After team trumps takeover. Plus, the new lawsuit in michigan over the states voter rolls. Then, crime has become a Major Political talking point. So tonight, we are separating fact from fiction. Our Spotlight Conversation with three Police Chiefs from across the country as the 11th hour gets underway on this wednesday night. Good evening once again, im Stephanie Ruhle live from msnbc headquarters in New York City and we are now 237 days away from the election. Today, a georgia judge threw out six counts in the election interference case involving donald trump. Three were against trump himself. The rest were against his codefendants including mark meadows and rudy giuliani. One of those counts that was thrown out was directly tied to trumps phone call to georgia Secretary Of State urges him to find more votes. The judge said the counts in Question Quote lacked sufficient detail. Her office declined to comment. We are still of course waiting on the judges ruling about whether willis herself should be disqualified for the case because of her relationship with one of her prosecutors. That decision is expected this week. Donald trumps attorney praised the judges decision and said the entire case should be dismissed. Trump of course is facing ten other counts in the sprawling georgia rico case and in total faces 88 Felony Counts spread across four upcoming trials. That is 88 more than any other former president. Remember that. First up, new york Hush Money Case Set to start in less than two weeks. But Donald Trumps team is fighting to delay it pending the supreme courts decision on president ial immunity. With that lets get starter with the help of our lead panel. John allen is here. Senior politics reporter for nbc news. Mccay coppins, a staff writer at the atlantic. And Barbara Quaid is here. Her new book, attack from within. Okay, lets start with these three counts. They could be refiled by fani willis. Put into context for us as the general Election Campaign gets officially underway. What he is facing on the legal front. He is facing something completely enprecedented in american history. A president of the United States facing not just 88 criminal charges but any criminal charge. If you can imagine that. This is is not something that put donald trump in the clear. Any day, he is facing so many court dates and so many criminal charges that he will have to have a lot of good days to beat all the raps. But, a good day for him to disappear for the moment. That could be refiled. But there is still plenty pending against him. Barb, the judge said the counts were not detailed enough about those violations. What do you think about that . When it comes to the call of the Secretary Of State looking for votes, we all heard that. What is interesting about the judges ruling, stephanie, is what h says is there are plenty of facts alleged. But the problem is their failure to articulate what law is violated. So there is a due process right so they can defend against the claim. What he says here is they are charged with soiliest it ising Public Officials who violate the Oath Of Office. That Oath Of Office says they will support and defend the constitution of the United States and georgia and what the judge says is they must specify which provisions of those two documents the government alleges were violated and so he said they can come back and refile as long as they specify the precise clauses in the constitution that they allege were filed so it is nothing to do with the substance of the charges. He even goes so far as to say the evidence cited here certainly remains part of this case. And can be brought up in the rico charges. And if the Georgia Prosecutor wants to, she could refile and fix this flaw. It is a form over substance kind of flaw. It is form over substance. The judge is not saying the underlying evidence isnt valid but team trump is going to run a major victory lap over this arent they . Yeah, of course. The tricky thing trump and his camp will have to confront here, the entire narrative they have been pushing is this is the greatest political persecution in history. The judicial system is being rigged against him. That this is a witch hunt. What will be interesting to watch is how they react when things like this happen. When judges act like judges. And there are developments in these cases that go their way. Are they going to be victory laps and say this shows that you know trump isnt guilty . How is that reconciled with the idea the whole judicial system is rigged . They will be pushing two kind of parallel narratives. And i think that it is going to be increasingly difficult for them to square as we head toward a general election. Speaking with logic. All right, barb, lets go to florida. Tomorrow, judge Aileen Con Nonwho has been extraordinarily friendly to the president , we will hear his motions to throw out the classified documents case. She has been super friendly to him thus far, what should we expect . Well tomorrow is really the heart of the case i think. Because donald trump has repeatedly said that he was permitted to take these documents under the president ial records act. That he transferred them from Government Records to personal records and therefore he was entitled to keep them. This is a really big issue in this case. I think it is a frivolous argument, the president ial records act itself was passed in the wake of watergate and the Nixon Administration to clarify and make it clear that Government Records belong to the people of the United States. They are not the personal property of the president. And so i think this argument is nonsense. But tomorrow, we will hear the arguments from these lawyers and the judge will make a decision on this. And i think that if she follows the law properly, it seems to me this is an argument that should be defeated and i think this case then looks to be in good shape for trial and it will be impossible for donald trump to continue this narrative. John, we do not air trump rallies. But tomorrow he is likely to attend the hearing in front of this judge. She has been really friendly to him. Most likely on the courthouse steps he will turn this into an ad hoc trump rally. Is this the Campaign Gold as absurd as it is that they like . One thing will be tomorrow. Which is to keep his basic side around the idea that he was being persecuted by prosecution. The other is to make a persuasive argument to swing voters they should go to him instead of biden. So tomorrow serves the base group. I dont think. And certainly time has not proven that logical consistency is the priority of donald trump or his campaign. This is a base argument. The other argument is going to be more about the issues at hand in the campaign. We always say the truth matters but only if you see it. So i want to play this clip of what fox news anchor judge janine said on her air earlier. To a person, the democrats spent the whole day saying donald trump obstructed. Well, news flash, donald trump is not charged with obstructing. News flash. No, maam. For fact sake, donald trump is facing Obstruction Charges in two of his four criminal trials. The florida documents case and the federal election interference case. The lie was so blatant even twitter had to put a fact check on the post with that clip. So my question to you is, is the right hoping to flood the zone with lies, a montage of lies and people either believer it or tune out from exhaustion. You know, that has been the messaging strategy of the pro trump right the past eight years. I have reported a lot on Disinformation Strategies used in liberal countries around the worldment one of the strategies you see time and time again, the claims dont always have to be consistent. They dont have to push a coherent narrative. They will just be pumping out misinformation. Different ideas, conspiracy theories, lies, propaganda, constantly. Even if they are contradictory, even if they dont all fit together neatly. The idea is to exhaust people. When it comes to these, all those charges that trump is facing, i think we are going to see a lot of people, if the right is successful, if Trumps Campaign is successful, just start to tune out the noise around the trials because they cant follow all of it. And if that happens, that will be a victory for trump. Barb, lets go back to what trump is dealing with in new york because this question has been eating away at me for three days. The judge here pepped trumps 91 million bond in the e. Jean carroll case. That has me thinking back to all the Conflict Of Interest concerns we had in his first term in office. Who gave his business loans. Who he was beholden to. Shouldnt the same concerns be even higher now that people are covering his personal legal cost and liabilities . Absolutely. Who is coughing up this money for him to post this bond . Same in the attorney generals case where the bond will be to the tune of 400 something million dollars. When a person in Public Office is beholden to someone for a debt, there are concerns that the person can be compromised. You know, i myself submitted to many Background Checks and i participated in interviews for the Background Checking of other people. And one of the consistent questions you were asked when you were getting a Security Clearance was whether you paid your debt to live beyond your means. You owed people money. Anyone had any leverage of you or any basis for which you could be blackmailed because it is incredibly dangerous to National Security when someone has something over your head. You are likely to curry favor with them. You can be extorted or blackmail. You can do favors for people. I think this is a very legitimate issue for the public and the press to be exploring in this campaign season. Okay, it is an issue, but john, here is what is crazy. Its legal again. Do you not remember five or six years ago how much reporting we tried to do to figure out who ultimately were trumps lenders . We were trying to figure out who could have something on him . We heard democrats say we will close so many loopholes that the president will be never in this position again where there could be these kind of conflicts. Now here we are, its worse. Yeah. The loopholes have been expanded. And basically it is not even swiss cheese, just a big hole. Just swan diving through it. And, look. Yeah. I mean that exists barb made great points. I hope folks go out and read your book. But, i think there is really an excellent point there. Anyone who owns a tremendous amount of money to anyone else is potentially conflicted and in so many cases we have seen them be conflicted. It is pure leverage that exists in perpetuity. So well have to see how this goes on. But i do to your point very much recall doing a lot of reporting on who trump borrowed money from. Great to see you all. We are also following this story. Here is Gabe Gutierrez with more on the situation in haiti. Reporter tonight with haiti in utter chaos, a new team of u. S. Marines has been sent to protect the american embassy. This is what Hell On Earth sounds like. A nighttime gun battle in port auprince captured on a terrified bystanders cell phone. Another woman, Haitian American shari says an armed gang kicked her out of her home and threatened to kill her if she went back. We are so frightened for our lives. We can never go back home. Reporter she is now desperately trying to escape and meet up with her family in miami. But the border and the airports are shut down. Also, suddenly trapped, Best Selling Author Mitch Album visiting an orphanage his charity runs in haiti. Then, a harrowing escape. A stealth private Helicopter Mission rescued album and volunteers. The fear is that the gangs will shoot at the helicopters. They have done that. We were all on top of each other, a big ball of humanity. Not in the seats. Within 60 seconds we were in the air in the dark. Reporter haitis Prime Minister said he would step down as soon as a new Interim Government took over. But a notorious gang leader known as barbecue is calling for civil war. Here in the neighboring dominican republic, the government is stopping Desperate Haitians from coming. And in florida, the governor is already deploying extra Law Enforcement and drones. In anticipation of a possible Migrant Influx from haiti. It is extraordinary. Dominican republic is on the same island as haiti. It is a boat ride from miami. And as gabe said, it is like Hell On Earth. When we come back. The new look at the suing of the Secretary Of State over inflated voter rolls. And later, a discussion with three Police Chiefs around the country. The real story about crime in america. Well breakthrough the noise and lay out what is actually happening. The 11th hour just getting underway on a wednesday night. Underway on a wednesday night. Shingles. Some describe it as an intense burning sensation, or an unbearable itch. This painful, blistering rash can disrupt your life for weeks and could make it hard to be there for your loved ones. Shingles could also lead to serious complications that can last for years. If youre over 50, the virus that causes shingles is likely already inside you. And as you age, your risk of developing shingles increases. Dont wait. Ask your doctor or pharmacist about shingles today. My name is oluseyi ask your doctor or pharmacist and some of my favorite moments throughout my life are watching sports with my dad. Now, i work at comcast as part of the team that created our ai highlights technology, which uses ai to detect the major plays in a sports game. Giving millions of fans, like my dad and me, new ways of catching up on their favorite sport. It is quite a week for the newly trumpified Republican National committee. There were mass layoffs and the rnc sued michigans top election official purge voter rolls. The rnc hired some new election lawyers. Including Christina Bobb. Do you remember that name . A big lie boosting member of trumps 2020 legal team. It is becoming glaringly apparent that donald trump absolutely crushed joe biden in the election. It is treasonous for our federal government to take away our rights and hide it from us and lie about it and rig an election and stall an illegitimate president. What is this womans title in the rnc . Senior counsel for Election Integrity. Back with me to discuss. Ron, editor and chief of midas touch and stewart from the mitt romney and george w. Bush president ial campaigns. Ron, what do you make of this move . Secretary of state benson called it a meritless lawsuit that sought to anyone herb peoples faith in security of the elections. This is a fairly routine thing. Almost every state has more voter rolls than voters. You have people who retire, move to southern states. They have been removing people all the rolls but the bigger story is Christina Bobb. I cover right wing media so i have known her a long time since she was a Field Correspondent at oan. And she has one Conspiracy Theory after another. I recently posted a clip on twitter where from 2022 right before the midterms, where she was very excited about the republicans taking over the house because she had a plan she was going to pitch to them to reinstate donald trump to the presidency in 2023. She had a way that the house could do that. Thats Christina Bobb and she is in charge of Election Integrity at the rnc. So this woman pushes big fat lies. That is scary. However, the new Chief Council is a guy named charlie spies. He worked on the Mitt Romney O8Campaign Like you. The fact he is there, does that give you any sense of security . How do you feel about all this . Well i think charlie is a real lawyer. I have a lot of respect for charlie. He wasnt a big lie guy. He accepted what the election said. The person running it will be chris. The problem republicans have is not that too many dead people are voting. It is that not enough live people are voting for them. And, you know, i worked in the elections for decades. Voter fraud does not exist on any serious level. It is sort of like saying elephantitis is a bigger problem than cancer so we will replace the National Cancer institute with the national elephantitis institute. Its just crazy. The problem we have is getting people to vote when it is legal. Not illegal. It is not a felony that people wake up and want to commit. By the rnc doing this, doesnt it pave way to sow doubt in elections where you have a whole lot more fired up americans headed int