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Ties with israel. And in fact, israel has stayed largely neutral, in the war in ukraine or, in what is perceived to be partially because it is trying to maintain its relationship with moscow. And, so russia clearly has some allegiances, on various sides of this conflict, and it remains to be seen how, and whether it is going to try to insert itself, diplomatically, to play either a productive, or a counterproductive, role in bringing an end to this. Violence yet, not to mention it still has relationships with iran, and that also complicates everything even more. Iran, be accused of being the backer of hamas, and being a proxy to both hezbollah and hamas, and other militant groups in the region. And, obviously because of what is happening in ukraine, israel, sorry what has happened between russia, it has relied heavily on iran for some support, on that front with ukraine. Dan, do we have a sense of what intelligence capabilities the United States is prepared to share with israel, Going Forward . I think that already, of course, the u. S. And israel have a very close intelligence relationship, so theres nothing that we withhold from israel. As you will. But, in this situation, given the scale of this attack, israel will probably be asking for a lot of technical help, certain types of satellite, or other technical means that can help them respond militarily, to this attack. Again though, there is this question of, why this wasnt anticipated. The other thing you will, here and we are already hearing this in congress and elsewhere, with u. S. Officials. They were also be ready to provide israel certain munitions, certain ammunitions, which they will need as the conflict proceeds, and everyone sort of seems to be bracing for something that is not gonna be over soon. So, that could mean munitions for the iron dome, the Missile Defense system, for example, and some other very specific ammunition, that israel might be asking for, in the coming weeks. All right, dan chops thank you for both to starting off this. Our up, next were gonna get reaction from israels former ambassador to the United States, Michael Please stay. With us stay. With u because i switched to everyothermonth cabenuva. For adults who are undetectable, cabenuva is the only complete longacting Hiv Treatment you can get every other month. Its two injections from a healthcare provider. Now when i have people over, hiv pills arent on my mind. Dont receive cabenuva if youre allergic to its ingredients, or if youre taking certain medicines, which may interact with cabenuva. Serious side effects include allergic reactions, postinjection reactions, Liver Problems, and depression. If you have a rash and other allergic reaction symptoms, stop cabenuva and get medical help right away. 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Just to pick up, on the point that i was reading there, from the current ambassador, ambassador herzog, what will victory look like Going Forward . It will look like, the victory look, like a man, the restoration of peace and quiet, along our borders, and all of our borders, the return of our hostages, that have been taken. Punishing hamas, certainly, to a great extent, so that this can never happen again. That is what victory would look. Like it is it is not like declaring. Victory it will be a long, struggle and a painful struggle. But israel is determined to raise that struggle and determine the. When i know this has been extremely difficult day for israel, and certainly it is it still in the early stages, of assessing how Something Like this happened, and as someone who has served in his early, government and has served and are you shocked, are you surprised by the tactical capabilities of hamas, to pull Something Like this . Of i am surprised, i am not shocked. I think hamas has had a lot of help, from its iranian allies. And it has had it, for a long time. I am disappointed, that we were not able to predict this, in any serious way. We were caught off guard, and certainly when the smoke clears, when the smoke clears, there is going to be investigations. And israel, unlike many other countries ayman, no one is above responsibility. People will be held responsible, if it was found that there were serious intelligence, and tactical failures, in this operation. Why do you think israel was not able to predict this . You know, israels intelligence capabilities are among the best in the world, certainly the best in the region. But, why do you think that israel was not able to predict such an operation . I dont know. I dont know if anybody, knows right now. What we do know, is that we have millions of israelis sitting in bomb shelters, including my own family, my grandchildren. We have hundreds killed, thousands wounded, dozens held hostage. That is our real focus right now, it is not fingerpointing. There will be time enough, after this conflict ends. But right, now our focus is on returning our hostages, restoring safety to our families into our communities, in our neighborhoods. And, ensuring that hamas, or any other proxy of a, wrong never does this again. Can you share with, us since you brought up your family, can you share with us what their condition is right now . What is the latest on what they are hearing on the, ground instead, israel with the committees that at some point had been infiltrated, by hamas militants, and as we understand, parts of those committees have been taken over, and there were ongoing gun fights from Israeli Security forces, and hamas militants. Thats what i understand as well. From talking to my own children, migrant grandchildren, they are in bomb shelters, sirens are going off, over tel aviv. I live in southern tel aviv, so sirens are going off there, and there have been rockets fired, thousands of rockets fired at israel so far. And, school has been canceled, no ones going out, and we have been in the situation, before but rocket fire, we have never been in a situation like, this where there are still active terrorists, who are unaccounted for, who are apparently still operating within israeli territory, holding hostages, and our army has been a major. Oh my associates have been called up, and continuing to form, and we are preparing for what could very well be, a prolonged conflict. And, i am hardpressed to imagine that the head of hezbollah will sit quietly. I am far convinced convinced that hamas, in the west bank or even radical elements from within the israeli arab population. So, this could be a very prolonged conflict. And, for many of us, people who follow this conflict, very closely. And im not alone in this, it was predictable. My own feeling was that iran was very much frightened of the saudi israeli peace treaty, that is being discussed, very much right by the prospect of a nuclearized saudi arabia. Very much frightened by the prospect of return to donald trump, to the presidency. And was looking for an opportunity, to just destabilize. So i mean, israel is divided, deeply divided, political issues. But, the United States, not wanting to be untangled again in the middle eastern conflict, and iran saw an opportunity. In this, i think, was evident too many people, myself included, and we were braced for precisely this type of outbreak. So, i think you are using the word, a prolonged confrontation. Youve talked about the possibility of other fronts opening up, both internally and externally, in israel. I just want, you if i can, specifically ask you about iran. We know that iran has supported hamas. But, to what extent do you believe, or do you know of certainly, maybe from your time in office, that iran was directing, and perhaps tactically involved, in these types of attacks against israel . How much of this is iran backing hamas, and how much of this do you believe iran dictating, and courting hamass behavior . Excellent question. German timing government, i had the task, and i dont say it as of actually being in charge of the gaza situation. And, i learned and the mens amount about it, and found that well, hamas doesnt take its orders directly from tehran, it is greatly supported financially, and tactically by tehran. 95 of all the rockets being fired in israel today, i actually made in iran, smuggled into israel through gaza through the desert. The other 5 are engineered by iran, through the help of iranian trained palestinian terrorists in iran also has a wholly owned, and operated terrace group, known as islamic jihad, in gaza. That puts pressure on hamas, to undertake these type of operations, to vicious terrorist attacks. So, iran is deeply engaged, and iran, as far as i can see, has every interest in destabilizing the middle east, to prevent the signing of an agreement between saudi arabia, and israel. Or, to preempt a situation in washington which may not be to its liking. Let me ask you about the current israeli Prime Minister, for a moment, who has made it a mission of his to reverse the approach towards peace in the region. The israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has boasted about how there is always this thinking, that if israel pursued peace first of the palestinians, and of the broader arab world, theyll be able to achieve. He made it a Central Point of his governing, or governance, i should say, government, to go out and make peace with the broader arab world, and then come back and try to make peace with the palestinians. Do you believe that calculation was a mistake . Now that we are seeing this type of attack, that ignoring the palestinian issue, not addressing the fundamental root causes of the Israeli Palestinian conflict, have led to this moment . Well keep in mind, that it wasnt just Benjamin Netanyahu made that conclusion. It was also the arab leaders, who made that conclusion, that they werent going to wait around for the palestinians to agree to a peaceful offer, because the palestinians, the Worlds Record for being offered peace but being turned down. An hour, were back to ancient history, but it is 1930, seven 1947, 2000, 2001, 2008, they were all for a twostate solution, and turn it down. And it was violence, and arab leaders said enough was enough, we want to move ahead and develop our countries to take advantage of his really technology, and open the region in that way. So, it wasnt just Benjamin Netanyahu, and i think its a large, large segment of the israeli population. You know, i am not in government anymore, i dont have to represent anybody, but i will tell you that a large majority of his release, would like to see some type of progress towards peace with the palestinians. But, precisely this type of this is attack, by hamas, shows israelis that if we ever reached say, a Two State Solution, we are the palestinians were in charge of the state on the west bank, and it would fall to hamas within days. We have a Palestinian Leader who is on the 18th year of his fouryear term, he wont stand for reelection, because he knows hamas would win. So, he had a palestinian it becomes the same type of situation, hamas stands with cooperation, to have the situation in gaza. It is existential for the state of israel. I mention, i live in south tel aviv, i see those areas, i see the outskirts of from my rear window. We were not within we were in rifle range. And so, the drivers are actually to be more deeply convinced, that that type of progress toward, that type of solution, which is not going to be a solution, it could be our disillusion, is not in israels interest. I do have a belief. This is a last point, that by making peace with arab nations, i hope with saudi arabia soon, it will create an environment, the conditions, in which progress toward some type of a solution, our least a better management of our conflict, with the palestinians, could be achieved. Let me ask you finally, just about the return to status quo. I mean, the comparisons that have made fun of the day, is that this is israels 9 11, not just on the side of the intelligence failure, but on the fact that everything Going Forward from here on out, in israel, will not be the same. Obviously, fundamental to that is the relationship that your country has with the palestinians, the ongoing occupation in the west bank, and those conditions. Some have said, that the situation there is part of the reason why there is this ongoing conflict, and if you dont resolve, that you will never have a final peace agreement, in the broader arab world. Do you share that assessment . You have is really members of the, government and certainly members of the coalition, calling for annexation of the west bank, and some say, completely going against an invading and recreating another like 1948. Hummus, is not interested in a twostep solution, it is not just in peace. Hamas determined to destroy the state of israel, to kill every one of, us to kill our families. These the people who drag siblings out of their cars today, and shot them on the road. These are not people seeking peace, this is a vicious, medieval, terrorist organization. And, you could make a Two State Solution tomorrow, and it wouldnt in any way impact hamas, it would probably actually go to hamas quickly. I have been around an awful long time, i was an adviser to the biden administration, 30 years ago, and we signed the oslo cords. Hamas let launched a series of terrorist attacks, and killed many many israelis, including a close member of my own family, it is the Peace Efforts to actually bring out of the terror. I think once, again we are seeing a peace ever between saudi arabia, has brought out this terror. Now that, along with other internal factors and. Gaza keep in mind hamas has its own internal politics, and we have been following very closely the rising opposition to hamas oppression, within the gaza strip. This could be a response from that as well. To but the point being is, apples and oranges. It would be great to be able to make some type of progress, for peace to the palestinians. Anybody who thinks that that peace process, could have a diverted what happened today, what is happening right now, is deluding themselves. All right, former israeli massive United States, michael thank you so much free time, i greatly appreciate it. Thank you. Coming up, some new reporting on how the u. S. Plans to respond to the attack against israel, stay with. Us el, stay with. Us with mr. Clean clean freak, conquering messes is that easy. Clean freaks mist is three times more powerful, and it works on contact. Clean freak, just freak, wipe, done. Tourists tourists that turn into scientists. Tourists taking photos that are analyzed by ai. So researchers can help life underwater flourish. Family is just very important. Shes my sister and, we depend on each other a lot. Shes the rock of the family. Shes the person who holds everything together. Its a battle, you know im going to be there. Keytruda and chemotherapy meant treating my cancer with two different types of medicine. In a clinical trial, keytruda and chemotherapy was proven to help people live longer than chemotherapy alone. 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