Jeremy corbyn says. But i think they will get picked pretty short shrift from the leadership. Theyre watching people like a hawk on this. Can we come back to you in just a moment, but it is just after 9 00. You are watching Sunday Morning with trevor phillips. In the last hour, israels ambassador to United Kingdom has told this program that israel is at war. She says that one of britain is in gaza as attacks continue. Here in liverpool at the Labor Conference, the partys Health Secretary west reading said he unequivocally condemned the action by hamas. He and as we are on top of the hour, lets get the very latest on the situation in the middle east now. And were going live to our own International Affairs editor, dominic waghorn. Hes in the southern israeli city of dominic, what is the latest where you are . Well the, latest here travelers were just north of gaza. What were hearing here is quite a lot of big israeli gardens, Firing Shells and gaza in response to attacks that hamas launched on the city and others. They hit a Medical Center here overnight. After the patients have been moved from there, fortunately. But also hit a residential area as well. I think more worrying for the israelis as whats happening to the east of, here south east of here, installeds, and berry, and these towns on the out skirts. Deep into israel, 15 miles or. So in those towns, we understand that the Palestinian Militants are Still Holding hostages and patrolling the streets. More than 24 hours into this operation, the hamas still controls part of israel, which is an unprecedented situation for these rallies, and an extraordinary challenge to the israeli military. They say they are confident they can deal with that threat, they are now launching air offensive, artillery strikes, Fighter Jet Attacks on hamas targets in gaza. And they say a Ground Operation is imminent. That we see in israel explaining these kinds of attacks to deal with the palestinian threat in the past, but they now very different and way to deal with, an enemy thats proven itself to be an effective fighting force that can erupt from gaza and break through the fence and in multiple places, launch attacks on israeli civilians and soldiers dancing on israeli tactics. Extraordinary pitches weve seen, and now melting back into gaza, most of them and taking with them scores of israeli hostages. Thats a big challenge for netanyahu in his command of the ponderous what to do next. How do you go on to deal with the Homeless Threat while theyre holding so many israelis hostage . In unprecedented situation. The Israeli Government has never dealt with this in their history. Dominic, thank you very much. Well be hearing from you through the day, i think. Stay safe. Now, lets hear from the government. I can speak to the transport secretary, mark harper. Good morning mr. Harper. Good morning, trevor. Many of our viewers will have relatives in israel. What can you tell us about the safety of british citizens in israel right now . Weve already heard from the israeli ambassador that at least one british citizen is in gaza. First of all, let me just say, weve all been horrified by the barbaric scenes that we saw with hamas is indiscriminate attack yesterday. And we are unequivocaly in support of the state of israel as they deal with that threat. And they have the absolute right to defend themselves. On the subject of british citizens, we are obviously working very closely and have been in contact with the Israeli Government about any british citizens in israel. Will obviously continue to work with them, and get information to work with their families back here in the United Kingdom. Is there travel advice that you need to give to the public . Yes, im not going to give it here on air. I would refer people to the Foreign Office website on gave uk because that information is kept up to date and up to the minute based on the latest position. And of course, my department is working closely with airlines that fly to israel, working with the Israeli Government on the position there, to make sure we keep people safe. Thank you. Could we turn to your own responsibilities as transport secretary now . He last week, your leader spoke several times about long term decisionmaking, which to most people would imply some kind of bipartisan agreement. On for example, a chance to . What would you like to hear from this week . On many subjects, but including on a chest, who it would be nice if the labour party had the same position one day to the next. We made our position very clear last week. The Prime Minister is set out why we had changed our position on a chance to, which is because the facts have changed. Cost of the project i have gone up significantly. And the benefits of reduced partly because of the change in travel habits. Were taking every penny that weve saved and we are reinvesting that in other transport infrastructure across the country, in the north, in the midlands, and elsewhere to projects which actually we think better fit what is needed. Id like to come back to that, but i asked you what you like to hear from. If i may say so, i dont think its the best invitation to the Opposition Party to join you in an enterprise to start by telling them that theyre flipflopping. Isnt there an invitation here to join you in a common cause . Look, has had multiple different positions on a chance to, and i listen carefully to what the leaders said yesterday. She had a different position saying that she wanted to carry on building a chance to. Weve set of opposition clearly, which is that we want to take every penny that were saving and reinvested in the transport projects. Its for others to decide what they want to do. If they dont agree with, us and they want to carry on building a second phase of agents to, with and they need to tell people whether they want to cancel those other transport projects. Look, i would urge everyone to do what weve done, which is to put the National Interest first, to make the decision that we have, we think thats the right decision for the future. We look forward to campaigning on that in the general election, to winning that election, and delivering on those commitments. All right, well lets test your claim to clarity here. Youve launched this idea of a new net worth north that supposed to soak up this 36 billion quip that you freed. If i can just ask you quickly for some yeses and noes on some things, is the bradford station going to be built . Yes, it is. We were very clear about the promise to bradford, 2 Million Pounds for the station. I was in bradford yesterday. The labor leader of the council, and they welcomed our commitment to that investment in bradford. That is agra bleak clear. Let me ask another one. You said last week it was going to happen. Euros minister said since, you are just looking into it. Who is right . What were doing is were going to develop a vince case for that, but weve made a big commitment to the northeast elected mayor for a significant amount of money. I think 1. 8 billion pounds. And it will be for them to decide how they spend that money, and they obviously have many sidelines, one of their priorities in the incumbent position said that our last week. Thats an amber on that one. Let me ask you a third one. Is the houston station going to be billed even if there is no private money . Weve been very clear. We want to get used in build. Were gonna take away the delivery of the station from hstlimited. We think its much better if we have a more ambitious Development Plan for used in. Have a Development Corporation to build thousands more houses. More business development, and also private investments are you going to guarantee that is going to be built . We think are you guaranteeing thats gonna be dealt . Weve just demonstrated with the development of weve got nine billion pounds of investment into that scheme, including to develop the extensions to the underground. We think thats the right model to save the taxpayer money and deliver public infrastructure. Okay, you see why im about bothered by this year. Youre very clear on your first answer, but your second answer is, depends on what thanks. Your third answer is like weve done Something Like this before, but you can see why people are bit anxious about. It you announced that the Manchester Metro extension, which by the way had already been billed. You announced contactless take again. The point im really making here the Manchester Airport extension is an extension. It only goes to one terminal, its now going to go to the next terminal. So thats actually a new project. Its an ad on . But you see what im saying. On all of these things, theres a level of ambiguity, which you want from your opponents, but you are not necessarily delivering yourself. No, i dont think theres anything ambiguous at. All we take every penny of the savings from a chance to, 36 Million Pounds. And we set up how its going to be spent in parts of the country where a chest who is going to be spent. So most of, it two thirds going to the north, ten billion pounds going the midlands, and the same thing for getting private in the country and happy to be judged on it. The one question, that the Prime Minister didnt quite answer in a speech last week. He said he took his decision because the facts had changed. On july the 17th, you tweeted that a chance to would connect our largest cities that must include manchester in birmingham ton, because theyre the third or second, and it would create Tens Of Thousands of jobs. He said that on july 17th. What actually happened in 11 weeks between july 17th and last week . What facts changed . Two things. First of all we are committed to delivering a chance to frame thats a huge project. Huge amounts of public money to deliver a big capacity increase and it will still take 30 minutes off their journey time between london used in and first of all, were still building. That second, the second point is that we are seeing increased costs pressures on delivering a chance to. And the decision for the Prime Minister and myself was whether we wanted to sign up to those increased you knew all that in july . Whether was right to reinvest it. There is been an increase did you not know that in july . That there is a vast overrun in july . We did. But weve had further were done by the company that at some point you have to say, do we continue spending more money on a project where the benefits of reduced because of different ways people now travel . Business and Commuter Traffic is down by half, for example, on the runways. Commuter traffic forgive me, we have heard that. You made that decision. Forgive me, we are running out of time. But it seems to me that it was and the facts that changed. It was your mind that changed. There is no dishonor insane that. You knew all of this in july. You just changed your mind. Why not say that . Well, look, the pressure is on the finances have actually changed over the summer. And weve looked at the facts, we work through all this information. And when the facts change, you make a different position. Mark harbor, thank you so much for your time this morning. Thanks very much, trevor. Thank you. But now, lets go back to our panel. Jackie smith and mcallen lawyer and aishas are r. I. C. O. That was interesting. What do you make of that . Its quite a hard gig for mark harbour on a Sunday Morning. It is his job. What is hard for him to explain is why there was no kind of obvious road to this reversal, even a few weeks ago, as you are pressing him in your mischievous way. Ma . Mischievous. That is difficult to explain. I think the other thing that is unclear is they euston development. It might sound like a bit of a london story, but in fact, its very big. Anything that slows from, it the purchases that followed from that decision to have this real huge commitment, and it was a big commitment, which is why they were behind. That you saw David Cameron come out this way very angry with rishi sunak for backing off of. It you dont do a big hole on the ground, the cause of a disruption, now you change your mind. There has been such a big cost overrun, that it was known previously. And i think how the conservatives have been thinking more clearly, and they wouldve graded road to this decision. They wouldve sent out more signals earlier rather than pulling the plug in this messy way that happened last week. The whole thing was extraordinary. We were all in Manchester Last week. The idea that this, that this story was running for about 15, 16 days. They end up bungling this announcement. You have anti impromptu press conference. All this is done in an old railway station. You couldnt make it up. But in terms of the politics, i think you have his right. If that said to people look, ive looked at the costs, im making a strong choice now. Instead, its all drips and drabs and then coming out and the politics of, this is they are big attack line against him is that you are really bad person for a change in your mind. Cut to the biggest uturn. Lets be honest, the biggest flagship Infrastructure Project of the conservative administration. So i think they have completely blended this argument about you turns in flipflops. Jackie, youve had the experience of being a minister, having this come out on Sunday Morning then do this. Do you feel a bit of sympathy for mark . As you, say its his job. Yes i feel squeak of sympathy, but theyve got themselves into this mess, frankly. And lets not forget this week in liverpool, well be talking to an extent about which countries broken and how they want to build it. Theres no better sign of that if you travel the trains between the West Midlands and london, as i frequently do. Get booted off early. The trains are running late. The capacity isnt there. Whats the opportunity, decided of course under the last Labor Government, supported up to this point by this government, to actually build some of the infrastructure that other countries take for granted and we need in this country . Jackie, let me take you on to the interview. You are now the chair of a big health authority. This overtime proposal, two billion pound reform in a 200 billion pound a year budget. It feels, sorry, its one billion for the overtime. Its even less. It feels to me a bit like hes coming to a knife fight with a plastic picnic spoon. Well, you push them rightly on the challenges of workforce, which is one of the main concerns that we have in the nhs at the moment, although we have of course pushed the government on the workforce plan and put some money behind expanding the nhs workforce. But the other area that this is all focused on is absolutely the right place, which is the nhs is under invested in terms of its technology, its digital capacity, its beds to an extent. But this focus on improving the diagnostic capacity in the nhs is exactly right it completely makes sense, and we could talk forever about the prevention, but realistically, you are chair of a health authority. Are you going to be able to say to people, by the way, we have a lovely new scanning machine, the only problem is we need you to work an extra five hours a week . Of course thats a trial in. Because before even get to that point, we have to try to get control of the way things have room to gain because of the industrial action that were currently facing. I think that it they made a fair point, that we do, of course, in the nhs, have a bank system in which our staff are able to provide extra work. Hes focusing on the right area. Workforce is the challenge, but theres investment going in there as well. Could he do it . I think hes showing that he is trying to dealing with the figures, and its a bit of an elastic way, as youre suggesting. But i think what he has to start doing is looking that labor could come in do these things, but where i do think hes on to something is that even though the sharp end of it, you are nina health you can question whether this is doable. But i think is stop Speaking Generalities but the nhs to lose the kind of sacred cow around it, and start saying, here is the money, we get to put towards the workforce flexibility. Its easy to say its not enough. Its never going to be enough. But at the moment, i think whats treating is leading the argument about health care reform, and thats quite interesting, given it was really conservative issue. I do think that actually having a reasonable time on that is going to come under pressure on the figures. More chat for a little later. Coming up, im going to be speaking to Sharon Graham. Shes the boss of labors biggest union, at donor united. The problem is she doesnt seem that impressed by the labor partys leadership. Im going to keep labors feet to the fire. Of course i want to Labor Government. I absolutely want to Labor Government, of course. But i want to Labor Government thats going to make real change peoples lives. And i think, at the moment, labors been too timid. Only the sleep number climate360 smart bed lets you both sleep up to 13 degrees cooler or warmer on either side, and at your ideal level of comfort. 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