Reidout. We go to somebody. , all in with chris hayes, starts right now. Tonight on all in. The honorable jim jordan of the state of ohio has received 194. The honorable Hakeem Jeffries of the state of new york has received 210. [applause] jim jordan loses the gavel again, and drops out. Weve gone through one, two, three speakers, three speakers down. I dont to be speaker. I mentioned that name. Weve got to get our heads out of our iran. Tonight, no Speaker Of The House, and at least half a dozen new names in contention. Do you think someone in that room can get 217 votes . I hope so. As a Republican Party sinks deeper into their own mud. The crazy is led by gaetz. The amount of damage theyve done to this party into this country is insurmountable. And, brandnew trouble for the head of the party as a judge threatens to jail him while one of the fake elector architects takes a plea deal. State your two incorrect legal. Name kenneth john chesebro. A small measure of relief for one family as hamas releases to american israeli hostages, the latest on the hundreds of people still in captivity and the worsening crisis in gaza. When all in starts, right now. We good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. It is day 17, without a Speaker Of The House after the republicans unceremoniously fired Kevin Mccarthy at the beginning of the month. With the house yet again in session today weve got yet another day of abject Catastrophic Failure by the republican conference to meet the most basic minimal requirements of governance. Today began with that man, congressman jim jordan, as the speaker designate, mostly a madeup title that means the republican conference voted him to be the nominee to be speaker. But even by the standards of this already disastrous and humiliating process, Donald Trumps handpicked candidate faced tough odds. Before today he had already lost four votes for the speakership. As we told you last night, he lost the second vote by more than the first, which some reports indicate might have been a deliberate strategy from his fellow republicans in opposition to humiliate him on the largest stage possible and make it a reality that he was losing support rather than gaining it. Jordan spent most of yesterday trying to reverse that trend, but as punchbowl news reports, quote, every republican who met with jordan told him they would not back his candidacy for house speaker. And its not like jordan jordans allies were doing themselves favors, as we reported on this program they told the press they received Death Threats for not backing jordan. Those Death Threats backfired and increase throughs of of certain opponents. Close jordan ally Warren Davidson said its not team jordans fault that holdouts are getting Death Threats. They are getting the Death Threats, he said, because they voted against jordan. I dont think anyone was really disputing that, to be honest. Jordan was undeterred. He was back at it again today, trying to win the speakers gavel, starting with a Strange MeanderingPress Conference this morning that even fox news had difficulty justifying. So there is jim jordan, speakerdesignate, given a Press Conference about the status of the speakers race. Doesnt look like he has support yet, brian, and im not sure what the purpose of the Press Conference was. He took questions from the folks, but it looks like he was just trying to rally the troops. Okay. I dont know the point was. [laughter] everything that we just learned we know except that jim jordan is not quitting. It was on a 9 00 this morning, jim jordans not quitting. The only thing we knew about jim jordan today was that he was not quitting. He was going up for a third crack of becoming Speaker Of The House. Now, you will never guess what happened next. The total number of votes cast is 429, of which the honorable jim jordan of the state of ohio has received 194. The honorable Hakeem Jeffries of the state of new york has received 210. [applause] nemours its such a funny recurring bit the democrats to, and all of these votes when they have more votes in the personally when they all cheer. As you can see, jim jordan last again, and yet again he lost by an even larger margin with one of his colleagues voting against in this time than the previous time, which was more than the previous time. In fact, he got a fierce number of votes from poor majority nominee in a century. After that humiliating loss, republicans went back to one of their tents Family Meetings where they held a Secret BallotInterparty Vote to see if jordan should stay there speakerdesignate. Well, the conference decided to dump the three time loser jim jordan. It is now over. Well, i guess, for now. Who knows with this process . But for now he is done for, and the guy who created this mess is feeling the pain. The most popular republican in the United States congress was just knifed by a Secret Ballot in a private meeting in the basement of the capital. Its the sloppiest as it gets in jim jordan deserved better than that. I dont know if hes the most popular in the conference, but most republicans in the closeddoor meeting, it was matt gaetz and his aunt in mccarthy Confederate LikeSouth Carolina north carolinas nancy mace that they were mad at. Matt gaetz has very personal differences with Kevin Mccarthy. So as personal differences, not legislative differences, that led to the. As when he brought the motion when the end result is a dangerous position that were in as a country. It reminds me of how incredibly irresponsible it was for a 280 democrats any republicans to put this house into absolute chaos without any kind of a plan for how we were going to move forward. Lets be clear, nancy mace, it has been a long time since she has done anything productive to move forward this broader team. I definitely dont want to be speaker. I will mention that name. Where are we tonight . Good question. The republicans are where they started when they ditched Kevin Mccarthy more than two weeks ago. In fact, after jordans a series of massive defeats, you could argue they are even further away from electing a speaker than they were back then. Because at least after they dumped mccarthy, he is air apparent, steve scalise, became the speakerdesignate. Now scalise was sort of a natural air to the throne, but he couldnt get across the finish line either, and he didnt even try. He dropped out after a day. Jordan was quick to box him out for his own time to gavel. Honestly, i dont know what is next for republicans. There is now an open call for candidates. Theyre putting up flyers to run for a High School Student government. Theres a slip you feel out. 80 want to be speaker . Yeah, sure. If nothing else, i found, and again, i do this for a living, but ill be honest, i found its a great chance to learn about, some congressmen you may have heard before. Like this guy, Oklahoma Republican kevin heard. He told reporters today hes running for speaker. He says hes the best choice because youre not a career politician. That is true. Before getting elected in 2018 he built a hog farm, also owned mcdonalds franchises and also a company that manufactures Fuel Furniture for a fast food restaurants. How about Michigan Republican jack bergman, also running. You know jack bergman, you know him, you love him. Elected to congress in 2016 following olympic rear in mili more than two decades commercial airline pilot. After she regretted voting for Donald Trumps vented coup after january six, he told reporters, quote, hell no. And then there was the person i would guess he would call the front runnerish. That man. You know him. Right away, you get that name, minnesotas tom emmer. Despite the fact that im guessing most of you have never seen this man before in your life, he is now the third ranking republican in the house. That makes in the establishment toys for whatever that means. Heres the thing about tom emmer. He voted to certify joe bidens victory after january 6th. He voted ainst the coup. That means he is on that one red li issue, on the right side. Hes also also been mildly crical of donald trump in the past. The problem is that i think the moderate wing of the party will not be a fan of him for that reason. Thats just a little bit around up. Not even all the candidates will either declare or speculating about it. Weve got a few more new ones throwing their hat in the ring. There are so many republicans you would likely never heard of who would around the house of representatives. Theyve all gone home for the weekend now and theres an official candidate forms of the most will likely only grow from here. While i have to say dont often agree with Kevin Mccarthy i must admit it kind of hit the nail on the head. Unfortunately jim is no longer gonna be than our nominee. Well have to go back to the Drawing Board. What history will look at, the crazy eight led by gaetz, the amount of damage they have done to this party into this country is insurmountable. I have amount of damage done by a few people for their own personalities, for their own fear of whats going through. And really, its astonishing to me and were in a very bad position is a party. Joining me now is nbc news capitol hill correspondent ali vitali. Sometimes, ali, i watch something happening in politics and i think maybe im just missing what they are seeing. Maybe they have a strategy that i dont get. I guess i thought we had last for 24 hours ago, it was like, well, maybe hes got some trick up his sleeve. It doesnt look like it. What happened in that meeting after the third failed vote . Youll be forgiven for thinking there was maybe some divine plan that you werent read in on. I learned a lot during the induction but i learned that even though im paid for this, i know way too many of those obscure congressmen just by face alone. So i clearly need to get out of this building. But the fact that lawmakers went home without making any progress whatsoever i think is so striking. Jim jordan goes into this meeting this afternoon aware of the fact that he was going to put into a vote within his conference yet again. The question was simple. Should jim jordan remain the guy that we go to the floor again to vote for . People had to vote yes or no, and the nose one out. That then left them at the exact place that we have frankly been time it again, and i think the only thing that this week has taught us is that this conference is ungovernable. Completely unruly, completely factionalized. And i think they were right, last week, or maybe the week before that, when they said that they didnt know anyone in this conference who could get 217 votes. So maybe its the fact that the ten people who have their name on the list for wanting to be speaker right now, maybe its good that those people are not the most popular or the most wellknown. Because if you have 97 of the conference behind you, like mccarthy did, like scalise had, slightly less of but still had a majority of, like jim jordan had, they still dont have the number that they need to become speaker. So whats the point . Maybe you dont want to be the most popular aware or wellknown person in this conference. Thats not getting new closer to the gavel. So maybe you do need someone who is obscure and unknown. I have no idea who that person would be. Such a good point. The history last time we had Something Like this, gingrich, who had to step down in the waning years of clinton, was going to be succeeded by Bob Livingston, and it turned out Bob Livingston also had had an extramarital affair affair. Then they went to a backbencher who was fairly anonymous. Theres a whole other story about him, but thats what happened last time. Well see if we get our version of that this. Time alleviate alice, as always good to talk. To william donovans ahead of the staff of a d. C. Lobbying firm and, conference winner, and this is the Boston Bureau chief at semafor. William, youre my goto on this, when things are going completely haywire in the republican conference. What do you understand . If you are to describe what the dynamics are now, how would you describe it . First and foremost, i think you need to think about this group as a really what had been a really fractious almost coalition. Within the party this was not a cohesive unit. It began is about 200 people that were willing to go along, to get along, and about 20 people ahead issues and that was the issue that was negotiating with Kevin Mccarthy. About two thirds head objectives, policy objectives, they got that and they forged a coalition that worked for about the first nine months. Until those other guys, the other six or so blew it all up. They decided they didnt like what they got out of that. Thats what precipitated this last two or three weeks. What ali mentioned was, there was no plan here. Part of this is, it was a plan in the sense that they set up a situation where any outcome they win, matt gaetz, the spectacle is the point. It doesnt matter if he wins or loses. By losing at the hands of the swamp, by jim jordan being the marker that goes down, that butter is his bread. Thats the kind of thing that he likes. I think thats how you should think about that. Who can get to 2 17 . I think they did make some progress today. They had cauterize this wound. They had put jim jordans out of this misery. Jim jordan actually wanted to be speaker. He did everything he could to say what he had to say, and he couldnt get there. I think this turns the page. I think it is back to square one, but i think its important to have any path forward. He needed a glass of water at the end of this week because that is the 30th ive ever seen jim jordan. He definitely was trying to reach for it. To liams point, i think the Coalition Way of thinking about it is how narrow the math is, it also does seem to me that there is a deeper question here animating this, and you have written about this. What is the animating purpose here . What is the binding glue that binds this group together . Once upon a time you might say were here to repeal the Affordable Care act. Or were here to cut corporate taxes, like they do the last time around. Its very hard to come up with that answer which is a big part of the problem. Right before they got to the speaker fight, The Precipitating Incident was this looming a vermont shot down. I still cant tell you what exactly the demands were. We were a bunch of competing demands, process over substance, there wasnt one unifying cause. It wasnt even like in the obama days, like you said, where everything was about repealing obamacare or delaying its implementation or defunding it or something. This was all over the map. A lot of this is about factional groups proving that you have to listen to them. Its the power is kind of the point. So much of this jockeying was originally the House Freedom caucus trying to prove over and over again the small band of members that were remotely from them that you cant pass anything without it, you cant have a speaker without us. Were going to keep demonstrating over and over again that if you try to ignore us, if you go to the democrats, we will hit the red button the blows up this congress. But now you are seeing the opposite, which is the only way for the rest of the conference to gain any influence back, to prove that they can push the red button to. And thats how you just blew up jim jordan. Its all about power, but no substantive difference. Pressing the red button makes sense, the image of strictly game theory question of whos going to retain what leverage and what is essentially a protracted negotiation. This is a technical question that, liam, you may not know the answer to, but im sort of bizarrely fascinated with, 15 people running for speaker on monday . Is it a First Past The Post plurality . Are they going to do rank troys voting in the republican conference . [laughter] my understanding, is where nobody gets the majority, the low man drops. We are going to have to do quite a number of ballots. Who knows . You have to have a people that are obviously going to get big chunks of the votes. Some are going to get far less. When push comes to shove you might have some of these people not stand for further support to the extent that it exists behind someone else. I think after the Candidate Forum happens, after the writings on the, wall theres not a ton of point. But each member is going to have their block, whether its a regional bloc, or an ideological block, whether its jurisdictional block, that will be their base of support. The front runner for those leadership reasons, but there is reason to not be the front runner. A lot of game left to be played. To be clear, the ballot, the lowest vote dropped out, other people can drop out by their own volition. To your point about the anti by the end, thats correct. By the anti jordan, we would call that, coalition, nbc news is calling earth conservative hardliners that or have rejected him, a block of nerve new Yoer Floridians occur including the appropriations chair kay granger of texas. Amara, from my perspective, is on the right side of the defining issue. I think hes on the right side of the defining issue for the democrats in that house. Hakeem jeffries has come out and said that. Jane raskin started