Candidacy. Well, i appreciate that, rory kennedy. Best of luck with the documentary. You can watch it tonight at hbo. That is tonights readout. Inside tonight with jen psaki starts now. Good evening from washington, im Michael Steele in for my friend jen psaki who is wrapping up a well deserved vacation and will be back with you next week. We have a lot to cover tonight so settle in. I do want to begin with a headline. Trump employs images of violence as political fuel for Reelection Fight. Now you might be thinking, yeah, i saw this over the weekend. After all, donald trump posted a video on his social media depicting President Biden with his hands and feet tied up in the back of a pickup truck. And at the same time on that same site, trump not only lashed out at the judge presiding over his trial but also at the judges daughter. So yeah, i would say he is employing images of violence in his Reelection Fight right now. That headline is not from over the weekend. It is from september of 2020, almost four full years ago. And the fact that it very well could have been published today should serve as a stark reminder that donald trump has always been this guy. Hes halls been the guy who glorify political violence, always been the guy who operates outside of the typical norms of politics, business, and law, who twists the systems into pretzels any chance he gets. He has always been the guy who breaches protocol more times than he has abided by it. Just because he has done all of these things before doesnt mean we should normalize it or even be numb to it. And manhattan d. A. Alvin bragg sure isnt becoming numb to it. No, hes not. Later today, Attorney Bragg urged the court to push back on trumps behavior. He wants the judge in the criminal Hush Money Case to expand the gag order to also protect Family Members of Trial Participants. He writes that trumps dangerous violent and reprehensible rhetoric fundamentally threatens the integrity of the proceedings and is intended to intimidate witnesses and Trial Participants alike. He points out that there is no constitutional right toing target the family of the court. Defendant knows what he is doing and everyone else does too. And we all know that is very true because we have seen it with our own eyes. Trump has brought violence to our politics and he has brought disorder to our legal system. He has turned every courtroom he enters and there have been many, into a circus. Using hallways like a soap box to spew outrageous and inflammatory lies. He is in effect putting his trials on trial. He has intimidated witnesses, violated gag orders and has relentlessly attacked anyone holding him accountable, including judge juan marshen and his daughter who is a private citizen. At the end of the day, we know afshg we need to know about donald trump. We know who he is. Despite all his bad behavior, these judges are still giving him the benefit of the doubt as if he were an ordinary defendant. No one else, no one else could ever get away with the crap that donald trump gets away with. He is acting like a visceral animal in politics, business, and law. Thats the constant. Thats the one thing we know. That is not changing. So enough is enough. The system now needs to adapt to the thing in front of it before it is consumed by that very thing. On that point, we have breaking news. Judge mar shon has decided with Attorney Bragg moments ago. He expanded the gag order to include Family Members of the court and the d. A. s office. Joining me now is mary mccourt, Forming Acting Assistant Attorney General for National Security at the justice department. Also with us is former federal prosecutor glen kirschner. Let me start with you, glen. The d. A. Just came back with the ruling. He has been scouring over the paper here. What did you find in this and what should we know about what the judge has done . I would say predictably, the judge expandsed the gag order to include Family Members of the judge, court staff, prosecutors office. Thats wonderful. Donald trump is laboring under a hat trick of shut up because there are three gag orders in place over time. Judge chutkan, judge engorren and now the Hush Money Case but i call it the 2016 election interference case that includes Hush Money Payments that were covered up with false Business Records has it helped . You said donald trump is putting his trials on trial. He is putting the Criminal Justice to the test and the system is failing. I say that because you just read the first sentence from the motion filed by Attorney Bragg. It reads defendants dangerous, violent rhetoric fundamentally threatens the integrity of the proceedings and intended to intimidate witnesses and Trial Participants alike including this court. To this prosecutor, the only sentence that makes sense coming after that assertion, therefore the people are moving for pretrial detention. Listen, we have four criminal cases across four jurisdictions. There are different rules in every jurisdiction but the fact that no judge and no prosecutor has stepped up to put a stop to trumps dangerous rhetoric is a real problem. And mary, thats where glen put his finger on the pulse of what irritates the heck out of me about all of this. That sentence should follow the beginning of that. What is your take on the judges expansion of the gag order . And how do you see other judges in other trials that trump is before assessing the dealing with the ruling . I think the reason he expanded the gag order was less about his daughter and more about the message trump gets if he doesnt expand it, more about the message that potential jurors get if he doesnt expand it. I think he is now very worried. This is something that the d. A. Raised in their papers, very worried that people will be extremely reluctant to serve as jurors. Witnesses are going to start to become reluctant, and maybe even be nervous about telling the truth on the stand because they feel they are targeted, jurors, witnesses, Trial Participants, as well as their families. To me, this was the judge saying, look, ive got to take this step here to send a message that the administration of justice will not be impinged by this conduct of donald trump. He also says we are not in a David And Goliath situation where the government is all powerful because trump himself has a bully pulpit about as substantial as any. Right. So lets pick up on the bully pulpit idea. What Donald Trumps lawyers have argued is that he has the constitutional protection of free speech to say these things, to go after mefrpens daughter. How does that factor into this ruling and it is an element that prevents what glen says should happen next from happening . There is no question that defendants have First Amendment rights but the rights can be contrained when you are in a courtroom facing a trial in a criminal case and civil case. The Supreme Court has been clear about that. Its the obligation of the judge to ensure that the defendants behavior will not impact the administration of justice. That could be through things like gag orders. It is through other restraints too. The point is you have to ensure that the defendant gets a fair trial but that means the public and the government get a fair trial as well. It works both ways. One of the things that glen pointed out and we have talked about in other shows, the judges, even when they issued the gag orders, in the two criminal cases, they did not make those part of the conditions of release and required trump to sign that he understands the conditions, now expanded and if he violates them, his release can be revoked. Instead, the remedies here are things like Contempt Of Court for violating court order. Now that can result in time in jail so it is not toothless. But for those of us former prosecutors, it is unusual that these restrictions on speech were not Just Incorporated into the conditions of release. So donald trump will violate this gag order in three, two, one. When that happens, what happens . Mary points out that you dont have the defendant deciding, okay, i acknowledge this and all this can happen to me. How do you see this playing out when this happens because you know it will . Financial fines and who cares . There were some minor fans put in place in the civil case when he violated the gag order. I agree with mary. Entheory, you can be held in contempt and confined for a brief period of time. But i go back to the fundamentals of the law. The Law Orderinarily says when you are a defendant on pretrial release, particularly in serious felony cases and donald trump has four serious felony cases, if there is clear and convincing evidence that you pose a danger to the community or even one person in the community, you can be detained pending trial to neutralize the threat. Can i push on that point. You pose a danger to the community. People when they hear that, they are think thinking this guy is a violent actor, someone who has harmed someone and now being prosecuted. This is in one sense, a situation where there is no physical harm. It is just donald trump running his mouth and saying crazy stuff that may or may not result with some idiot picking up some action. How does that get squared by the court in a situation like this where that language at least intew tivly to someone that is listening to it from outside of the system would say, that would refer to someone who has raped someone or shot someone, or done physical harm to someone. Yeah, so let me rely on what one of the Appellate Court judges said not two blocks from here do the d. C. Court of appeals when Donald Trumps lawyer made that point. Wait a minute, hes not responsible for what his supporters do after he posts something and the judge said wait a minute. There is a clear pattern here. Donald trump posts the name of a witness and threats ensue. He knows this. He cant disavow it. It is what he intends by posting the names and photos, not to mention he was seen holding a Baseball Bat Midswing at the prosecutors head. So lets not say, these arent crimes of violence. Donald trump is all about violence. Hes just using his words to accomplish his ends. So what does that mean for average joe and jane out there who is a potential juror in one of these trials. They are seeing this and hearing this and i really get what glenn is saying about anticipating that and saying everything is off limits now, family, court clerks, and all of that. Does that really give some solace to a potential jury pool . Or should i put Something Else in my coffee . So thats what judge merchan is trying to do. The defendant is ordered that a violation of the order will result in sanctions which are the contempt sanctions. He is trying to send a message, i take this seriously. Dont be worried joe and jane potential jurors because we will take action. I dont know if that is good enough. We will see what donald trump does. To your point in the opening about violence and to glenns point, i think what we are on right now is a slow or not so slow development of a long range of incitement to violence. We have the photos of President Biden and the hog tied and kidnapping in the back of the truck. We have incendiary, violent remarks about witnesses, prosecutors, and judges. And this is all about getting his base ready to take action. And you know, unfortunately, our law doesnt protect incitement to imminute violence. But that violence, he wants it to come. Thats why he is doing it. And i think there is a high likelihood that it will come. Imminence is really hard to judge with a man like donald trump. All right. Thank you guys very much for being here at the moment it all pops. Really appreciate it. Coming up, more breaking news, donald trump has just posted his bond in his new york civil fraud case. Tristan snell is standing by, former Assistant Attorney General in new york. He joins me in about 60 seconds. Joins me in about 60 seconds. Im thinking. speaking to self about our honeymoon. What about africa . Safari . Hot air balloon ride . Swim with elephants . 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He is also the author of the book taking down trump, 12 rules for Prosecuting Trump by someone who did it successfully. Tristan, thank you for joining us. I know you are just pouring through the filing. But what stands out to you and what are you finding . Well, first off, im still trying to get information as you are. I really hope that is 175 million and not is 175,000. That was way to low in my opinion. I think the Appeals Court botched this by letting him get off the hook and being able to post much less and giving him more time to do it. As i said i can it is akin to taking a team that was going to lose a Basketball Game by 40 points and giving them 5 more minutes to play and lowering the hoop from 10 feet down to 6. It shouldnt have happened. Now we see where it gets us. So just to clarify for everyone, it is 175 million. So where does this take us now in the appeals process . What does it look like . What should we be expecting . Look, there was always a chance in this situation that the court would lower the amount that trump would have to pay. There is also a chance that they could vacate or overturn the judgment entirely. The odds of that are lower. I think there is an absolute mountain of evidence supporting the finding of fraud in this case. It is possible and now it looks likely that the Appeals Court will lower the award down from 464 million down to something that i still hope is going to be north of 175 million. We have to remember something here. Ever dollar that trump is being asked to pay now is a dollar that he shouldnt have been lent to begin with and would not have been lent if it were not for all of his lies. How does this play out with other folks out there in the Financial Markets looking at this whole process . Given that there are other scenarios in which trump could be held liable, how does this 175 million bond when the judgment was at 454 million get reconciled . What is the rest of the story with respect to the difference between what was awarded and versus what he has to put up for a bond . Yeah, look. I think anyone who is looking to lend trump money or underwrite anything for him right now has got to be looking at this and saying what next . It is not a great situation for him overall. If you have other different loans outstanding with him, how well is he going to be able to repay these . I think that ultimately, he is not going to win this appeal. He might get it lowered but i dont think he will win it. I dont think he will win the appeal against e. Jean carroll. I dont think that is happening. Again, that could get lowered a bit. I dont think it will get lowered to zero or anywhere close. If you lent money to donald trump and given his track record, i think that might not have been the best idea. You put that money to some other uses. Like all things with donald trump, how long will you think this is going to take . Is there something that we should be looking at being dragged out . Or is this something that could get turned around pretty quickly . Yeah. Donald trumps biggest weapon when he is trying to evade justice and i talk about this a ton in my book is delay. Ultimately all of the things he does, the distraction, clown car full of lawyers, what is he trying to do here, he is just throwing sands into the gears of justice to try to stop it from happening. Then he hopes this will cause other things to break his way. In the context of the election, he is hoping that it will allow him somehow to win and then be able to wave some sort of Magic Kingly Wand and monarch or dictator his way out of this. So i think he is going to try to delay the appeals for as long as he can. But critically, i think the ags office should be trying to seek expedited review of the case. Donald trump has already been moving money around. He moved 40 million out of the Trump Organization to pay private legal costs he had, a tax bill and some of the money he owes to e. Jean carroll. He did that against a court order in secret away from the eyes of the court order monitor. There is already a clear track record here that donald trump is the financial equivalent of a flight risk. He will try to make the money disappear. As a result the ags office should say we need to mov