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MSNBCW Ayman July 4, 2024

Tonight, we begin with that Msnbc Exclusive Interview with my colleague and host, jonathan and President Biden, the president and the former president arrived in georgia to hold dueling rallies just 60 miles apart, presenting two radically different visions of america, both after scoring big wins on super tuesday. Both campaigns are gearing up for a close race in the battleground state. Remember, the margin was so tight in 2020 that trump was indicted for pressuring the Secretary Of State to find him more votes. Jonathan, the president discussed a wide variety of issues including his fight for reproductive access and his controversial handling of the Israel Hamas War and those comments about the socalled Migrant Crime Wave on the border. Here is a clip from the interview. What is your redline with Prime Minister netanyahu, for instance, the invasion of rafah, is that a redline . It is, but im never going to leave israel, the defense is so critical, theres no redline to cut off the iron dome that protects them. They cant have 30,000 more palestinians dead. Its great to see you and a great interview. No doubt, but thank you for joining us, i know you are on a tight schedule. You covered a lot during this interview, what stood out to you during your conversation . The number one thing that stood out to me, and thank you very much for having me on your show, the thing that stood out to me is that the president feels liberated to finally be able to get out of the white house, get on the Campaign Trail and speak freely about where he wants to take the country, how much of a danger donald trump is, and to just sort of mix things up. And in that clip that you showed, ayman, there were two things that stood out to me in that clip. Yes, he said there is no redline, for him, when it comes to defending israel. But, he also said there is a redline when it comes to netanyahu. So what i want to know is what are those redlines beyond he cant have 30,000 more palestinians killed on his watch. I got the distinct impression that there are other redlines. When it comes to netanyahu and the Prime Minister, but he wasnt going to get into those with me on camera. Notably, the president walked back something he has been getting heat for this week, his comments on calling an undocumented person an illegal during the State Of The Union address, that individual allegedly responsible for the killing of Lincoln Riley in georgia. Take a listen to this response. I shouldnt have used illegal, it is undocumented and look, when i spoke about the differences between trump and me, one of the things i talked about on the border is the way he talks about these people polluting the blood, i talked about what im not going to do, im not going to treat any of these people with disrespect. And he got a lot of pushback for using his word, from some of his fellow democrats and migrant advocates. Does he get a sense that the damage has already been done . What did you make of him walking back these comments quest mark he understood the damage that he caused, and he was very eager to make amends, you could say he was very eager to clean it up but he really wanted to make amends because as he said in the rest of that answer, he understood that use of that word went contrary to the overall message that he is trying to impart to the country, when it comes to what is happening at the border, when it comes to immigration, when it comes to undocumented immigrants in this country, that is why you saw him say, youve got donald trump talking about migrants poisoning the blood of our country. Or talking about the socalled crime wave, and other things. And that is contrary to the way the president thinks and feels about this issue. And i did get the very clear sense that he knows he made a mistake and he was very eager to make amends for that mistake. Let me play for you donald trump responding to bidens apology in that interview. Watch. They just told me prior to what im doing right now, that joe biden went on television and apologized for calling lincolns murder illegal, he didnt want to call him illegal. He said, he should have called him an undocumented, not illegal, and he wanted to apologize. He wanted to apologize. Your thoughts on that, jonathan . It is proving the president s point about how hurtful that language is. And you know, lets not forget, this isnt just about people having tender feelings and tender hearts and thinking that folks are being overly sensitive. Its because of language like that, used by donald trump and used by folks on the far right that people have been incentivized to put targets on the backs of latinos and hispanics in this country. Lets not forget that a walmart was shot up by somebody, a walmart that was frequented by a lot of people, but this shooter targeted latinos. Because you know, if memory serves, he was concerned about the invasion, which is another word that trump has been using and was using at the time. So, words have power and these kinds of words that degrade and dehumanize people particularly from folks on the right have dangerous power. Very important reminder of that as well. Let me ask you about Foreign Policy for a second, because the president , Joe Biden Legend that William Burns is in the middle east as they work on a ceasefire, hopefully before the start of ramadan on monday. Did you get any sense that the president would be open to a permanent ceasefire, which is what the thousands of folks across the country have been protesting for and pressing him to declare, not just temporary but a permanent one. Does he still have any optimism that might be achieved before monday . Let me take the first part of your question about the ceasefire, yes, i think the president wants a ceasefire, but i think from what he said and what we have heard from other folks in the administration, a six week ceasefire, the hope is if they can nail that down, it will then be selfperpetuating. That you get that and incentives happen, and you get another week, or another six weeks the hope is to build to a permanent ceasefire. But i do think the president ultimate goal is a permanent ceasefire. What was the second part of your question . It has been a long day. I hear you. It was whether or not he thinks it is optimistic to be achieved by monday. Well, he is optimistic that a deal can be reached, i dont know if he thinks it can be done by friday. But what this is telling me about his answer, saying that the cia director is there, even though hamas left cairo a couple days ago, we have to remember that just because people leave the table doesnt mean that negotiations end. And that was a signal to me that even though hamas has left, that doesnt mean that diplomacy stopped, and this age we are in, how can diplomacy stop when you have cell phones, youve got internet, all sorts of things so you can keep the conversation going. Im pretty sure that the president will be surprised if a deal isnt reached by monday, but that doesnt mean that he and everyone in the administration wont keep pushing and trying to get a ceasefire done point my friend, Jonathan Capehart with an exclusive interview with President Biden. Great as always, safe travels, we will see you tomorrow. Next, can the rnc now officially rename itself the tmc . We will explain. Will explain. O. Theyre quitting the kibble. And kicking the cans. And feeding their dogs dog food thats actually well, food. Developed with vets. Made from real meat and veggies. Portioned for your dog. And delivered right to your door. Its smarter, healthier pet food. Get 50 off your first box at thefarmersdog. 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Trump noted the cash crunch during an acceptance speech, touting a Donation Chap that she claims has secured that day, but afterwards, she declined to say who actually wrote the check. Questions are rising over how that money will be spent with an increasing number of the ex president s supporters urging the rnc to open it up for trumps mounting legal bills. Even members of congress are calling on the party to crack open the bank for the ex president s personal legal problems. When asked if the rnc should bail trump out, marco rubio said i believe so, and senator Lindsey Graham said he would not object if the campaign arm came to the disgraced former president s aid and trying to drain the dial, i will leave it up to the rnc to figure out what is the best way forward. I just think we need to have help for our nominee as best as we can. Help the guy out. Isnt this a self proclaimed billionaire . On friday, the expresident took steps toward combating the growing legal tab, posting a 91 million bond along with a notice to appeal in e. Jean carrolls defamation case, that is just a small drop in the bucket. Remember, trump is on the hook for more than 464 million for his new york civil fraud judgment, an amount that continues to grow by the day due to interest and despite claiming any deposition for the fraud case to have substantially in excess of 400 million in cash on hand, late last month, trump asked the Appellate Court to reduce the bond amount to just 100 million, cautioning that he might have to Sell Properties to get the cash. The court declined to lower the amount, they did grant the request to pause the threeyear band that barred him from pursuing loans from banks in new york. Potentially allowing him to collect funds. Although donald trump got himself into this financial mess, it is clear that he is doing everything in his power to have someone else clean it up and pay for him. Here to discuss that and more, host of the fast politics podcast, and the nbc political analyst, it is great to have you both with us. Molly, he has already installed his loyalists at the rnc, it is a signal of what to come and along with Michael Watley and his daughterinlaw, lara trump, the expresident s Senior Campaign adviser will also be made the rnc chief operating officer. Is the mega takeover of the gop officially complete . Yeah, look, it has been this way for a long time and remember, even when she took the job, she still had to take romney out of her name, so there has been a lot of trump appeasement. But i would say that what is pretty interesting about this, you know, she ended up being removed because they werent killing it with the fundraising. So they put in trumps daughter inlaw. I dont know that will help with the fundraising. Some of what is happening is, donors have some pause about paying the legal fees, as they should. Im not convinced, it is not a huge surprise of her holding a check, then later refusing to answer questions about the check. But, i do think, in a funny way, she is kind of in a terrible position because shes not in a better position to raise money and you have all these donors who had Real Relationships with ronna. So, i actually think this may ultimately backfire on trump world. This new Leadership Team is expected to further embrace trumps baseless claims of election fraud, how dangerous is it to our political process if the rnc, basically the republican partys leadership does the ex president s dirty work for him . It is incredibly dangerous, and i think the concern does not need to be as much can lara trump turnaround Fundraising Mike we will see, maybe she has a way to funnel money, but i think it is how she directs that spending, to your point, doesnt get directed ultimately in the direction of Donald Trumps legal bills. I believe it will, absolutely without question, get into the Republican National committee will go to pay Donald Trumps legal bills. How does that relate to your specific question . That would mean that the Republican National committee as an organization, as the party itself, very well may be supporting Donald Trumps defense or past legal bills as it relates to now being found liable for sexual assault, will some of that go to the e. Jean carroll case because he says he was unfairly targeted . Will the money go against the insurrection he caused against the United States, because now this goes beyond donald trump and it is about the Republican National committee. When you show quotes like those from marco rubio and Lindsey Graham, this is their blessing of all of donald trump malfeasance, his alleged criminality and where he has been found culpable for civil liability for the rnc now owns this and laura trump make sure that they own it and donald trump will celebrate that ownership. And the rnc is trying to tamper down the concerns from the members who are worried the group would help pay trumps mounting legal bills, but his daughterinlaw has said that she thought the idea would receive support among the partys base bid why are Trump Supporters so willing to hand over their money to a man who claims to be worth aliens of dollars . Why do they fall for the grace that is trump . You know, it is a question as old as 2015. None of us really know, hes got some kind of hold on his face, god knows why. But, hes going to run through that money pretty fast. When lara trump was holding up the check, 100,000, that is like a retainer for a lot of these lawyers. So i do think, and im not convinced by the way that spending the money on his legal bills is a worse use of it than spending the money on carey lakes second statewide campaign in two years. What this party is up to is so wild but again, trump has control of the party, marco rubio is yet another person who has really just been destroyed by trump and is just a husk of a shell of a person at this point. Congressman, do you think theres any legal problem for the rnc to undertake this, just from your experience and politics, what do the rules say about the rnc and what they can and cannot do for somebody like donald trump and certainly with this nepotism of having his daughterinlaw in this powerful position . It comes down to the internal organizational rules of the rnc and the disclosures they make it to their donors. You saw in the past several years, there have been fundraising solicitations, if you read the fine print, 90 is basically going to donald trump for some other activity than what the governor thinks they are contributing to. You did see resistance within the rnc, you saw a member of the committee itself make a motion and circulate it suggesting that they prohibit use of funds for Donald Trumps legal bills, ultimately that did not succeed. And the reason that member offered it is because a number of republicans do think the contributions to the rnc should be used to elect republican candidates, not to pay legal bills. This was not a primary, this was a coronation where donald trump affirmed his complete control of the party and if he wants the money for the legal

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