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MSNBCW The July 3, 2024

Without a speaker. Many more republicans are now starting this new week by jumping into that chaotic and messy race. We have that report coming up later. Our top story is the prosecutors on offense in the trump coup cases. Jack smith has already put pressure on Defendant Trump after winning that partial gag order. Now, if youve been following the news, d. A. Willis has just won convictions on the eve of her first rico trial. Indeed, that was supposed to start today, but she won it so decisively, there is no trial. Ill explain. Two Trump Lawyers pled guilty two days ago nay row, showing new concern today that he is worrie they will testify against him and it will be damaging. He posted a new statement, which asserts, referring to Sydney Powell that she was, quote, one of millions who thought the 2020 president ial election was rigged and stolen. Thats his typo, by the way. He goes on to say, quote, ms. Powell was not my attorney and never was. That claim is false, but it is also telling. Ill show you exactly why. Here was then Rudy Giuliani introducing his cocounsel, turned codefendant, powell and ellis. This is, um, a representative of our legal team. Were representing President Trump and the trump campaign. When i finish, Sydney Powell and then jenna el its will following me. Powell and ellis, from the mouth of giuliani. You see them there. Also having a sidebar chat at many Press Conferences during the period they were trying to steal the election. Powell worked for trump. He even mused heading her to a new position, that could have helped with a military coup, which they abandoned. His efforts to muddy their links now and what she did for him is a very specific thing. It is an acknowledgement that it matters. Here is last week. How do you plead to the six counts of conspiracy to commit intentional interference with performance of Election Duties . Guilty. How do you plead to count 15, conspiracy to to file false documents . Guilty. Can you speak your try and correct name. Sydney and powell. Kenneth john chesebro. How old are you, maam . Oh, gosh. 68, despite my astonish log beautiful countenance. How far did you go in school . 62. I went through law school. Are you pleading today, because you agrees theres enough facts to support this plea of guilty . I do. Do you agree theres a factual basis that supports this remaining charge . Yes, this charge. Yes, i do. Guilty, they did it. Thats what went down in that courtroom at the end of the week, thursday, friday. Theres a lot going on, whether you follow the International News which affects so many people, including people in the United States that we have all been covering. Theres a lot going on in politics. The speakers raise, the vacancy there, Donald Trumps nominee, jim jordan, having to bow out after being rejected by republicans. Theres a lot going on. Thursday and friday those were big stories, but anyone can be forgiving for busily going on with their day and not knowing the details. But donald trump knows the details. He understand these are people who cant be dismissed legally. He can attack them publicly, literally, rhetorically, but they will be witnesses, sworn under oath, and juries will hear these people arent just saying bad things about trump. They are people who fought for trump to the very end up to their own indictment. For some jurors, that might be worth credible for other people who are critical, a witness can be at a distance, too. I saw him across the way. A Georgia Election officials who heard trumps phone calls, hes a witness, but at a distance. These people are up close. Remember, powell is also listed as coconspirator three, which showed efforts of working on briefs and legal plans, when they discussed pursuit in georgia, in pennsylvania. So hes damned if he does, damned if he doesnt, even if he lying about the fact that she he wasnt her employer. But what is The Big Picture . One, prosecutors are winning the first clashes with trump who is his aides convicted crimes to steal an american election. Thats a big deal. Trumps aides are losing. That could change. Early cases matter a lot, because they set a precedent and set up evidence, including witnesses, right . We call that testimonial evidence, that goes up the line. Thats one big thing tonight, as we start the week. Two, were seeing some of the critical cooperating witnesses come into view. Trump and the prosecutors could disagree on practically everything. Which can this out. Heres one thing they do agree on, trump and d. A. Willis. They agree that Sydney Powell matters. As a convicted criminal, veteran trump aide and cooperating witness, powell matters. She matters to prosecutors who will use her in her testimony to try to put others on trial. Its a group rico case. But trump thinking she matters, so much that hes trying to specifically make claims to distance her from him, as he has with others before him. We have seen that. Now, that brings me to point three. Some dominos are falling. If you could have predicted at the beginning who would crack first . Many would not have predicted Sydney Powell. She performed as such a true believer, even trump dubbed her, quote, crazy. But powell is the first domino. In her public vow to testify against others, maybe chesebro crack and confess. Another one cracked. Another domino fell. He would have faced her damning testimony and risked much marriager, so tonight we start a new week. Of course, The Big Question is a simple one. Sometimes its complicated, sometimes it aint that complicated. Are there more dominos . We dont know. I cant tell you, i cant prove that up yet. Its a predictive matter at this point. I can report for you that the d. A. Is building a rico case with a theory of dominos, that they want more than two. They got three total, two trump dominos, people who worked with him, and they want more. These two witnesses could be incriminaing for others linked to the coup efforts. Specifically is white house veteran mark meadows, who was getting updates from powell about her plot to, with you know can say illegally accus voting machines. It was physical vote Stealing Otheren that the broader washingtonbased coup ideas. So powell can testify about what mark meadows knew about it and whether he participated. She could also speak to his culpability and the charg h faces. Talking to a Georgia Election officials. Just as the other chesebro can testify about whether or not meadows or others participated in the elector fraud, which is now his confessed guilty portion of the plot. That is the first felony confession by any trump he puts those in writing. You can see here, the data breach convicted in the powell plot, the elector plot. I cannot fairly or journalistical tell you if theyll be convicted. But they are presumed innocent. We will see what happens. I can tell you the red arrows are the screen, in all American History, these are convicted trump coup crimes. I want to show you something else, notice im going to show you in the courtroom and in general chesebros lawyer confirms all along the big lie. The defendant created and distributed false documents to individuals in georgia and other states. Mr. Chesebro i believe. Agreed theres a factual basis that supports this remaining charge . Yes, this charge. If you asked mr. Chesebro today who won the 2020 president ial election, he would say joe biden. If you asked him. Well, who was asking . Thats not a rhetorical question, as they day. D. A. Willis team could ask him as well as the other convicts under oath about that set of activities, that couprelated crime that now convicted fraud felony. This could ask what other codefendants did. Chesebro is less well known than, say, powell, but he worked with the very well known giuliani and eastman, both of whom of not only what went down in georgia, based on the evidence there, but stretched all the way back to washington, to the coup plot. To what jim jordan, ted cruz and others hoped to do in washington. With the lies crumbling and some of these convicted lawyers for donald trump now turning states witness, The Big Question is a simple one. Sometimes the Big Questions are simple. Is this the beginning of many Dominos Falling or, against in fairness to the other defendants and the theory of the case, is this a few people cracking early, agitated to a early trial, appeared that doesnt mean well get five more dominos. Thats a big question. Not everyone is falling this super closely. Its a top story tonight, because its a big deal when the top people who worked directly for the former president of the United States admit in court, we did it. We tried to steal the election. We failed. We confess, and we now vow under oath with our liberty, law licenses and more on the line, thats basically what they said. Will dom nors fall . Neal and maya are here. Were back in one minute. Years , were back in one minute i wanted to try something that was overthecounter. I saw the prevagen commercials. After a short amount of time taking prevagen, i started noticing a difference that im remembering this, im remembering that. I stopped taking prevagen and i found myself slacking back so i jumped right back on it. I feel as if its brought me back to the good ol days. Prevagen. At stores everywhere without a prescription. Its easy to get lost in investment research. Introducing j. P. Morgan personal advisors. Hey david. Connect with an advisor to create your personalized plan. Lets find the right investments for your goals okay, great. J. P. Morgan wealth management. Your record label is taking off. But so is your sound engineer. You need to hire. I need indeed. Indeed you do. Indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. Visit indeed. Com hire were back. Welcome to both of you. Neal, this has Donald Trumps attention. He seems intent on if powell talks, whatever she says doesnt relate to the work for him. Ari, i loved your reporting in the last segment. I think it got exactly right. Fani willis is battling 100 , and doing so with two attorneys, pretty much the opposite of maya and me. These are maga attorneys who said, yet, we committed crimes. The two questions you asked, one, what is this testimony going to be like from powell and chesebro, and two, will there be more dominos to fall . The tell for me is fani willis agreed to plea deals with no jail time. You only do that if the testimony is pretty powerful and com pelt. Indeed, Sydney Powell and chesebro, who both taped their testimony in advance of the plea deal coming out, and theyre sworn not to talk about it with anyone, including members of the media, or notably, other defendants, i. E. Donald trump. Thats a good point you raise. That goes to the legal calculus, the prosecutorial strategy behind the deals we saw cut. Maya, i want to refresh peoples memory and a bit of powell talks about offthebooks meeting, powell and some of these other figures were so extreme, they almost sneak or pushed their way in, which was the context for one of the january 6th Committee Hearings that showed how potential authoritarian or wannabe authoritarian it got. Did you believe you were going to see the president . I had no idea. In fact, you did get to see the president without an appointment. We did. How much time did you have alone i say alone, you had other people with you. Right. But before the crowd came running . Probably no more than 10 or 15 minutes. In that i believe maloney set a land speed record. Shes known for the rhetorical style. That was even on display last week, but she was referring to what they were doing was so egregious, the Federalist Society inhouse lawyer was running to stop it. What do prosecutors want to show maya that powells conviction for this data breach could go back up to meadows or trump . Well, i mean, look, im going to start by saying keep me in a room with neal katyal and dont put me in a room with these other attorneys. Whats happened with their plea deals is they said, yeah, there was a shared purpose for this enterprise, this group of people who got together with one purpose and one purpose only. That was to make sure that donald trump was able to succeed in overturning the election of 2020. Thats really the premise of the Fulton County case, and both of them, to your point about this December 18th Meeting that youre referencing here, that shes discussing in that clip, this was a meeting in which they were advancing that purpose in a very pleasant meeting apparently with donald trump, until, to your point, his own other attorneys god involved and said, this is crazy. You have no evidence. In that discussion, when it was directly put to her, do you have evidence, her response was to be outraged to even by asked. To even be asked for evidence. Any lawyer knows, you dont bring a claim unless you have some facts of evident that supports it. You know, everything that we no be chesebro and powells engagement, one, they were directly engaged. They had highlevel conversations. Powell herself directly with donald trump. She was even potentially being considered to be a Special Counsel to investigate this voter fraud. That was the same Draft Executive Order they were presenting in that meeting. Its outrageous, but to your point, ari, and to neals point theres a lot of information in the public report that suggests she will have and so will chesebro, a lot of information to share. That goes directly to the white house into that meeting. Donald trump was posting statements about this. Certainly not his own pen, but im sure he has lawyers. His lawyers last week send a broad normalish statement. He also said this, take a look. [ Inaudible Question ] [ Inaudible Question ] no, not at all. We did nothing wrong. We did this is all biden, indictments, impeachments, this is all about biden. Neal . I mean, first of all, it has nothing to do with biden the biden is thoroughly insulated from this prosecution. Its done by the Special Counsel at the federal level. At the state level, its a georgia district attorney, nothing whatsoever to do with biden. But what youre seeing, bigger picture, youre seeing trump do what he always does. When he gets in trouble, he tries to have someone else hold the bag, and he abandons them, and thats what hes doing with Sydney Powell. Thats why when you were showing the picture of Dominos Falling, i think thats exactly right. If youre one of the 16 defendants, you know youre at risk of being the next Sydney Powell. Theres only one choice for you, which is to play by the law, go tell your evidence, tell what happened, tell the truth, and, you know, accept the consequences. Trump is not going to protect you. Witness a couple people start to flip, others follow. Weve seen that. Thats why we talk about whats typical. We have the dominos back on the screen, neal. You say something, the beat team, were going to respond. I can show you a domino situation, where one is so far amp from the next, in a rare case, theres a gap, but that gap is rare. So, well keep an on all of it. 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