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MSNBCW Jose July 4, 2024

It is 11 00 a. M. Eastern, 8 00 a. M. Pacific. Im jose diazbalart. Right now a federal judge in florida is holding a hearing on several key issues related to former President Trumps classified documents case, including when to start the trial. The former president is attending the hearing in fort pierce about 130 miles north of miami. Hes his remaining rival nikki haley said she thinks all his legal problems should be dealt with before the election. I think all of the cases should be dealt with before november. We need to know whats going to happen before it happen before the presidency happens, because after that, should he become president , i dont think any of it will get. Over 500 miles away, a judge will hear Closing Arguments this afternoon in a motion to disqualify Fulton County District Attorney fani willis from prosecuting the case 6r789. With us to talk more about all of this, msnbc National Correspondent Yasmin Vossoughian outside the federal courthouse in fort pierce, florida. Msnbc legal contributor katie phang in atlanta, also host of the katie phang show noon on saturdays. And msnbc Legal Correspondent lisa rubin. What has been happening so far in that classified documents case hearing . Reporter so, we know the former president is inside the courtroom right now, jose. Thats all we know. We saw him entering around 9 30 or so this morning. There is no technology, phones or computers allowed inside the courtroom. So were having to try and portion together what is actually happening inside. As soon as i get a note from the folks inside, ill relay it to you. Lets talk about what is likely to happen today. A couple of things were looking at here. A potential date for this trial to begin. The Juror Questionnaire which are handed in by both sides, the former president s attorneys and the prosecutors in this case, jack smith, and his attorneys as well, along with some of the motions especially filed by the former president. The dates proposed by jack smith is july 8th. Donald trumps Attorney Proposing August 12th saying this thing should not go on even before the election and making the argument for that. Eileen kent has indicated that that date will likely not stick because the amount of discovery that trumps attorneys are going to have to go through. When it comes to questions, i thought it was important we talk about this, there is some crossovers that were submitted when it came to the questionnaire. What Bumper Stickers do you have on your car, and then some differences between what jack smith is submitting when it comes to a Jury Questionnaire, versus what is being submitted by trumps attorneys. Trumps attorneys want to know who you voted for, for instance, in the 2020 election. Did you vote . Jack smith and his attorneys wanting to know, for instance, do you feel as if trump won the election or who won the election . And i think thats interesting because as i look around here, there is a lot of donald Trump Supporters sitting around me right now. One of the big flags says trump won, save america. So you think about that, and apply it to the jury pool right now that this trial is looking at and why that question for jack smith and his team will be pertinent. Lets talk about the dates and possible crossover here. We know, jose, judge Juan Marshawn in new york had collaboration with tanya chutkan, judge chutkan in d. C. When it came to choosing march 25th. We know the d. C. Trial is on hold waiting for a decision from the Supreme Court, the hearing, that public hearing that will go forward on april 22nd. We wonder if there is going to be collaboration between this judge Aileen Cannon and the three other judges in the other cases when the date will be set. And or will she say today because of this Immunity Motion that the former president s attorneys filed last week that now stands in front of the Supreme Court, will they indefinitely put this trial on hold until they get a decision from the Supreme Court . And if she doesnt and chooses the end of the summer, could that then push any chance of a d. C. Trial Going Forward beyond the election . Because they will interact with each other or overlap with each other. Those are some things were watching for today. And the big news that comes out of this will be the date, if a date is set for this trial, jose. So many overlapping potentially overlapping issues in florida, in d. C. , in new york. It just seems like what are the key things youre looking for from todays hearing in florida specifically . Well, jose, i think it is tempting to talk about the Jury Questionnaire and the different questions that each side wants to be asked. As yasmin noted, before we get to the question of a trial, the thing im most interested in today is whether judge cannon sets a trial date at all. Both sides were ordered to propose pretrial schedules and trial dates. And trumps team complied with that, but grudgingly, if you read the submission that they filed last night at around 6 00 p. M. They essentially say, we respect the courts order and as such, were going to tell you that we think april 12th is an appropriate day to try former President Trump and one of his codefendants, carlos de oliveira. But they then continue to give her a litany of reasons why no trial date should be scheduled in this year at all. And so it is all but an invitation for judge cannon to say, i dont think we should schedule a trial right now, in large part because the question of president ial immunity is on the table. Donald trump has moved to dismiss the indictment in the maralago documents case before judge Cannon On Grounds of president ial immunity as he did in judge chutkans case and their argument is that that not only protects the former president from liability and culpability in that case, but it should insulate him from the burdens of trial to begin with, that he shouldnt even have to go through pretrial proceedings on the account of his immunity argument. So, how does that whole immunity issue, the call for it in this florida one, now that the Supreme Court agreed to deal with it, how does that affect in any way this case or and the other one . I think it is possible that judge cannon can say she needs guidance from the Supreme Court before deciding when and if a trial is appropriate. One possibility is that we come out of todays hearing with the entire case on ice because as i just said Donald Trumps argument is that president ial immunity means he shouldnt have to participate in pretrial proceedings at all. Thats why judge chutkan, who was desirous of Going Forward, stayed her case because there was case law in her circuit that said while president ial immunity was on appeal, it wasnt appropriate to force the former president to go through those pretrial proceedings. If judge cannon sets a trial date at all, ill be surprised and looking to see whether that leaves any room for judge chutkan to try her case before the election, should the Supreme Court side with judge chutkan in the d. C. Circuit, jose. Lets turn our focus from fort pierce to atlanta. What can we expect from todays Closing Arguments in georgia . Reporter youre going to hear from the state and the defense. The biggest question is whether or not judge mcafee is already going into the arguments today, with his mind leading one way or another, in terms of whether or not the burden has been met by the defense to disqualify District Attorney fani willis in georgia. There has to be an actual interest, it cannot be speculative or theoretical. The case should have been Folk Ousing On Whether or not there was a financial benefit to fani willis because her boyfriend nathan wade was appointed prosecutor. Terrence bradley ceding more than 400 Text Messages to a Defense Attorney on The Other Side, ashley merchant, she represents michael roman. As a result of the Text Messages, roman is the one who filed the motion to disqualify fani willis, and now were going into the area of what is perjury committed by wade and willis when they swore under oath that their relationship began after wade was appointed Special Prosecutor. There should be about 15 minutes apportioned for these oral arguments. Remember, there is several defendants on the side of the defense. So judge mcafee will afford them the opportunity to be heard. But there is also the issue of nathan wades Cell Phone Records, they were pulled by steve sadow, the lawyer for donald trump. Their admissibility will be addressed today. The Cell Phone Records according to the defense indicating that wade and willis spent time that suggests there was more going on other than just friendship. Both have testified under oath that, yes, wade went to willis condo during that period of time and more importantly, no, Nothing Happened and i think really at the end of the day, judge mcafee has only the ability to rely on the evidence that has been submitted, expecting Written Ruling, jose, do not expect him to rule from the bench today. I would say anywhere from a week to two weeks to afford the judge the opportunity to assess all of the evidence and then issue a Written Ruling in this case. So, lisa, what could that ruling be . What are the options that the judge is going to be weighing . What are the possible outcomes we could be seeing . Lets start with the first one, jose. Katie mentioned that there is some evidence that both sides would like to bring to judge mcafees attention, even though evidence has really already closed. There are these Cell Phone Records and Cell Phone Location Data that steve sadow wants to admit. If judge mcafee decides those are appropriate to look at, we might be looking at a little bit longer period of time before he makes an eventual decision. But eventually he will come to a decision that either fani willis needs to be disqualified because there is a Conflict Of Interest here, or there isnt. I tend to believe that even if there is a problem with fani willis and nathan wades veracity there that there isnt a disqualifying interest here. Where it leaves us is the case would likely stay with the Fulton Countys d. A. Office, but if he finds that they were not credible and that they lied on the stand, the consequences for them personally would be ethical ones and ones that would be referred to at least the Georgia State bar and they may have problems beyond that too. So we may end up with a d. A. s office that retains the case, and a d. A. And her Special Prosecutor that have individual problems that go far beyond this case, jose. And, katie, things changed when that affidavit was submitted. Reporter nathan wade submitted an affidavit in support of the states opposition to this motion to disqualify. But the affidavit in and of itself, you know, was corroborated by wades sworn testimony. And that really kind of bears some essence. They are members of the Georgia State bar. When you heard judge mcafee and assessing the credibility of all these witnesses, you ask yourself what is the motivation to lie . There is uncontriverted evidence that they are no longer dating. I think the defense seized on the opportunity to dive into the salaciousness of somebodys personal life because they think thats going to be enough to disqualify fani willis. But judge mcafee is new to the bench, but not new to the law. If he looks at just the evidence thus far, in my opinion, it is not enough to disqualify her. Yasmin vossoughian, katie phang and lisa rubin, thank you very much for being with us this morning. Coming up, Global Leaders condemn a deadly incident in gaza as more than 100 palestinians were killed waiting for food trucks. Well ask an idf spokesman how this could have happened. Plus, mourners risk their lives to attend the funeral of a top putin critic Aleei Navalny. And duelling trips to the Southern Border. Well talk to former texas congressman beto orourke and get his take on the visits. Were back in 60 seconds. Youre watching jose diazbalart reports. Youre watching jose diazbalart reports. Power e trades awardwinning trading app makes trading easier. 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This morning, World Leaders were condemning thursdays deadly incident that according to palestinian officials left more than 100 people dead in gaza city as they waited for humanitarian aid. The secretarygeneral of the United Nations and the president of france are calling for an independent investigation. In the wake of that incident, the Biden Administration is attempting to salvage a potential ceasefire deal according to multiple u. S. Officials, but privately there is growing concern in the white house that the deal could stall. Joining us from tel aviv is nbcs raf sanchez. Thank you. What more are you learning about what happened yesterday . Reporter well, palestinian Officials Say nearly 200 people were killed across gaza yesterday. The vast majority of them in that single bloody incident in gaza city where Israeli Forces allegedly opened fire on a crowd of people, waiting at an aid distribution point. That is an accusation israel denies. This morning, more fallout after the deadly incident in gaza, where dozens of palestinians were killed waiting for food trucks. Our cameras were there shortly before 4 00 a. M. , as crowds gathered in gaza city, hoping for a single bag of flour. What happened next is in dispute. A Palestinian Eyewitness tells nbc news Israeli Forces opened fire at the crowd before the trucks arrived. In this video from the scene, gunfire can be heard. More than 100 people were killed and 700 wounded according to the Health Ministry in hamasrun gaza. Hospitals flooded with gunshot victims. We went to get food and flour, and they started shooting us, this man says. Israel telling a different story, saying many were killed in a stampede near the trucks as people surged around the aid, as seen in this drone footage. They say their forces only opened fire later, at a specific group that was moving toward troops in a threatening way. Do you have any evidence to support this claim that this crowd posed a threat to israeli troops. If you approach armed soldiers in a war zone and there is a threat and they fire Warning Shots in the air, best thing do is to turn around and walk away. Reporter it is not clear how they were killed. Gaza residents have been desperate for food. The u. N. Warning of famine. Including for children like musa, at 6 months, hes barely older than this war. Doctors say eight other children have died of malnourishment this week at this hospital alone. A u. S. Official says the administration is considering dropping aid by air, a tactic used this week used by jordan. The white house growing increasingly concerned about the and President Biden says yesterdays killing will only complicate what is already a complicated effort to reach a ceasefire deal, a deal he says is no longer likely by monday. Jose, earlier today we saw families of some of those israeli hostages gathering outside a u. S. Embassy building here in tel aviv, urging the administration to keep putting pressure on the Israeli Government to go back to the Negotiating Table and to make a deal. Jose . Raf sanchez in tel aviv, thank you very much. Joining us now is Lieutenant Colonel richard heck, spokesperson for the Israeli Defense f

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