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Nominee. How it could influence the race to replace the republican leader. And the record busting billions that president ial campaigns will pour into buying a mountain of negative ads. Can all that money buy a winning message or is it just so much white noise . Msnbc chief political analyst chuck todd will join me to talk about that, and why it may takes weeks to get an answer. We start with today, the official start of the rematch most voters say they didnt want. Joe biden versus donald trump, an unprecedented race in extraordinary ways. To candidates, older than any in history, both extremely wellknown yet deeply disliked facing a polarized electorate and toxic political climate, and yet they have essentially cemented their partys nominations even before they have the delegates to make it official. Trump is now the presumptive nominee, after this morning nikki haley suspended her
Campaign Congratulating
but not endorsing trump with a warning that seemed to directly target him. Our congress is functional and only getting worse. It is filled with followers, not leaders. Standing by our allies in ukraine, israel, and taiwan is a moral imperative, but its also more than that. If we retreat further, there will be more war, not less. We must bind together as americans. We must turn away from the darkness of hatred and division. But its a suggestion that seems unlikely to land in a campaign where trump has been leading with fear, including in his aggressive
Super Tuesday
victory speech last night. Were a third world country, and our elections, and we have to stop that. Our cities are choking to death, our states are dying, and frankly, our country is dying. Right now our country is known as a joke. Its a joke. Were expecting a very different vision of america from president bidens
State Of The Union
speech tomorrow, a huge opportunity to reset a campaign thats been struggling to find an effective message and convince voters he has the energy and the vision to continue to lead. So weve got lots to get to. I want to start with
Garrett Haake
in south florida. Trump put out a message saying he wanted to invite haley supporters to join his movement, while at the same time trashing her and her voters as radical left democrats. So is that whats passing for outreach in 2024 trump world . Reporter it looks like thats going to be the case, chris. Donald trumps been all over the map when it comes to nikki haley and her supporters. Hes also suggested that they should be banned from maga if they were still donating to nikki haley as recently as a few weeks ago, but even going back farther than that, back to
New Hampshire
, it was clear trumpner never had a solid strategy for how to convince softer republicans, who are doubtful about him to get back in the camp. I tried to ask him about this on
New Hampshire
primary day and his answer there was instructive for where we are now. Listen to what he told me. Youve talked about trying to unify the party. How do you bring these nikki haley voters, some of whom voted for you in 2020 but say they dont want to now. Theyll all vote for me. They can all vote for me again, everybody, and im not sure we need too many. Im not sure. I think that biden is the worst president in the history of this country, but were going to all come back. Theyre all coming back, and i think you see that. Reporter chris, the part of the answer from donald trump there thats consistent with what his campaign is telling me now is the joe biden portion of that answer. Its very clear that the
Trump Campaign
strategy here is going to involve a biden push. They essentially think that they need the biden economy or voters who are more concerned about joe biden to push those voters back into the
Donald Trumps
camp. They have not demonstrated any affirmative strategy to kind of pull them in proactively, at least as we stand here today just hours after haley suspended her campaign. Garrett haake, thank you so much for that. Let me bring in
Nbc News National Political
correspondent
Steve Kornacki
at the big board, tim miller served as
Communications Director
for jeb bushs 2016 campaign and hes host of the
Bulwark Podcast
and joins me on set. Okay, were already starting to see the dominos fall. Mitch mcconnell coming out earlier today, endorsing donald trump, someone who has ripped both he and his wife pretty much to shreds. Do you think either trump or biden can claim real momentum coming out of last night . Theyre both the nominees now. Donald trump, look, i think theres a lot of reason to talk about the holes in the donald trump coalition, and im happy to talk about them. Go ahead. He won every primary except for vermont and washington, d. C. It was an unprecedented performance by him. I think that democrats need to recognize that the threat here is real and there is a strong minority, but its a small minority that voted for nikki haley over these in these states. You look at a place like
North Carolina
. 23 . North carolina could be a swing state. So if half of that 23 do we think thats small . 23 . I mean, yeah, if only half of those people are open to voting against trump, now were down to 11, maybe some of those people are democrats and independents. So look, i think that there is obviously resistance out there. I think that joe biden recognizes that these are key swing voters for him. I like the fact that joe biden put out a gracious welcoming statement saying to nikki haley supporters, we agree on ukraine. We agree on democracy. We agree on the rule of law, we agree on nato. I noticed that nikki haleys spokesperson olivia sent out a tweet that said a tale of two statements, comparing
Donald Trumps
ungracious attack on her. I think theres potential green shoots for the biden folks. Theyre going to have to work for it. Its hard for me to get too excited when i find it completely insane that donald trump has won all but two primaries, despite the the fact that he provoked an attack on our capitol three years ago, that seven republicans voted to convict him and ban him from ever running again. Seven republican senators and here we are. Theres some concerns, no doubt, but thats pretty depressing to me. Which brings me to steve cor kornacki, the point youre making, donald trump, 1,059 delegates versus haleys 93. This was not ever really a contest. Yeah, i mean, look, going into last night, i think there were some places we were looking to see haley had gotten 40 in south carolina, 43 in
New Hampshire
. Demographically there were places colorado is a perfect example here, affluent suburbs of denver, high concentrations of college degrees, groups shes been doing really with. You thought she might be competitive in colorado. Even there it was two to one. There was some wind in haleys sails in those two standalone states. Once this shifted to michigan and beyond, some of that just came out. I think thats what you see across the board here and i think picking up on what tim said there, in terms of the general election here and how the
Trump Campaign
,
Biden Campaign
for that matter is thinking about these haley votes, you know, i think, again, take a look at virginia. About a third of the vote in virginia, this is one of her best states last night. You see in the exit polls two types of voters that i think make up the core of the haley vote. There is a big chunk, theres a very significant chunk of her voters who say they are willing to vote for
Donald Trump In November
. Theres also a chunk of voters who say they arent, but in these exit polls were finding, theres a key question we asked in the exit polling, we asked do you approve or disapprove of joe bidens performance as president , his job approval number. When you poll just
Republican Voters
, it comes back at 3 . And were seeing in the exit polls in the states we did, haleys voters were giving biden like a 50 job approval rating. I think between haley voters who are ultimately willing to go to trump and haley voters who i think frankly under the rules of these primaries, theyre open primaries, allow independents and democrats, i think there were a lot of biden voters who do not like donald trump, who didnt vote for donald trump in 2020, and wont this fall coming in and voting for haley and vot there, its very difficult to quantify, but there are some voters out there im sure who are for haley, maybe were previously for trump and perhaps theres talk there in his campaign, do you try to get those voters and how do you get those voters. I think its a smaller number in the overall scheme of things. The other reason i say that, we have
Polling Evidence
here, let me call it right up here. Over the last few days weve had four
National Polls
coming out showing small leads for donald trump. Whats interesting in those polls, you ask republicans in a trump biden matchup, who are you supporting. In these polls, 91, 6, 92, 5, this is trumps hair with republicans. What did he get among republicans in 2020 . 94 . What did he get among republicans in 2016 . 92 . His support in the general election polls among republicans really isnt showing any slack. So again, i think theres im sure theres an issue here with chunk of haleys voters who are gettable for trump. In a close election, close general election that can matter a lot, but in the context of what were seeing in the general election, the one who has the issue right now with the base is more biden than trump. This is from the
New York Times
poll. They asked folks, you voted for trump in 2020, are you still with donald trump . 97 of his 2020 voters say theyre still with him. Ask bidens 2020 voters are you still with biden . The number is 85 there. At least right now in the general election polls, its trump whos taking more from bidens voters than biden whos taking from trumps voters. Theres a bigger context to that slack trump might have from the prohaley side of the republican base. There are gains at least in the polling that hes making elsewhere that are offsetting whatever is there. The polling doesnt give us answers. It poses and it clarifies questions, and i think these are some of the questions we need to be asking and monitoring over the next few months here about the voters from the biden 2020 coalition who are now lining up with trump or not lining up with biden. What is behind it . Who are they, and does that shift during the course of the campaign . Steve kornacki, youve given us a lot to think about. Thank you so much and thank you for your 48 straight hours of coverage. I want to bring in ali vitali, she is following nikki haley from daniel island, south carolina. I always was shocked when i saw you here in new york, actually. A lot of people are saying what does nikki haley do now . I dont think she gave us a definitive answer, obviously, this morning. I took away some clues if donald trump wants her endorsement, she does not seem easily inclined to do it. Maybe the bigger
Question Listening
to steve is how many of her voters would be influenced by what she has to say. Reporter yeah, chris, sometimes they let me back in the building that you call the office. Maybe after this campaign since its over, they will again. But look, i think there are a lot of different clues to be heard in haleys remarks. The fact that she called herself a conservative republican, and always votes for the partys nominee, and did not endorse not just the former president , not just the likely nominee, but her former boss. That is something that underscores what haley has said over the last few weekswhich is that shes concerned about trumps electability this a general election. She is concerned about his
Mental Fitness
and his acuity, and she is concerned about his moral fiber domestically, but especially on the world stage. There was also the what she said and the how she said it. You know that i always love to dig into what it means to be a woman running for any office, but of course the presidency. Haley notched some historic bench marks over the course of her candidacy. The first republican woman to win any republican primary ever. That is of course something that will be a legacy of her campaign. But then theres also the how she dropped out, and the
Barbara Lee Family Foundation
always has research in this space that i turn to and is specifically instructive here. The first is that voters want someone like haley to drop out and look magnanimous in doing it. The fact that she wished trump well, even if she didnt go as far as endorsing him is important. And then theres also the way that she conceded, and they have polling that says a candidate who concedes with a forwardlooking message, who frames her loss as a launch to talk about continuing the fight, working together, making progress for the community, is more likely to leave voters with a positive impression of her candidacy. That tracks for the way that women run as well as the way that they drop out of races, chris. You always have to be talking on behalf of the community, as opposed to with ones own ambition front of mind. We hear it with hillary clinton,
Elizabeth Warren
who i was covering four years ago today as she left the race. Its instructive as we chart the path forward for female leadership as well. Haley is one singular candidate and certainly her role as they figure out what the
Republican Party
looks like
Going Forward
is going to be significant. The fact that she says shes going to keep using her voice tracks with what
Research Shows
us about how voters want to respond and will respond positively to female candidates in the aftermath of their candidacy. All of that is really instructive for what haley could do next. Ive got to be honest with you, in my conversations with allies and now former staffers, they keep using words like they were in a righteous fight. They did something just, and i think theyre talking about the future of a party that really does have a split screen in front of them, one we often talk about. Its clear that many of those voters in the
Republican Party
now are saying lets remake our partys image in that of trump. We have been fortunate to have your energy and your smarts on the
Campaign Trail
with nikki haley. Thank you for that. Thank you. I want to read, tim, if i can from an article in the
Washington Post
today. I mentioned at the top how this is expected to be the nastiest, we say that a lot, at least in the last couple cycles, but the nastiest campaign. Quote, for both trump and biden, the formula for winning support from voters unhappy with their choice will be to make the other candidate even more unacceptable, hence the prospect of a relentlessly negative campaign for months it used to be, remember the olden days, if youre going to turn negative you have to wait until the end. Labor day maybe. What are you seeing . Im not sure the people are ready for just how negative this is going to be. I need to put on my hyperbole hat. Youve already seen trump put out i saw a video on tiktok that the trump folks put out that was like joe biden stumbling into a senior center, right . They are going to go low and low and lower, and they are going to use every gaffe possible. Theyre going to go after hunter. Theyre going to go after his family. I think that the
Biden Campaign
is ready to push back and be aggressive. Weve seen some aggression from biden in the last couple of days, and we saw a story on axios on how theyre planning on going negative and they think trump is mentally weak and they struggle to respond to that. I hope they do that. Youre in a
Mud Wrestling
match with a pig here, and like they are going to get a lot of mud on them, and i just it is just not within the constitution of a joe biden staffer or joe biden to level the types of attacks that trump is willing to, you know, when it comes to these personal attacks on family, character, age, et cetera. And so thats something that worries me looking forward. And if it escalates more, and i dont know how it could escalate more or how its received. We have some
Breaking News
,
Dean Phillips
, the former congressman who was running on the democratic side, i did a quick google. I was trying to find how many votes he got. I wasnt able to do that quickly. A lot of people frankly may not even know that he was running but what does it say hes out now, nikki haleys out. This is so early. I interviewed
Dean Phillips
a couple of weeks ago. At that time he was talking about going through the convention. I think hes really convinced that biden is very weak. His candidacy didnt take off. We were going back and forth, i kept saying to him, stop
Attacking Biden
and attack trump. I do think maybe the democrats could have hypothetically been open to another candidate that demonstrate that had they would have been a stronger opponent to trump. Or maybe he could have been a voice in the way nikki haley was a voice. Exactly. Of going after trump. Instead he was focusing his attacks on biden. It just never broke through. Hopefully now that he suspended his campaign. Hes a democratic congressman, he will get on board with biden and take those attacks back to trump. Haley, i was listening to that segment where they say oh, hes in a righteous fight. When i listened to her statement today, i heard something different. I heard her say that trump could earn back the support of her voters. Really . What could he do . We know who donald trump is. Donald trumps not going to change. Its not like tomorrow hes going to wake up and say i love nato and im going to be a nice person now. We know who donald trump is. Weve seen him for ten years now, longer for people who are in new york. And so i dont to me that was her leaving the door open for saying, oh, you know,
Campaign Congratulating<\/a> but not endorsing trump with a warning that seemed to directly target him. Our congress is functional and only getting worse. It is filled with followers, not leaders. Standing by our allies in ukraine, israel, and taiwan is a moral imperative, but its also more than that. If we retreat further, there will be more war, not less. We must bind together as americans. We must turn away from the darkness of hatred and division. But its a suggestion that seems unlikely to land in a campaign where trump has been leading with fear, including in his aggressive
Super Tuesday<\/a> victory speech last night. Were a third world country, and our elections, and we have to stop that. Our cities are choking to death, our states are dying, and frankly, our country is dying. Right now our country is known as a joke. Its a joke. Were expecting a very different vision of america from president bidens
State Of The Union<\/a> speech tomorrow, a huge opportunity to reset a campaign thats been struggling to find an effective message and convince voters he has the energy and the vision to continue to lead. So weve got lots to get to. I want to start with
Garrett Haake<\/a> in south florida. Trump put out a message saying he wanted to invite haley supporters to join his movement, while at the same time trashing her and her voters as radical left democrats. So is that whats passing for outreach in 2024 trump world . Reporter it looks like thats going to be the case, chris. Donald trumps been all over the map when it comes to nikki haley and her supporters. Hes also suggested that they should be banned from maga if they were still donating to nikki haley as recently as a few weeks ago, but even going back farther than that, back to
New Hampshire<\/a>, it was clear trumpner never had a solid strategy for how to convince softer republicans, who are doubtful about him to get back in the camp. I tried to ask him about this on
New Hampshire<\/a> primary day and his answer there was instructive for where we are now. Listen to what he told me. Youve talked about trying to unify the party. How do you bring these nikki haley voters, some of whom voted for you in 2020 but say they dont want to now. Theyll all vote for me. They can all vote for me again, everybody, and im not sure we need too many. Im not sure. I think that biden is the worst president in the history of this country, but were going to all come back. Theyre all coming back, and i think you see that. Reporter chris, the part of the answer from donald trump there thats consistent with what his campaign is telling me now is the joe biden portion of that answer. Its very clear that the
Trump Campaign<\/a> strategy here is going to involve a biden push. They essentially think that they need the biden economy or voters who are more concerned about joe biden to push those voters back into the
Donald Trumps<\/a> camp. They have not demonstrated any affirmative strategy to kind of pull them in proactively, at least as we stand here today just hours after haley suspended her campaign. Garrett haake, thank you so much for that. Let me bring in
Nbc News National Political<\/a> correspondent
Steve Kornacki<\/a> at the big board, tim miller served as
Communications Director<\/a> for jeb bushs 2016 campaign and hes host of the
Bulwark Podcast<\/a> and joins me on set. Okay, were already starting to see the dominos fall. Mitch mcconnell coming out earlier today, endorsing donald trump, someone who has ripped both he and his wife pretty much to shreds. Do you think either trump or biden can claim real momentum coming out of last night . Theyre both the nominees now. Donald trump, look, i think theres a lot of reason to talk about the holes in the donald trump coalition, and im happy to talk about them. Go ahead. He won every primary except for vermont and washington, d. C. It was an unprecedented performance by him. I think that democrats need to recognize that the threat here is real and there is a strong minority, but its a small minority that voted for nikki haley over these in these states. You look at a place like
North Carolina<\/a>. 23 . North carolina could be a swing state. So if half of that 23 do we think thats small . 23 . I mean, yeah, if only half of those people are open to voting against trump, now were down to 11, maybe some of those people are democrats and independents. So look, i think that there is obviously resistance out there. I think that joe biden recognizes that these are key swing voters for him. I like the fact that joe biden put out a gracious welcoming statement saying to nikki haley supporters, we agree on ukraine. We agree on democracy. We agree on the rule of law, we agree on nato. I noticed that nikki haleys spokesperson olivia sent out a tweet that said a tale of two statements, comparing
Donald Trumps<\/a> ungracious attack on her. I think theres potential green shoots for the biden folks. Theyre going to have to work for it. Its hard for me to get too excited when i find it completely insane that donald trump has won all but two primaries, despite the the fact that he provoked an attack on our capitol three years ago, that seven republicans voted to convict him and ban him from ever running again. Seven republican senators and here we are. Theres some concerns, no doubt, but thats pretty depressing to me. Which brings me to steve cor kornacki, the point youre making, donald trump, 1,059 delegates versus haleys 93. This was not ever really a contest. Yeah, i mean, look, going into last night, i think there were some places we were looking to see haley had gotten 40 in south carolina, 43 in
New Hampshire<\/a>. Demographically there were places colorado is a perfect example here, affluent suburbs of denver, high concentrations of college degrees, groups shes been doing really with. You thought she might be competitive in colorado. Even there it was two to one. There was some wind in haleys sails in those two standalone states. Once this shifted to michigan and beyond, some of that just came out. I think thats what you see across the board here and i think picking up on what tim said there, in terms of the general election here and how the
Trump Campaign<\/a>,
Biden Campaign<\/a> for that matter is thinking about these haley votes, you know, i think, again, take a look at virginia. About a third of the vote in virginia, this is one of her best states last night. You see in the exit polls two types of voters that i think make up the core of the haley vote. There is a big chunk, theres a very significant chunk of her voters who say they are willing to vote for
Donald Trump In November<\/a>. Theres also a chunk of voters who say they arent, but in these exit polls were finding, theres a key question we asked in the exit polling, we asked do you approve or disapprove of joe bidens performance as president , his job approval number. When you poll just
Republican Voters<\/a>, it comes back at 3 . And were seeing in the exit polls in the states we did, haleys voters were giving biden like a 50 job approval rating. I think between haley voters who are ultimately willing to go to trump and haley voters who i think frankly under the rules of these primaries, theyre open primaries, allow independents and democrats, i think there were a lot of biden voters who do not like donald trump, who didnt vote for donald trump in 2020, and wont this fall coming in and voting for haley and vot there, its very difficult to quantify, but there are some voters out there im sure who are for haley, maybe were previously for trump and perhaps theres talk there in his campaign, do you try to get those voters and how do you get those voters. I think its a smaller number in the overall scheme of things. The other reason i say that, we have
Polling Evidence<\/a> here, let me call it right up here. Over the last few days weve had four
National Polls<\/a> coming out showing small leads for donald trump. Whats interesting in those polls, you ask republicans in a trump biden matchup, who are you supporting. In these polls, 91, 6, 92, 5, this is trumps hair with republicans. What did he get among republicans in 2020 . 94 . What did he get among republicans in 2016 . 92 . His support in the general election polls among republicans really isnt showing any slack. So again, i think theres im sure theres an issue here with chunk of haleys voters who are gettable for trump. In a close election, close general election that can matter a lot, but in the context of what were seeing in the general election, the one who has the issue right now with the base is more biden than trump. This is from the
New York Times<\/a> poll. They asked folks, you voted for trump in 2020, are you still with donald trump . 97 of his 2020 voters say theyre still with him. Ask bidens 2020 voters are you still with biden . The number is 85 there. At least right now in the general election polls, its trump whos taking more from bidens voters than biden whos taking from trumps voters. Theres a bigger context to that slack trump might have from the prohaley side of the republican base. There are gains at least in the polling that hes making elsewhere that are offsetting whatever is there. The polling doesnt give us answers. It poses and it clarifies questions, and i think these are some of the questions we need to be asking and monitoring over the next few months here about the voters from the biden 2020 coalition who are now lining up with trump or not lining up with biden. What is behind it . Who are they, and does that shift during the course of the campaign . Steve kornacki, youve given us a lot to think about. Thank you so much and thank you for your 48 straight hours of coverage. I want to bring in ali vitali, she is following nikki haley from daniel island, south carolina. I always was shocked when i saw you here in new york, actually. A lot of people are saying what does nikki haley do now . I dont think she gave us a definitive answer, obviously, this morning. I took away some clues if donald trump wants her endorsement, she does not seem easily inclined to do it. Maybe the bigger
Question Listening<\/a> to steve is how many of her voters would be influenced by what she has to say. Reporter yeah, chris, sometimes they let me back in the building that you call the office. Maybe after this campaign since its over, they will again. But look, i think there are a lot of different clues to be heard in haleys remarks. The fact that she called herself a conservative republican, and always votes for the partys nominee, and did not endorse not just the former president , not just the likely nominee, but her former boss. That is something that underscores what haley has said over the last few weekswhich is that shes concerned about trumps electability this a general election. She is concerned about his
Mental Fitness<\/a> and his acuity, and she is concerned about his moral fiber domestically, but especially on the world stage. There was also the what she said and the how she said it. You know that i always love to dig into what it means to be a woman running for any office, but of course the presidency. Haley notched some historic bench marks over the course of her candidacy. The first republican woman to win any republican primary ever. That is of course something that will be a legacy of her campaign. But then theres also the how she dropped out, and the
Barbara Lee Family Foundation<\/a> always has research in this space that i turn to and is specifically instructive here. The first is that voters want someone like haley to drop out and look magnanimous in doing it. The fact that she wished trump well, even if she didnt go as far as endorsing him is important. And then theres also the way that she conceded, and they have polling that says a candidate who concedes with a forwardlooking message, who frames her loss as a launch to talk about continuing the fight, working together, making progress for the community, is more likely to leave voters with a positive impression of her candidacy. That tracks for the way that women run as well as the way that they drop out of races, chris. You always have to be talking on behalf of the community, as opposed to with ones own ambition front of mind. We hear it with hillary clinton,
Elizabeth Warren<\/a> who i was covering four years ago today as she left the race. Its instructive as we chart the path forward for female leadership as well. Haley is one singular candidate and certainly her role as they figure out what the
Republican Party<\/a> looks like
Going Forward<\/a> is going to be significant. The fact that she says shes going to keep using her voice tracks with what
Research Shows<\/a> us about how voters want to respond and will respond positively to female candidates in the aftermath of their candidacy. All of that is really instructive for what haley could do next. Ive got to be honest with you, in my conversations with allies and now former staffers, they keep using words like they were in a righteous fight. They did something just, and i think theyre talking about the future of a party that really does have a split screen in front of them, one we often talk about. Its clear that many of those voters in the
Republican Party<\/a> now are saying lets remake our partys image in that of trump. We have been fortunate to have your energy and your smarts on the
Campaign Trail<\/a> with nikki haley. Thank you for that. Thank you. I want to read, tim, if i can from an article in the
Washington Post<\/a> today. I mentioned at the top how this is expected to be the nastiest, we say that a lot, at least in the last couple cycles, but the nastiest campaign. Quote, for both trump and biden, the formula for winning support from voters unhappy with their choice will be to make the other candidate even more unacceptable, hence the prospect of a relentlessly negative campaign for months it used to be, remember the olden days, if youre going to turn negative you have to wait until the end. Labor day maybe. What are you seeing . Im not sure the people are ready for just how negative this is going to be. I need to put on my hyperbole hat. Youve already seen trump put out i saw a video on tiktok that the trump folks put out that was like joe biden stumbling into a senior center, right . They are going to go low and low and lower, and they are going to use every gaffe possible. Theyre going to go after hunter. Theyre going to go after his family. I think that the
Biden Campaign<\/a> is ready to push back and be aggressive. Weve seen some aggression from biden in the last couple of days, and we saw a story on axios on how theyre planning on going negative and they think trump is mentally weak and they struggle to respond to that. I hope they do that. Youre in a
Mud Wrestling<\/a> match with a pig here, and like they are going to get a lot of mud on them, and i just it is just not within the constitution of a joe biden staffer or joe biden to level the types of attacks that trump is willing to, you know, when it comes to these personal attacks on family, character, age, et cetera. And so thats something that worries me looking forward. And if it escalates more, and i dont know how it could escalate more or how its received. We have some
Breaking News<\/a>,
Dean Phillips<\/a>, the former congressman who was running on the democratic side, i did a quick google. I was trying to find how many votes he got. I wasnt able to do that quickly. A lot of people frankly may not even know that he was running but what does it say hes out now, nikki haleys out. This is so early. I interviewed
Dean Phillips<\/a> a couple of weeks ago. At that time he was talking about going through the convention. I think hes really convinced that biden is very weak. His candidacy didnt take off. We were going back and forth, i kept saying to him, stop
Attacking Biden<\/a> and attack trump. I do think maybe the democrats could have hypothetically been open to another candidate that demonstrate that had they would have been a stronger opponent to trump. Or maybe he could have been a voice in the way nikki haley was a voice. Exactly. Of going after trump. Instead he was focusing his attacks on biden. It just never broke through. Hopefully now that he suspended his campaign. Hes a democratic congressman, he will get on board with biden and take those attacks back to trump. Haley, i was listening to that segment where they say oh, hes in a righteous fight. When i listened to her statement today, i heard something different. I heard her say that trump could earn back the support of her voters. Really . What could he do . We know who donald trump is. Donald trumps not going to change. Its not like tomorrow hes going to wake up and say i love nato and im going to be a nice person now. We know who donald trump is. Weve seen him for ten years now, longer for people who are in new york. And so i dont to me that was her leaving the door open for saying, oh, you know,
Donald Trumps<\/a> turned over a new leaf and hes earned it because he made this concession. I worry about that. Thats what i heard, and i hope that the friends that alis talking to say its a righteous fight as well. It would be nice to have
Dean Phillips<\/a> and nikki haley and everybody messaging. And my crack political staff just told me in minnesota his home tate,
Dean Phillips<\/a> got 19,800 votes, third after joe biden and uncommitted. Not a good performance. No. Thank you so much. I love having you here. In 60 seconds, the race is now on for nikki haleys supporters, a donor for her campaign will join us live next. R for her cam join us live next. Tech cracked windshield . Make it easy and schedule with safelite, because you can track us and see exactly when well be there. Woman i have a few more minutes. Lets go tech vo thats service that fits your schedule. Go to safelite. Com. Singers safelite repair, safelite replace. With nurtec odt, i can treat a migraine when it strikes and prevent migraine attacks, all in one. Dont take if allergic to nurtec. Allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. Most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. Ask about nurtec odt. Gwen hi, weve both got a big birthday coming up. Nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. So we have a lot of questions about medicare plans. Anne weve got a lot of answers. How can i help . Fran well for starters, do you include
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Benefit Options<\/a> to help find the right plan for you. The scramble is on for nikki haleys supporters, but the now former president ial candidate isnt on board yet and urging her followers to be the same. It is now up to donald trump to earn the votes of those in our party and beyond it who did not support him, and i hope he does that. At its best politics is about bringing people into your cause, not turning them away. Well, today both donald trump and joe biden maybe no surprise, issued a statement asking for haleys voters to move over to them, a
Critical Group<\/a> to follow especially in the six
Battleground States<\/a> likely to determine the election. Joining us now eric levine who is a nikki haley donor, and back with us, tim miller. I think you told
Associated Press<\/a> last month, eric, that you plan to support haley up to the convention adding and this is a quote were not prepared to fold our tents and pray at the altar of donald trump, so what do you and other people who really supported nikki haley do now . So im from the reagan wing of the party. The one thing thats not going to happen is im not going to support joe biden. The world is on fire. The catastrophic surrender from afghanistan, the unforgivable appeasement of iran, the separating of the
United States<\/a> from supporting israel. These are horrible things. L the spike and explosion of antisemitism on the left, as an american jew i cant possible vote donald trump. So donald trump pull out of nato, support putin. Charlottesville. Charlottesville, if you play the entire clip this is terrible, always put us in the context of having to support and defend donald trump, if you play the entire clip of charlottesville and not excerpt it, donald trump was clearly talking about people who wanted to take down the statues. Not so lets not get sidetracked to that. Joe biden also called me a semifascist, whatever that is, and he also accused georgia of jim crow 2 when they passed their election laws. Lets not pretend joe biden is some nice guy. Hes not. We havent attempted a coup, so theyve got that going for them. Nobodys charged the capitol where does the vote go . Okay, but first, what was the russia hoax . That was an attempted coup. No, it wasnt. Russia did interfere in the election. You told donald trump he has to admit the truth, democrats have to admit the truth. Im not a democrat. Supporters of democrats have to admit the truth. The same rules need to apply to everybody. The russia hoax was an attempted coup. Donald trump won the election and it was an effort to displace him from office. Putting that aside, where do the trump voters go . Thats a good question, nikki haleys
Point Of Trump<\/a> has to earn our support is 100 right. Were not going to vote for joe biden. The question is whether or not we vote for donald trump or we stay home. And thats really the open question. So for me the absolute worst outcome is a joe biden win, a
Chuck Schumer<\/a> leader of the senate and a
Hakeem Jeffries<\/a> speaker of the house. To me the best option for republicans right now, the surest way to avoid that trifecta is to make sure republicans retake the senate because the map is great for us, and thats where im going to be putting most of my efforts. Look, donald trump won fair and square. Thats how these things should be done at the ballot box, not alvin brag or etitia james. Its also about where the money goes. Do you stop giving . Im going to support
Republican Senate<\/a> campaigns. Im a one man band. I only have so much money and so much time in a day. My efforts are going to be directed almost exclusively to electing republican senators. I did an event for
Tim Sheehy Last<\/a> month, i have an event for
Larry Hogan In May<\/a> and i plan to work as hard as i can to elect republicans to the sna the. We have talked to a lot of haley voters and obviously this was before she made it official that she was getting out of the race. I think there are a couple that are representative of her voters. Let me play those. If it ends up being trump or biden, how do you think youll vote in 2024 . You know, thats a really good good question. I would its probably going to be biden just because its been, you know, four years and he hasnt divided. So she doesnt end up winning the primary and getting the electoral votes, would you vote for
Donald Trump In November<\/a> . Im not sure. Im not sure. I dont know what to do. So our exit polls, tim, show that in virginia,
North Carolina<\/a>, california, about a third of the primary voters answered no to the question of whether they will vote for the republican nominee regardless of who that might be. How much competition do you think there really is for the haley vote . I think that theres real competition. I think that theres competition from votes like this that are determining whether theyre going to vote for donald trump or sit it out. I think thats important, right . If you look in a place like georgia, trying to motivate people and say, hey, donald trump is unacceptable. Trump instigated an attack on the capitol. Donald trump had lunch with a neonazi. Donald trump started to get us out of afghanistan, actually. Hes unacceptable. Were not going to vote for him. Moving somebody from trump to nothing is a win for democrats and then i think theres another group of people that are genuine swing voters that the biden folks could reach that are trying to decide what to do. Those folks exist. We hear from them in focus groups all the time. You heard from one of them right there, and i think that the
Biden Campaign<\/a>, you saw in the statement they put out today, theyre at least trying to message to some of those voters, and i think they could be important, especially when you look at phoenix suburbs, georgia suburbs, look at the midterms, brian kemp, the republican wens for governor,
Raphael Warnock<\/a> wins for senate. Those are haley voters and those are important swing voters in this election that biden needs to speak to. Let me take you back to may of 2016 if i can. You were working for jeb bush, i was covering the bush campaign. He posted on social media he would not endorse donald trump. He said he had, quote, not demonstrated temperament or strength of character. What are the conversations like, do you imagine behind the scenes whether its nikki haley or other people of influence. Obviously
Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> has put aside the attacks that trump made on him and his wife and decided that he was going to endorse the
Quintessential Team<\/a> player. I dont think its the team player to endorse the person that does racist attacks on your life. I wouldnt endorse them. Doesnt matter what team im on. Thats one mans opinion. Jeb bush is a man of integrity but he also wasnt trying to run for office again. Lets just be honest, that is the calculation a lot of people are making. I think that jebs happy to move back to miami, hes got a great wife, has a great family, and he had a good life, and he made a good run. I think nikki, the question is does nikki think that her future is in the
Republican Party<\/a> . An independent candidate . I think what she is calculating on that will impact her choice. I think whether donald trump gets reelected will impact her future. Thank you both so much. Why the next six weeks could be a critical stretch of the 2024 election and what the exit polling now shows us about how that battle will unfold. Youre watching
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Super Tuesday<\/a> exit polling sheds a light on how this political battle could unfold. Nbcs
Political Editor<\/a> mark murray is with me from d. C. , and look whos here from d. C. In new york on set with me, chuck todd lay it out for us. Why are these six weeks i was just talking about everythings upended, the important six weeks are supposed to be september, october, right . Sure. The reason i point it out here, if you look at the last two incumbents, won reelection, george w. Bush, barack obama. Right after their opponents were coronated, they had a resource problem, right . They didnt have as much cash. The incumbent did. This is when george w. Bush and team framed, questioned kerrys war record, and he didnt have the resources to fight back in time. Mitt romney, this was the period of time they turned mitt romneys bain capital experience into a liability, and romney didnt respond. He was low on cash. This sixweek period, biden has this advantage right now. Hes going to press this financial advantage. Were going to start to see the first hits on trump, what works, what is their framing what is their theory of the case. Were going to learn a lot. If he wins reelection, it will be because he set the predicate correctly in these six weeks. Thats what im curious to watch. Hes going to figure out now what to do when everybodys paying attention. Most people are not paying attention right now. Right. You want to you sort of like you got to lay the groundwork for what you hope becomes your closing essentially the argument youre making for that slice of voters since september and october. Its very possible in this
Rematch Environment<\/a> that nobody tunes in until october, right . That the crucial the truly persuadable voters that are not looking forward to this will tune in, but theyre going to wait until as long as possible. Im not watching the entire regular season. Right. Just get me to the its kind of like the way the nba is, nba regular season, nba playoffs. Final four, yeah. Exactly. Ill watch that, you know. And thats where that is but i do think were going to learn a lot about biden, whether the biden what theory of the case the
Biden Campaign<\/a> has in their antitrump message. What is it going to be . How much does it look backwards . How much is it trying to run against what could be a trump second term, right . These are choices they have to make. All right, mark, you did a deep dive into our nbc news exit polls. What do they tell us about those coveted small number of real swing voters . Yeah, chris, and what we end up seeing, whether it was in
New Hampshire<\/a>, south carolina, or in virginia and
North Carolina<\/a> last night, according to the exit polls was nikki haley doing really well with independent, moderate to liberal leaning voters, and you know, normally we end up having a general election lens on things, you want to be the candidate thats doing better with the independents, with the moderates. However, its important to note, chris, that one thing that we have kind of picked up in all of those early states with exit polls and particularly in states with open primaries, that means that not only republicans can participate but also independents and crossover democrats is that a lot of the nikki haley supporters, not all of them, are joe biden or democratic voters. In virginia, for example, 51 of haley voters ended up approving of joe bidens job. Now in a republican primary, you normally end up seeing its around 1 to 2 to 3 of republicans who might end up approving the job of the opposition president , but here it was at 51 , which leads me to believe that these are a lot of democratic and biden voters who were never going to be voting for donald trump or the republican ticket in the first place. All right, chuck, so critics say that donald trump doesnt really understand the issues, and im not even sure that matters, right, for his base. How much will the issues matter and how predictable are they, and i asked that because we always say its the economy, stupid, like weve been saying that since
James Carville<\/a> said it. Then we said its going to be reproductive rights. Thats what we saw in 2022. Now what the exit polls are showing us, its immigration, or is it maybe not as much about the issues. Im not convinced about the immigration. Were looking at a republican electorate telling us what their issue is. I have yet to be persuade that had a voter whos vacillating between the two parties is an immigration voter. That doesnt mean theyre not concerned about it, but is it a voting issue for them. Is there somebody out there, im for biden but for his mishandling of the border. Abortion issues, im just voting on this. Theres a lot of those single issue voters. Look, i think that trump has set up a predicate here, you know, by going really dark, by saying the country is, you know, is in a mess and all this stuff. He is now hes made himself where his campaign only succeeds if events match his rhetoric. Hes painting a picture, so its almost like he needs a migrant crime wave in october. Okay . Hes claiming it exists. It doesnt exist. Theres incidents. Theres that one incident in georgia. If its something that feels like its happening all over in october, i accept the premise that, yes, that could then suddenly be a swing voters. My point is he needs outside events to i think create a create support for his theory of the case, where biden in some ways, look, im still of the mindset that it might be abortion may be the only issue he needs, that it is still until its settled law, this is going to be a problem for any for the
Republican Party<\/a> in any
National Election<\/a> whether its a midterm or president ial. Chuck todd always great to have you here. Mark murray, thank you my friend. In a stunning reversal,
Senate Minority<\/a> leader
Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> the highest ranking republican
In Washington<\/a> endorsed donald trump today. The two men have clashed for years, most notably over january 6th, which at least at one
Point Mcconnell<\/a> blamed on trump, but following trumps dominant
Super Tuesday<\/a> performance, mcconnell today said its abundantly clear the former president has earned the support of
Republican Voters<\/a> and therefore his support. It does underscore just how commanding trumps control over his party has become with moderate opposition all but gone now. That dynamic is playing out in the race to replace mcconnell, the longest serving
Senate Leader<\/a> in history. Whether they have any choice but to bend to the base and go full maga is very much an open question. Nbcs ryan nobles is reporting from capitol hill. Im wondering whats the reaction to this endorsement and is the expectation that it is trump who will have the major influence on who replaces him . Reporter to answer your first question, in his statement
Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> said it should come as no surprise that he intends to support the republican nominee and now that its donald trump, he is supporting donald trump. I think i have to agree with that statement. I dont think there are two many of us that believe that should snow there be a scenario that donald trump turned out to be the nominee and
Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> would not support donald trump. He is a loyal republican. Hes always been a loyal republican and thats going to continue despite his differences with the former president , and in terms of what it means for the leadership race, the effort to replace
Mitch Mcconnell<\/a>, i think theres no doubt that
Donald Trumps<\/a> going to weigh heavily in that decisionmaking process. One of the interesting things we did see play out in the last 48 hours,
John Barrasso<\/a> of wyoming, the most maga of the three johns announced that he intended to run for the second slot, the
House Republican<\/a> whip as opposed to being the republican leader. That pits right now john thune against john cornyn. Both of them certainly have aligned themselves with donald trump when its been beneficial to them, but then have also found opportunities to separate themselves so theres no question that if donald trump puts his thumb on the scale, that could have a lot of influence over who will replace
Mitch Mcconnell<\/a>, and theres also always the possibility that there is some dark horse candidate that we havent even thought of yet, someone that is more clearly defined with the maga wing of the party, and then depending on who e merges from the fall election, the type of republican that will replace some of the republicans that are leaving think mitt romney in utah and other places that perhaps that those that group of people may have a bigger influence as well. This is going to be an interesting race thats going to play out, and remember, chris, when they ultimately decide whos going to be the leader, it will be a closed ballot. We wont know who they vote for, which could make things a little bit interesting, chris. And a challenge for our correspondents to figure out whats going on behind those closed doors, ryan nobles, as always, good to see you. I want to bring in congressman ken buck, republican of colorado, always good to have you on the program. Let me, first of all, get your reaction to this endorsement. Look, we said it was a stunning reversal. I dont think that its an enormous surprise what
Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> decided, but what do you make of it . Well, first of all, i think that donald trump has insulted so many people that
Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> doesnt necessarily take it personally when donald trump insults his wife, but i do think that
Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> is a team player. Hes a loyal republican, and he saw his duty, he saw his job as supporting the candidate in this situation. Youre one of many who have said theres no room for compromise in congress anymore. Just yesterday
Kyrsten Sinema<\/a> cited that as a reason to bow out. Let me pose a question for everyone who has said i cant get much done. Im going to not run again. Could you be jumping the gun . What if trump isnt reelected . Whos going to be left from the middle and even if donald trump isnt president , is your argument that maga retains its outsized influence . I think if
Donald Trumps<\/a> not elected, i think youll see less and less influence from the maga wing of the party. It really ive heard some of your guests talk about the conservative and moderates. In my view it is the conserve conservetive and populist sides of the party now. What was a conservative years ago would support the ukrainians in the war with russia. A conservative years ago would make many of the
State Law Arguments<\/a> that arent being made right now, so i think the spectrum is a little bit different, but i do think that the maga forces will over time wane and youll see somebody else step up that starts to lead the party, and that person, that group is going to have outsized influence because theres going to be a vacuum if donald trump doesnt win. We do see the maga influence all over the budget negotiations. Friday, right, is the deadline to avoid a partial government shutdown. The
Spending Package<\/a> scheduled for a house vote today is actually six bills rolled into one. Its a thousand pages long. Punchbowl news puts it this way. Its precisely the kind of legislating republicans vowed theyd avoid when they took over the house in january of 2023. Whats your opinion on how this
Budget Process<\/a> has played out . Do you support this bill . Well, i dont think people want to see how sausage is made, and they dont want to see how legislation is made, especially appropriations. The issue, again, when you look at a conservative position on a spending bill, it should be less spending or you should be freezing spending. This bill has billions of dollars of ear marks in it, something that conservatives work very hard to do away with. So i think that you will see a lot of conservatives walk away from this bill in the house. I think youll see a lot of democrats vote for this bill. Congressman ken buck, we shall see presumably later today. Thank you again for being on the show. Much appreciated. Thank you. And coming up,
Breaking News<\/a>, the iranianbacked rebels attacking another ship and killing and injuring civilians. Plus,
Kba Republicans<\/a> issue subpoenas and hold their first hearings in the probe of d. A. Fani willis. Were going to atlanta to get the latest on that. Youre watching
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Breaking News<\/a> from overseas. At least two people were killed and six injured in a
Houthi Missile<\/a> attack on a commercial ship according to the crew on board. A commercial ship according to the crew on board. Courtney kube joins me now. What do we know about this . Reporter this is the first time one of the these houthi attacks has led to the deaths of civilians. As you mentioned, two of the crew members of the ship, the mv true confidence, its barbados flagged and liberian owned. We dont know the nationality of the crew at this point. We are trying to figure that out still at this point, chris. But two of those crew members were killed when a houthi antiship
Ballistic Missile<\/a> struck that vessel earlier today. It was in the gulf of aden, about 60 miles off the coast of yemen according to defense official when it was hit. It caused a severe fire. At least six other crew members were also injured in this attack. Now,
Coalition Warships<\/a> that were already in the region as part of this ongoing patrolling mission there have responded to the distress call, but the crew have already abandoned the vessel, chris. They are in lifeboats off the side of it. We still dont have a good sense of exactly the status of that ship. Beyond the fact that it experienced severe structural damage and there was a fire. Again, chris, this was the first time that one of these many houthi attacks that we have seen since midnovember has resulted in the death of civilian mariners. Thank you so much for that, courtney kube. Just last hour, the lawyer at the center of the attempt to remove fani willis from the
Georgia Election<\/a> committee. She talked about what she said she found that she believes should disqualify willis. Nbcs
Blayne Alexander<\/a> is following this in atlanta. This takes the hearing from the legal arena of a courtroom into the political arena. Walk us through whats happening and why . Reporter chris, thats exactly what it does. To be very clear, whats happening at the state house is different from what is happening a couple of blocks away at the
Fulton County<\/a> courthouse. The judge will decide whether or not fani willis will stay on the case. Here at the state house, what lawmakers are doing is they are looking into whether or not there was any misuse of state funds and the misuse of power for personal gain. Those are the two issues theyre looking at here. What they can actually do if they find theres wrong doing, they can refer this to another body or propose new laws to curb
Something Like<\/a> this in the future. Practically, their hands are really relatively tied and there is a limit on what authority they have in the situation. Now, thats practically. Politically of course is another matter. The chairman of the republicanled committee tells me this is going to take many months to complete this investigation. They will likely want to hear from fani willis down the line. Theyre not ruling out a subpoena if she doesnt come here voluntarily. Thats what republicans are saying. The democrats on the
Committee Say<\/a> the entire thing is politically motivated. Take a look. We really should not be doing this. We dont have a role here. That judge is going to make a decision in a couple of weeks. Thats the role that ought to be played out. We need to find a way to expand medicaid in georgia. We dont have a role in this particular situation right here. You just heard from the democrat on that committee. The chairman tells me there is nothing political about this. They say its their responsibility to look into any allegations of impropriety. Chris, to your point earlier, the fact that this has moved from the courthouse to the state house really kind of underscores the degree to which these allegations over the past two months have largely eclipsed even the charges and the allegations and the evidence against donald trump and his codefendants themselves. Chris. Blayne alexander, thank you so much. We have more
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Supreme Court<\/a>. The justices saying now they will hear arguments on trumps president ial immunity claims on thursday, april 25th. At stake, what can be included in the federal election interference trial against the former president. He argues he can not be prosecuted for his actions on january 6th. What the
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Chris Jansing<\/a> reports. There are, count them, exactly 234 days until the november election, and today, with nikki haley out of the race, donald trump is now the presumptive nominee for a 2020 rematch against president joe biden. While it may feel like youve seen it all before, is the case really that you aint seen nothing yet . Tomorrows
State Of The Union<\/a> will be a speech that is likely one of the biggest opportunities of joe bidens long political career. Can he make his
Message Stick<\/a> . And can he win over any of haleys supporters. It is now up to donald trump to earn the votes of those in our party and beyond it who did not support him. And i hope he does that. At its","publisher":{"@type":"Organization","name":"archive.org","logo":{"@type":"ImageObject","width":"800","height":"600","url":"\/\/ia600205.us.archive.org\/4\/items\/MSNBCW_20240306_180000_Chris_Jansing_Reports\/MSNBCW_20240306_180000_Chris_Jansing_Reports.thumbs\/MSNBCW_20240306_180000_Chris_Jansing_Reports_000001.jpg"}},"autauthor":{"@type":"Organization"},"author":{"sameAs":"archive.org","name":"archive.org"}}],"coverageEndTime":"20240707T12:35:10+00:00"}