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MSNBCW The July 4, 2024

David hoggs leaders we deserve get tonights last word. The 11th hour with Stephanie Ruhle starts now. Tonight, a georgia judge throws out three counts against donald trump. The impact of todays dismissal. Plus an update on where things stand on the remaining 88 charges against him. And big changes at the rnc after team trumps takeover. Plus, the new lawsuit in michigan over the states voter rolls. Then, crime has become a Major Political talking point. So tonight, we are separating fact from fiction. Our Spotlight Conversation with three Police Chiefs from across the country. As the 11th hour gets underway on this wednesday night. Good evening once again, im Stephanie Ruhle live from msnbc headquarters in new york city. We are now 237 days away from the election. Today a georgia judge threw out six counts in the election interference case involving donald trump. Three were against trump himself. The rest were against his codefendants including mark meadows and rudy giuliani. One of those counts that was thrown out was directly tied to trumps phone call to georgia Secretary Of State urging him to find more votes. The judge said that the counts in Question Quote lacked sufficient detail. The da could refile them. Her office declined to comment on whether she would. We are still of course waiting on the judges ruling about whether willis herself should be disqualified for the case because of her relationship with one of her prosecutors. That decision expected this week. Donald trumps attorney praised the decision and said the entire case should be dismissed. Trump of course is still facing ten other counts in the sprawling georgia rico case and in total, he now faces 88 Felony Counts spread across four upcoming trials. That is 88 more than any other former president. Remember that. First up, new york hush money case which is set to start in less than two weeks. But Donald Trumps team is fighting to delay it. Pending the supreme courts decision on president ial community. Lets get smarter with the help of our panel. Shawn allen is here. Mccay coppins. Staff writer at the atlantic and a new contributor here, barbara quaid. Her new book, a New York Times best seller. Attack from within, Howdies Information is sabotaging america is a must read out now. Okay lets start with these three counts. They could be refiled by willis. Put into context for us as the general Election Campaign gets underway. What he is faceing in the legal fund. He is facing something completely unprecedented in american history. Not just 88 criminal charges but any criminal charge. One for each key on the piano if you can imagine that. This is not something that has put donald trump in the clear. He is facing so many court dates. You know, he will have to have a lot of days to beat the raps. Today is good to see these disappear for the moment. They could be refiled but there is plenty pending against him. The judge said the accounts were not detailed enough about those violations. What do you think about that . When it comes to the call with the Secretary Of State looking for votes, we all heard that and it seemed major. Yes, what is interesting about the judges ruling, he say there are plenty of facts. The problem is the failure to articulate which law was violated so there is a due process to put the defendant on notice. Exactly what they are charged with so they can defend against the claim. What he said here, they are charged with soliciting public officials. What the judge says is they must specify which provisions of those two documents the government alleges were violated. He said they can come back and refile as long as they specify the precise clauses of the constitution. The evidence cited here, the call certainly remains part of this case. And can be brought up in the rico charges. If the Georgia Prosecutor wants to, she could refile and fix this flaw. It is form over substance. The judge is not saying that the underlying evidence is not valid but of course team trump is going to run a major victory lap over this. Arent they . Yeah. Of course. I mean look, the tricky thing that trump and his camp are going to have to confront here is that up until now the past year, the entire narrative they have been pushing is this is the greatest political persecution in history. The judicial system is being rigged against him. That this is a witch hunt. What will be interesting to watch is how they react when things like this happen. When judges act like judges. And there are developments in these cases that go their way. Are they going to take victory laps and say oh, this just shows that trump isnt guilty . How is that reconciled with the whole idea the judicial system is rigged against him . They will be pushing two parallel narratives and it will be increasingly difficult for them to square as we head toward a general election. Speaking with logic. All right, now lets go to florida. Judge Aileen Cannon will hear arguments on his motions to throw out the classified documents case. As i said, she has been super friendly to him thus far. What should we expect . Tomorrow is the heart of the case i think. Donald trump has repeatedly said he was permitted to take these documents under the president ial records acts. He transferred them from Government Records to personal records. This is really a big issue in this case. I think it is a frivolous argument. The president ial records act itself was passed in the wake of watergate and the Nixon Administration to make it clear that Government Records belong to the people of the united states. They are not the personal property of the president. So this argument is nonsense but tomorrow we will hear the argument. If she follows the law properly, this is an argument that should be defeated. Then this case looks to be in good shape for trial and it will be impossible for donald trump to continue this narrative that i had every right to keep these documents. John, we do not air trump rallies but tomorrow, he is likely to attend the hearing in front of this judge. She has been really friendly to him and most likely on the course steps, he will turn this into an ad hoc trump rally. Is this the Campaign Gold as absurd as it is that they like . There are two pieces to what trump has to do. He has to keep the sight around this idea that he is being persecuted by prosecution. The other is to make a persuasive argument to swing voters they should go for him instead of biden. So tomorrow is something that serves that. I dont think. And certainly time has not proven that logical consistency is the priority of donald trump or his campaign. So, i think they will celebrate the victories and at the same time, continue to make this argument that he is being treated unfairly and being persecuted by his political enemies. The other argument will be more about the issues at hand. I want to play this clip of what fox news anchor judge janine said on her air earlier. To a person, the democrats spent the whole day saying donald trump obstructed. Well, news flash, donald trump was not charged with obstructing. News flash. No, maam. For facts sake, donald trump is facing obstruct charges in two of his four criminal trials. The florida documents case and the federal election interference case. The lie was so blatant even twitter had to put a fact check on the post with that clip. So my question to you, is the right hoping to flood the zone with lies to just, a montage of lies to people believe it or tune out from exhaustion . You know, that has been the messaging strategy of the pro trump right for the past eight years. I have reported a lot on Disinformation Strategies used in liberal countries around the world and one of the strategies you see time and time again, to johns point, the claims dont always have to be consistent. They dont have to push a coherent narrative. They will be pumping out misinformation. Different ideas. Conspiracy theories, lies. Propaganda, constantly. Even if they are contradictory, the idea is to exhaust people. To confuse them and make people tune out. And when it comes to these charges trump is facing, i think we are going to see a lot of people if Trumps Campaign is successful to start to tune out the noise around the trials because they cant follow all of it. If that happens, that will be a victory for trump. Barb, lets go back to what trump is dealing with in new york because this question has been eating away at me for three days. The judge here accepted trumps 91 million bond in the e. Jean carroll case. That has me thinking back to the conflicts of interest concerns we had from trumps first term in office, we were concerned about who gave him business loans. The National Security risks. Shouldnt those concerns be higher now that people are covering his legal costs and liabilities . Absolutely. Who is coughing up this money for him to be able to post this bond . Same in the attorney generals case where the bond is going to be you know, into the tune of 400 something million dollars. When a person in Public Office is beholden to someone for a debt, there are concerns that person can be compromised. You know, i myself submitted to many Background Checks and i participated in interviews for the Background Check of other people. One of the questions you were asking when getting a Security Clearance is whether you paid your debts. You live beyond your means, anyone had any leverage over you. It is dangerous to National Security when someone has something over your head. You are likely to curry favor with them. You can be extorted or blackmailed so this is a legitimate issue for the public and the press to be exploring. It is an issue. But here is what is crazy. Its legal again. Do you not remember five six years ago how much reporting we tried to do to figure out who ultimately were trumps lenders . Because we were trying to figure out who could have something on him . When joe biden won, we heard they were going to close all these loopholes and now here we are. Its worse. It is not even swiss cheese but a big hole. He is just swan diving through it. Yeah. That concern exists. There is really an excellent point there. Anybody who owes a tremendous amount of money to anybody else is potentially conflicted. And in so many cases we have seen them conflicted. So well have to see how this goes on. I recall reporting. Because money talks. It sure does. You got the money. You got the control. Great to see you all. We are also following a very serious and Important News story out of haiti tonight. The u. S. Has sent in reenforcements. Haitis Prime Minister stepped down in the face of rising unrest. Here is my colleague Gabe Gutierrez with more. Reporter tonight, with haiti in utter chaos, a new team of marines has been sent to protect the u. S. Embassy. This is what Hell On Earth sounds like. A Terrifying Gun Battle Captured On a cell phone. Another american says an armed gang kicked her out of her home and threatened to kill her if she went back. We are so frightened for our lives. We cant ever go back home. Reporter she is desperately trying to escape and meet up with her family in miami. But the border and the airports are shut down. Also trapped, Best Selling Author mitch album. Visiting an orphanage husband charity runs in haiti. Then a stealth private Helicopter Mission rescued him and orphaned staffers. The fear is that the gangs will shoot at the helicopters. They have all done that. We were all on top of each other. A big ball of humanity. The door closed and we were up in the air in the dark. And flying. Reporter haitis Prime Minister just said he would step down as soon as a new Interim Government took over. But a notorious gang leader known as barbecue is calling for civil war. Here in the neighboring dominican republic, they are stopping Desperate Haitians from coming and in florida the governor is deploying extra Law Enforcement and drones in anticipation of a possible Migrant Influx from haiti. It is extraordinary. Dominican republic is on the same island as haiti. It is a boat ride from miami. As gabe said, it is like Hell On Earth. When we come back, the new look the rnc is suing michigan Secretary Of State over what they call inflated voter rolls. We are here. And later, a discussion with three Police Chiefs from around the country. The real story about crime in america. Well breakthrough the noise and lay out what is happening. 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The rnc sued michigans top election official to purge voter rolls in the key Battleground State and the rnc hired new election lawyers including christina bogg. A big lie boosting member of trumps 2020 legal team. It is becoming apparent that donald trump crushed joe biden in the election. It is treasonous for our federal government to take away our rights and hide it from us and lie about it and rig an election and install an illegitimate president. That is what happened. Whats this womans title in the rnc . Senior counsel for Election Integrity. Back with me tonight to discuss, ron, Midas Touch Editor and chief. And, ron, what do you make of this move . Secretary of state benson called it a meritless lawsuit filled with baseless accusations that seek to diminish peoples faith and security of our elections. This is a fairly routine thing. Almost every state has more people on their voter rolls than voters. Because especially in the case of michigan, you have a lot of people in michigan that retire and move to florida, southern states. Die, et cetera. They have been removing people off the rolls but the bigger story is christina, what you just said. I cover right wing media so i have known christina a long time since she was a Field Correspondent at oan. And she has one Conspiracy Theory after another. I posted a clip on twitter from 2022 right before the midterms. Where she was very excited about the republicans taking over the house. She had a plan she was going to pitch to them to reinstate donald trump to the presidency in 2023. She had a way the house could do that. That is Christina Bobb and she is in charge of Election Integrity at the rnc. She pushes big fat lies and a Guy On Chief Council is charlie spies. The fact that he is there, does that give you any sense of security . How do you feel about all this . I think charlie is a real lawyer. I have a lot of respect for charlie. I dont know if he will be a problem there. He wasnt a big lie guy. He accepted what the election said. The person will be running their rnc is a Campaign Manager for trump. A serious political operative. The rest of this is window dressing. The problem republicans have is n

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