probably disclose Classified Information. And we dont know all the reasons. But i can tell you something that could be at play here. Number one, when there is an oral communication, it is much more difficult to prove. Because you have to prove that what the australian Billionaire Heard is accurate, that he is reporting it accurately and that it was, in fact, classified. And so it may be that donald trump was making it up. Maybe he was puffing. Maybe he got the facts wrong, as we heard here. The other thing about it is, if you need to prove that up, they might need to prove up that those facts are true. If they are classified pieces of information, may be that the government is more concerned about safeguarding that information then it is about winning any particular count. There were times when i was working as a National Security prosecutor when i had cases or counts i wanted to bring that the Intelligence Community put the kibosh on it and said, no, it just is not worth it. Because you cant reveal this Classified Information to the public. So, you are just going to have to let this one slide. To that end, devlin, trump has accessed Classified Information once again as part of the Discovery Process in the maralago trial. He wanted to have a scif as secure facility essentially set up at maralago, which would have been ironic, since that is effectively the crime he is being charged with, classified documents at maralago. Do you have a sense of the degree to which that classify Discovery Process is proceeding . The judge ordered a number of safeguards for trump in this process, or safeguards against trump sharing this Discovery Information as part of the Discovery Process. Ease is it chugging merrily process . How the Cisa Process Is sorry to use the acronym is for seeding in this case . So sensitive or the Originating Agencies consider them so sensitive that they have yet to find a good location to store them in florida. So, part of the Trump Lawyers are making the argument that this dynamic is a reason why they need to push back some of the Court Deadlines in this case. But it gives you a sense of how meaningful some of these documents are, that the agencies who made them dont even want them kept in the state of florida. There is about five of them that they want to just stay in d. C. But they are trying to find, essentially, a military or intelligence base, in florida, where they feel comfortable and its safe enough to put him there. And that just speaks to a lot of what we are talking about, which is that some of this stuff is just very, very sensitive. Barb, we know that judge cannon has effectively put litigation on hold wall, basically, she considers trump s motion to delay this case, this trial, until after the 2024 election. Can you explain what is going on here . And how optimistic you are that judge cannon will abide precedent or the law . Or how sympathetic she may be in terms of Donald Trumps defense . I think this issue is going to be a good test of her impartiality. She has come under some fire based on some prior rulings that she has made that were favorable to donald trump. But here, is donald trump entitled to more time . I think we need to know more facts about this and how long it is going to take for them to be able to review these few sensitive documents that devlin has discussed. But the idea that they need a little extra time is not measured in days or weeks, but six months. They have to go from may until all the way past november. That strikes me as just a bridge too far. And so, i think we will be looking to see whether she asks pointed questions, whether she determined exactly how much time they need, and whether it needs to push that trial date. And, if so, increments of 30 days, 60 days, not six months. What happens after November Of 2024 . Barb mcquade and devlin barrett, thank you both for your time, reporting, analysis and wisdom. I appreciate it. Thank you, alex. There is not more ahead tonight, including ron desantis. Poll numbers might not be rising, but his height might be. We will have more on that coming up. But first, new details on what Donald TrumpsGilded Manhattan Triplex an alleged scheme to deceive lenders. That is next. Stay with us. Next stay with us detect this living with hiv, i learned that i can stay undetectable with fewer medicines. Thats why i switched to dovato. Dovato is a complete hiv treatment for some adults. No other complete hiv pill uses fewer medicines to help keep you undetectable than dovato. 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Today, a new York Appeals Court rejected Donald Trumps latest attempts to delay his civil fraud trial, allowing it to continue full steam ahead next week. And now that we have wrapped week one of this trial, we have some riveting new details courtesy of Trump Organization comptroller jeff mcconney, who took the stand admitted evaluations of trumps properties were fraudulent, not by accident, but by design. Now, we have known for a while now that trump was allegedly inflating the value of his apartments and golf courses and so forth. Attorney general Letitia James presented that evidence to the judge in this trial, who has already found the trum organization guilty of fraud. But today we were given a detailed look at the extent to which trumps business hyped the value of his properties, and it is staggering to see.