To join mike on the weekend tomorrow and Sunday Morning at 8 a. M. Eastern and that is to nice reid out. All in with chris hayes starts now. Tonight on all in. Will you be endorsing your former prize and president . It should come as no surprise i will not be supporting donald trump this year. The team here was remarkable and finally gave me a smile that i can be proud of. Tonight the unbelievable importance of trumps running mate. He understands that the devil is in the details so he puts his brilliant daughterin law in charge of apparatus. Indicted expresident does not get what he is looking for in georgia. I just want to find 11,000 780 11,780 votes. And why the white house is now openly calling for the maga to give up on impeachment. All in starts now. Good evening from new york, im chris hayes. Say what you will about mike pence and we have on this program. His politics are pandering. Even during covid he could be seen gazing into admiration of the boss man, but the one good thing was refusing to sign on to a coup attempted by trump and today we learned he is not on board with coup part to either. Will you be endorsing your former president . Well, martha, i appreciate the question and it should come as no surprise that i will not be endorsing donald trump this year. I mean it comes as something of a surprise to be honest, all it takes to break the cycle of servility is surviving a violent trump mob. Despite the risk to life and limb into american democracy there are still lots of people ready to throw their neck into the ring to join Donald Trumps ticket. Various names came up. One of them was ron desantis, vivek ramaswany, tim scott. Are they all on your short list . Yeah, sure whatever. I will go out on a limb and say it will not be ron desantis. You are getting a Very Perverse Competition Taking Place On Right Wing Airways and social media although you can apparently take it too far. One contender until last week was alabama senator katie britt but her bizarre widely panned and completely debunked state of the Union Address to earn her more points with Comedy Writers than with the trump team. Lets focus on those that are bent over backwards to kiss the maga ring. You have to begin with South Carolina senator tim scott. Started last april when he was testing the waters for a president ial run. I am announcing today that i am running for president of the United States of america. When i go back to iowa it will not be as a president ial candidate, i am suspending my campaign. Didnt last that long since losing the race in November Scott had a very busy couple months finding what he says was the love of his life at church and proposing to her on the beach with a photographer until, something only trump remarked on as he could. Today was the biggest story, he is engaged to be married. We never thought this was going to happen, whats going on . If you win the trump tim scott has the inside track. Here was his audition tape last night on fox. If there is anyone paying attention to the details in 2024 it is donald trump. He understand that the devil is in the details so he puts his brilliant daughterinlaw in charge of our orange the apparatus of the rnc apparatus. At the end of the day you want the ball in the hands of the best player on the field. That player is donald trump. I love everything about that. It is not just scott, there are other senators in contention like jd vance in ohio. Vance is campaigning for trump and says the former president has changed his mind. Would you have certified the Election Results had you been Vice President . If i have been Vice President i would have told the states that we needed to have multiple slates of electors and i think the u. S. Congress should have fought over it from there. Fought over it, that is a great idea. Despite that neither vance nor trump nor scott may be his pick. The conventional wisdom suggested trump might look to court women voters by putting one on his ticket. Trump says he liked the concept which brings us to south dakota governor Christie Noem. You remember she ran ads during the president ial debates for herself. South dakota state Open For Business during the pandemic. Now we have more jobs than people. So im feeling hit in until you get here. That aired during an issue where she was not participating in any elections but that donald trump might have been watching. He is looking for a Vice President. Noem has been very obviously auditioning for this role but in a strange term it appears she is endorsing a texas dentist on social media doing ads like this. You high, im Christie Noem and i had an opportunity to come to smile texas to fix my teeth. I think i chose the team here because they are the best. I love that my bite is better. Great, good for you. Noem is now being consumed by a Consumer Group for not declaring the relationship with that dentist. I like insoles as much as the next guy but at least that company is in her state so it makes sense. Not exactly Vice President ial unless you are an expresident who is caught only drifting the public donald trump has a lot of yes women and men vying for his attention but as we learned with mike pence it really matters who the Vice President could be especially if the president is going david jolly former republican congressman from florida and they both join me now. David, you have served with a number of these people in congress and im curious if your assessment of this sort of race to most intensely flatter donald trump and to be the most servile in your performance for him. Yes, fascinating matchup because there is a contrast that comes to mind from the 2016 veepstakes and it shows where the party is today. Recall in 2016 donald trump even after clinching the nomination wouldnt get the endorsement of the speaker paul ryan, previous nominees mitt romney, they were not with him. And so mike pence came in as the person who moderated donald trump and was going to be safe and make sure donald trump didnt get the nation in trouble. All of those ideas are out the window now. Now it is not just to can enfeeble themselves most two donald trump but who is willing to accelerate and Amplify Trumpism and the very dangerous things. I think the scary thing is the weakness of all the Vice President candidates for their willingness to amplify donald trump. I would say among them Christie Noem is more riskaverse than anyone else and is probably more willing to stand in the shadows and for that there might be some appeal because ultimately the weakest on the stages donald trump looking for one of these candidates and he may indeed be threatened by the big image of some of the other candidates. That point that david just made, amanda, i am not a big mike pence fan, his performance in the administration was abysmal, but when the chips were down on this one extremely important question, an existential question he did the right thing and now he is also true to that word and commitment not endorsing trump. It does highlight how important the guy is 78 years old. Who ends up in the position matters a tremendous amount. Yeah and what mike pence did today is really going to give anyone who is considering being donald trump snacks Vice President something to think about and you can kind of see Christie Noems reaction, she reacted on twitter or she put out the reaction, what are you thinking . There is a lesson for you to be learned from it only listen to the things in his life that mike pence has lived. I agree that he has a lot to answer for, but today he went and said this, he didnt put out a tweet or statement, he went on fox news on my tv. He also said it after the primaries are effectively over. He didnt do this thing where he said i will support soand so for now but eventually support the nominee. I think he means it and i think it is really important because if you look the trajectory of mike pence, who did more to tie to polish the ticket and the merits of the accomplishments of the trumpet mike pence legacy in the aftermath of january 6th . He spent a lot of time trying to pick up the part in trying to carve a path forward and for some reason i dont think it was tiktok he woke up today and decided i cant do it anymore. Today is a day i am walking away and he is not just walking away from donald trump, he has invested a lot into this project. He has a think tank thing, they go around and try to talk to big donors, their life is trying to breathe life into the next republican administration, whatever that might be in today he said no, that is a huge big deal. It is a great point. There was some reporting that tiktok mentioned that they had differing views on a number of issues including the tiktok band and also whether mike pence should be also a crucial area of difference between them on that argument. Tim miller pointed this out which is striking. It is so revealing to me and it sort of i cant get my head around how little understood this is, but so many people that have been the closest to him, Vice President , chief of staff, this is tim millers list, vp, chief of staff, defense secretary, to Homeland Security secretaries, to National Security advisers, the guy is unfit and authoritarian, these are not enemies these people were the closest to him. Mike pence the most senior of those joining that chorus today, david. The next thing they need to say is that is why i am voting for joe biden because what is missing in this coalition is the affirmative support for joe biden and i realize how hard that is but you cannot actually say that donald trump is a threat to the country and that he is somehow unfit and the answer is to withhold your vote from him and hope everything works out, thats not good enough if anything thats patting your own legacy and letting you sleep well but the really way to really change the direction its for this coalition of people who know donald trump the best, served closest to him to lead a pro biden coalition. That doesnt mean you need to turn into a democrat or vote for a democrat in 2028 but in this election the x Essential Question is biden versus trump and biden protect the country Going Forward. On the people who are not endorsing trump i think it is particularly significant. 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Today the judge came out with his ruling he did not destroy the case, he didnt order willis off the case which was a possibility, instead the judge said the case could proceed but ruled that either wade or willis would have to step aside. Willis is staying on the case. Even as this hurdle is cleared there is a number of questions about the timing Going Forward and the potential for former appeals. Charles coleman served as a prosecutor in new york and now practice practices as a civil rights attorney. Let me start with you catherine on the judges order out of Fulton County today. Judge mcafee had a trial to see if the Defense Attorneys could meet a burden to show a Conflict Of Interest between fahmy willis and nathan wade that would pinch or disqualify her. What did you think of the ruling . The standard should have been a natural Conflict Of Interest. I always said if that was the standard there would be a lot of elect to d. A. S qualified. He did find there was significant impropriety and there was. A very stinging decision. He said she testified in an unprofessional manager. So she won because she is not disqualified, but it was very critical of her and of course mr. Wade had to leave which he should have a long time ago quite frankly and as soon as they start a romantic relationship as soon as the motion was filed but she gets to keep the case. One more followup to you was about pretrial appeals of this decision again. Because the pacing is so important, typically Something Like this might be brought up postconviction appeals, do they have any avenue . They may be able to take in interlocked verdict appeal. This case is not getting tried before the election and even without this it wouldnt have been tried. The appeal could be next year. I want to add to that is we dont know whether there has been referrals made to the Georgia State bar around ethics because when you talk about the legal professional ramifications of Something Like this the standard around the appearance of impropriety becomes much more relevant in this context. I fully expect that they will try to go after her and him for that matter in a different venue which would be more appropriate then where they did here. Judge found there was no actual conflict of the relationship. The d. A. Required a personal stake the defendants claim of an actual conflict must be denied, that was the finding. Lets move to this alvin bragg craziness. You are in that office, right . It appears like they had a huge discovery from the Southern District of new York Federal Prosecutors Office that has now delayed them. What are the ramifications of this delay . It is shocking. The United StatesAttorneys Office knowing how big a case this is, knowing that the trial was on march 25th would do this 30,000 Page Document dump this week, 15,000 more documents today. It is not surprising that this Southern District of new york and manhattan d. A. S office do not have a warm and fuzzy relationship. That was my experience there. I think alvin bragg said they would treat him differently. Robert walton drop was and they didnt treat him differently. The prosecutor in new york have very stringent discovery requirements. They have to give over everything in their file with some exceptions. They also have to show that they were diligent and made good faith effort to get items from an office that is not in their present control, the Southern District. Did they do that . Do they say okay or do they take it further and thats what the hearing will be about. So there is still a question about when and if this trial goes what would have been the trial date will now be discussed around the future of this case. Ofd is something that has prosecutors you know particularly in