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MSNBCW The July 4, 2024

America last, the rights century long romance with foreign leaders. It is an essential read right now. Thank you so much for your time. That is our show for tonight. Now is time for the last word with jonathan capehart, who is in for lawrence. Good evening, jonathan, i have heard that you made a very big interview airing tomorrow night. Yes. The very big interview that will be taped just hours before it airs, so tomorrow is going to be a very interesting but also exciting day, seeing the president right after that boffo state of the union address. Yes, its a huge get. We are all eagerly awaiting your interview. Im so excited for you. Get your beauty sleep tonight after you finish the show. Im good, im going to try. Thank you, alex. Have a good evening. Good evening and welcome to the worst week of Donald Trumps life so far. Donald trumps best hope of a get out of jail free card was joe biden losing the president ial campaign. Joe biden is not losing the president ial campaign. No one knows what will happen in november but the Biden Reelection Campaign is fired up and on offense. Joe biden forcefully angered the pundits who said he is too old in his state of the union last night. 32 million potential voters watched his speech, likely the biggest audience either president ial candidate will command before the conventions. The Campaign Announced it is rolling out a new 30 million tv ad it. Joe biden and Kamala Harris will visit all six Battleground States this month, starting today. My lifetime has taught me to embrace the future. I mean sincerely, freedom, democracy, a future based on the core values that have defined america honesty, decency, fairness, equality. Treating people fairly. No i really mean it. We dont always live up. Thats the american creed. Donald trump sees the story differently. He sees a story of resentment, revenge, retribution. I ask today, arizona, are you ready to make your voices heard . Do we trust women . Do we believe in reproductive freedom . Do we believe in the promise of america . Are we ready to fight for it . And when we fight we win. Joe biden has a professional campaign operation. Joe biden has the pomp and power of the presidency at his disposal. Joe biden has money to spend on being reelected. And donald trump . Donald trump watched every minute of the president s state of the union. You know that because he was ranting all night on his janky social media site, including, hes so angry and crazy. Okay, old man. Settle down. Donald trump is angry about President Bidens speech, which the Biden Campaign felt so good about, it immediately turned it into an ad. Kind of the american story. Again and again ive seen the contest between competing forces of the battle for the soul of our nation. Between those who want to pull america back to the past and those who want to move america to the future. It is and how old we are, its how old our ideas. Hate, anger, revenge, retribution, the old ideas. I see a future where defending democracy, we dont diminish it. I see a future restoring the right to choose and protect our freedoms. The middle class finally has a fair shot and the wealthy have to pay their fair share in taxes. Icy a future where we save the planet from the Climate Crisis and our country from gun violence. Above all i see a future for all americans i see a country for all americans i will always be president for all americans. So lets build a future together. Lets remember who we are. We are the United States of america. America. Donald trump is angry because of these reviews. In your face biden takes on trumpet and his own doubters. State of the union shows theres life in the old boy yet. Biden electrifies democrats, spars with republicans in fiery state of the union address. Biden silences the doubters. And so much for sleepy joe. Jonathan alter, who has questioned whether biden should run again, said today, quote, biden proved that he has the strength, endurance, and mental agility to be an effective president. The president didnt just clear the senility bar, he demolished it. And here are the most important reviews voters in Battleground States. Hes got a little pep in his step. You know the Old School Joking around biden was there and it was good to see that he is ready for this election. Clearly hes totally with it. I just thought he nailed it. I saw energy and i love his ad libbing. I just thought he punched back like he should have. It was powerful. He got his point across and hes doing a good job. He stood strong. He looked like a president and thats what we need to. I thought that joe biden, uncle joe as i like to call him, came off very vivacious, which is important to him and important to everybody. I think President Biden delivered the strongest speech that i might have ever seen. He came out swinging and he did not hold back, and i couldnt disagree with almost anything that he said. I would rather have a president with 81 years behind him then 91 counts. I thought joe biden was absolutely amazing. He stood up for himself. He stood up for decency, honesty, and for the american program. He was great. Super energetic. Stay organized. Kept delivering punch after punch. Saying things about wanting to hear him say without being too combative. He delivered. He showed that age is not going to be an issue for him. He has the mental capacity to engage anyone and answer questions on this part. I think he did a great job. He made his point. He got across to a lot of people. I think he did a great job, i really do. He might be a little elderly but hes saying and hes a kind man. The other one, hes old, too, but hes crazy. And dangerous. Trumps old, too, but hes crazy and dangerous. Thats it. Thats checkmate. There is no issue, no question, no concern of how joe biden, for which the answer is donald trump. Well here we are, you guys. Donald trump is now the presumptive gop nominee for president again, for a third time, despite the fact that hes a twice impeached, four times criminal in datey and racist whos been found liable for fraud and sexual abuse, banned from doing business in the state of new york for three years, owes over half 1 billion in fines, took millions from foreign governments while he was president , tried to extort a foreign country to interfere in an election in 2020 and encouraged another to help him when in 2016, actively undermining the nations response to a onceina lifetime pandemic and lead a deadly disease spiral out of control, is about to go on trial for breaking Campaign Finance laws by paying has money to cover up an affair during the 2016 campaign, orchestrated a monthlong coup attempt that culminated in a violent insurrection to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power and install him as an unelected dictator, still classified documents and obstructed attempt to get them back, has never once won the popular vote and has been routinely rejected by a majority of americans in election after election. Spews deranged Conspiracy Theories about everything from Climate Change to immigration to vaccines to windmills, glitches on presumable words, two syllable words in one syllable words, cheat at golf, cant spell his name, his wifes name or the words indicted, education, unprecedented, stolen, denmark, kentucky, or tap and is on top of everything else, the single weirdest and most offputting human being on the face of the [ bleep ] planet. And this is the same planet ted crews lives on, so thats saying something. Donald trump is finally being hoisted by his own petard. It will be pretty hard for the Reality Tv Persona who shoved himself in americans faces for decades, including every tweet during his four years in office, to convince voters he is something else. And if the humiliation of President Bidens successful state of the union wasnt enough today, donald trump finally had to pay. He posted a nearly 92 million bond for lying about sexually assaulting eugene carroll. That is donald trump being punished. That is donald trump being held accountable. That is donald trump being bound by the law, like everyone else. Yes its on bond and hes in the process of appealing, but it marks the end of trumps efforts to delay, deny, and try to break the system to evade justice. Its only the beginning. Just 17 days from today, The Civil Fraud Judgment of 454 million plus interest comes do. Coincidentally, perhaps politically, the same day as his criminal trial is scheduled to start in new york. Donald trump is showing voters he is angry and crazy every day. He is grubbing for money under the weight of civil judgments and he just installed his daughterinlaw as the head of the Republicans National campaign committee. 241 days until election day. Today was a very bad day for donald trump. But there are almost certainly worst days for him ahead. Joining us now, tim obrien, Senior Executive editor from Bloomberg Opinion and author of trump nation. Hes host of the bloomberg podcast crash course, and jennifer rubin, opinion columnist at the Washington Post and host of The Green Room podcast. Both are msnbc political analyst. Thank you both for being here. Tim, how do you think donald trump is feeling tonight about his future . Loony, angry, anxious, petrified. Dealing with forces he cant control, jonathan. Weve talked about this before. You know donald trump is not a sophisticated man. He is not an intelligent man but hes a student of celebrity and hes been fascinated with it his whole life. Its how he things about himself and i think he watched that state of the Union Understanding exactly what aydin was doing, which was rewriting the script the republicans wanted him to follow when he walked in and gave that address last night, which was a thought to be stumbling, demented, incapable old man. And instead he came out with a light touch. He had lived exactly what he needed to. He quoted the republicans at least twice on policy issues, off the cuff, and he quoted them with it and i think thats why you saw this massive volume of tweeting from trump, because in real time he understood that joe biden was getting traction, and if joe biden had traction that meant trump has a long eight months thatll ahead of him. These are still early days. Its a long way to november but donald trump is going to be traveling this road, dealing with criminal and civil charges, dealing with a federal prosecution. He is not someone who has any selfcontrol most of the time. He has a financial deficit in his campaign already, and he is, i think already, emotionally undisciplined, and that is going to continue to haunt him on the campaign trail. And everything he did last night was an indicator that i think hes the only viewer of the state of the union who thought that katie britt did a good job in the address that she gave after biden was done. And if you sort of bookmark last nights event, which began with Marjorie Taylor greene trying to coax a reaction from biden and instead she looked like a vendor at a Baseball Game ready to throw hot dogs and beers and then the end with katie britt, who came across as a stepford wife. She was, i think scary and disarming and uncomfortable. And trump sees all that, he sees how the event is book ended and he knows the star of that show was biden, and it frightens him. You know, jen, speaking of Marjorie Taylor greene, she challenged the president , as tim pointed out, challenged the president and lost on national television. How do you think trump saw that . How do other republicans feel about being associated with that . Well donald trump always thinks hes the biggest bully in town and we all know that to beat a bully you punch them in the nose, and thats what biden did over and over and over again. He did it with humor. He did it with strength in his voice. He did it with a whole really rewriting of the script, telling the story of his presidency and the mess that he was handed by donald trump. And i would like to point out also that this is a punch in the nose for the media. It was basically carrying the trump line for months now, who had written him off in story after story about how old he is, how he was going to lose, how hes out of it, how no one thinks the economy is going well, and really there have been some lonely voices in the wilderness, like mine, saying i think youve got this wrong. This is not a race. This is not biden and i think joe biden returned people to reality. But im shocked, shocked, jonathan, you didnt like that young lady in the remodeled kitchen. Wasnt this like a Home Remodeling show . This was politics . I didnt notice. Listen. Oh my god. Seriously, to be more serious, this is also a huge problem for donald trump and the rest of the republican party. Not only have they stirred anger across the country on abortion, which is now a 60, 65 percent issue the other way. But with ivf they really expressed and explained just how radical and nuts they are. And i think they are backpedaling as fast as they can. They cant do it because mike johnson, who himself looked very weird last night, lets face it, wont say that a fertilized egg is not a person. Therefore the egg gets all the rights. The woman gets none of the rights. So they have a huge problem with women. They have a huge problem now that they have been identified as the party preventing a deal on immigration. That was going to be their ace in the hole, right . Open borders, open borders. I think biden has turned that around, and lastly, he has labeled them as poodles of putin, which they are. This is how you know how bad senator katie britt was. Both i and hugh hewitt are in agreement. He also thought she was terrible. Thats how i know. Go ahead. Tim when was the last time you were in agreement . Rarely. Rarely. And yet today we were in agreement three times. But tim, let me get you on the E Jean Carroll situation. Trump had to post bond to pay jean carroll while hes begging the rnc to pay his legal bills. What does that tell you about his money situation and how do you think this factors into trumps State Of Mind that hes finally being held accountable and has to get up off some cash . Theres this longstanding myth that donald trump is untouchable legally. But that myth, like so many things in his life, had never really been tested. He had never really walked up in front of a very muscular, robust federal and state investigations by prosecutors who were determined to hold him accountable. And he has at least four very serious and perilous judgments staring him in the face. On the financial side of it, hes scraping for money. Theres been a widespread assumption that donald trump might have several hundred Million Dollars in cash at his disposal, but that was largely dependent on Deposition Testimony he gave in which he said he had 400 million. But donald trump never tells the truth and famously, i think his lawyer townsend once said i wouldnt believe donald trump if his tongue was notarized. The simple fact that people are believing that 400 million is there because he said it in his deposition, without realizing the money is not there, hes scrambling and he has another judgment hes going to have to deal with, 450 million. That other judgment is im glad im not him. For a host of reasons. The 454 million is a big one. Jen, real quickly, last thoughts, real quickly. First of all, i want to know why chuck is giving him the money. I think the shareholders of trump should be very concerned and secondly, when it comes to the 450 million, if he doesnt have that, and remember hes been begging for a stay of that judgment, they are going to come after his building. So we will see the perhaps Letitia James tower. Perhaps we will see maralago in E Jean Carrolls hans. This is really his Worst Nightmare because hes maintained this myth of success and hes not successful. Hes a loser. I mean i think if you really want to send a message, i know theres a building on fifth avenue and 56th street that would just really just get to the heart of the matter. Tim obrien, ted rubin, thank you both very much for joining us tonight. Coming up, Donald Trumps half 1 billion he owes after his losses in civil court. Will trump be able to find a bond for the judgment in the new york Civil Fraud Case . And how long will he be able to drag out the appeals process . Thats next. Thats next. And leaves your system fast. 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