Continue this terrible war ib again the palestinian people. That, a new gag order against donald trump, the only president ial candidate on trial. I got indicted more than alfons capone. Scarface. Election night in america as biden embraces choice and trump embraces church. November 5th is going to be, called something else, do you ed know what is going to be called . Christian visibility day, when christians turned out the numbers. And nobody has ever seen. Went all in starts right now. Good evening from new york, i am chris hayes. The u. S. Is unwavering support. Of the nettie prime government e in gaza has been a moral, political, and strategic failure. And it is long past time to change course israels war on gaza has raised for an almost six months now and one thing is abundantly clear, israels far right leader, Prime Minister intimate nettie prime has no incentive to stop the catastrophe. He needs the war to go on so he can remain in power. For the brutal hamas deadly as attacks on men, women, children , on october 7th, netanyahus long political career looks like it was crashing to an end. In an effort to avoid corruption charges he launched an all out attack on a corner store and israeli liberal democracy, cracking down on ther independence of its judges. That move spurred the longest, g biggest protest in israeli history. Then in october, hamas attacked and killed over 1000 people, most of them civilians in their homes, barricaded, desperate, at a concert it took more than 200 hostages back into gaza, and nettie prime, the man who has long claimed that he alone could protect israel oversaw the worst Security Failure in the nations history. And is really pulling shows that people believed him board. The political factions came together to form a wartime government with nettie prime at its head and at least until hamas was destroyed in the war could end and his legal and political fate could be decided. It was almost half a year ago. What has happened since then is a campaign that has been brutal in its civilian toll in gaza. Palestinians in gaza forced in mastiff leave their homes, disease and deprivation and hunger run rampant, approximately 32,000 civilians are amnow dead. 2 3 of whom are women and children, 32,000 are dead, 2 3 of which are women and children. Now at a point where just about every Aid Organization in the world, at least the ones active in the region, are screaming that hundreds of thousands of people in gaza are on the threshold of starvation. Now, the Israeli Government claims that there is no limit on aid going into gaza. Every organization involved in the provision of aid says that there is not enough getting in but israelis are slowing down aid and blocking theyre not an allowing enough food into gaza. The organization that assesses famine assesses the population of gaza as at higher risk of starvation. U. S. I. D. Administrator, savanna power, has said not enough. Food is getting in four months. We were just briefed by the officials, we just left gaza about the catastrophic levels of food insecurity. And the aid workers who, on the ground and gaza, are risking their lives to get food to people in desperate, desperate need those aid workers have to be protected in fact, the u. S. Has had to resort to the incredibly ordinary step of air dropping food. This is usually only done in the most horrible conflicts, when, for instance, your allies are surrounded, not the ones doing the surrounding. It was used to get aid to embattled folks at the top of a mountain who were surrounded by isis. The food drops themselves are incredibly inefficient, they proved insufficient. So the next plan announced with great fanfare, was to build a temporary dock on the water, on the Mediterranean Sea where u. S. Could help facilitate aid i deliveries because the check points are not allowing trucks through enough. And in the meantime, the World Central Kitchen founded by renowned chef, jose andres, who courted it to build a kind of temporary version, where food could come o in by ship, the ship from the mediterranean and be distributed in Northern Gaza which is where there is the most risk of famine, the hardest part to get food into. His charity has done similar ar work in all kinds of Disaster Areas or hurricanes, earthquakes, and war zones like ukraine. Three weeks ago he explained why he went to gaza. Of course we should be Ur Ringing Humanitarian Aid by boat. If there is a possibility, but what we cannot do is fail the people of gaza, that would be the true failure is not trying so we are trying. Please so World Central Kitchene got tons of food. I mean literally tons of food, they uploaded it from their ships, they unloaded it from their ships and they sent it to local headquarters for distribution in Northern Gaza. Yesterday the convoy of their trucks, marked as their trucks,d left that warehouse, driving through Northern Gaza their logo, clear as day on the top and 3 of their vehicles were hit by air launch missiles one after another after another in quick succession. The first one being hit, People Evacuating G the injured him after a second car, that being hit and then the third being hit. You killed seven aid workers, including a measure of the World Central Kitchen, actually cleared on msnbc late last month. Today, Prime MinisterBenjamin Nettie prime says the strikes werent intentional multiple is really they did precisely target the aid trucks, knowing they were eight trucks because they thought there was a militant writing in it. The idf releasing an unofficial statement tonight, saying, quote, it was a icmistake that followed a decided to vacation at night during a war, very complex conditions, it should not have happened today, National Security council spokesman, john kirby, from the, podium pushed back on reports israelis knew they were hitting an aid truck. Your question presumes, at this very early hour, that it was a deliberate strike, that they knew exactly what they k were hitting, that they were hitting aid workers and did it on purpose and there is no evidence of that. World central kitchen is now pausing, understandably, the risk is just too great. Other aid groups, the risk of Ps Mass Starvation looms as intense as ever. Is all only ends when the Israeli Government, which is led by Benjamin Nettie prime, d says it is. And that is not sitting well with many israelis, including many families of the october 7th hostages, about 100 of their loved ones remain in hamas custody and gaza in this besieged territory where they too are in danger. And some of the Family Members of those hostages were among the tens of thousands of te israelis who took to the streets in massive protests against nettie prime over the weekend. The largest since the attacks la of October 7th Club there has been an enormous pressure for a many of the hostages families to strike some kind of deal that releases the rest of them. Again, the only mass release of hostages came during the first g initial weeklong ceasefire fairly early in the stwar. But more durable ceasefire c talks keep raking down. They broke down last month. Some years my mediators told the Wall Street Journal they believe that yahoo believes the power to make a deal undermined the talks. Israeli officials disputing that notion. N. Precision strike one former u. S. Official called that strike incredibly reckless , and is raising fears of a wider israeli war for syria, a war that could quickly suck in the United States. It has been clear since day one, just what netanyahus political interest is. Mainly, the failure, Security Failure of october 7, the horror of it. The bone deep horror of it. Was netanyahus fault, he was the head of the state and as such, his survival always depended on staving off the day of reckoning. For the war to stretch on as long as possible because the reckoning is overdue is coming as soon as the war ends, it comes on the day after. So that is what his incentives are and they have been President Joe Biden in the war to broker a deal with hamas crucially to release the hostages. And then to figure out some kind of postconflict equilibrium and trajectory that isnt just a dissent into more catastrophic militant nihilism and humanitarian suffering. Those two incentive structures, cannot be reconciled. And so instead what we get is this completely incoherent policy of embracing israel in public and criticizing his actions in private or in selling them weapons while saying things that they dont like the way they are doing. A policy that Aaron David Miller, former state Department Official played and has been an issue for decades, described as Passive Aggressive. Which is an understatement. On the same day israel killed seven aid workers and struck an iranian consulate, news broke that the u. S. Is considering transferring another 18 billion in military arms to the israelis, putting up to 50 f15 fighter jets. Israel is a sovereign nation, it has probably the most powerful military in the region. If they wanted to continue to pursue this war in this reckless fashion, they can do so without the active aid, assistance, and apologetics of our government. Windy sherman served as Deputy Secretary Of State from april 20 220 21. She was the lead negotiator on the Iran Nuclear Deal under President Obama. The president of refugees international, previously serves the biden administration. And an independent israeli journalist decades of Expense Reporting on Israeli Palestinian politics. She has been covering the protest there, as well. Jeremy i will start with you as someone who has a lot of experience in aid provision. Conflict zones and war zones are extremely dangerous, Aid Organizations know that and mistakes do happen in war and the Israeli Government is saying this is a mistake. In your experience, how common are mistakes like this where a precision guided munition, not like a, this is not like someone is caught in gunfire intended for someone else, but an actual precision guided munition is directed at an aid convoy, have you experienced that before . It is rare. We have seen this sort of thing from russia and syria, for example. Russia would strike you in convoys from time to time during the syrian civil war. It is not that common and it is frankly a little hard to swallow that they didnt know what they were striking. And it doesnt absolve them, frankly, if thats the case. Because there is an affirmative obligation under International Humanitarian law for military to know what it is targeting before it drops a bomb on something. So if, in fact, they didnt realize they were striking and aid convoy, and it is hard to believe that, as you said earlier, given that the logos were so prominently clear on the top of the vehicle and the bombs went right through them but if that is the case, that does not mean this was not somehow a grave breach of International Humanitarian law. , to follow up on this because i want to talk about the complexion which is something that is talked about here. The World Central Kitchen folks have said we were in contact with the israelis about what we were doing as all Aid Organizations would be in the conflict, so you mentioned that even the russians, that there will be avenues between Aid Organizations and the russian government. What does that say to you . So there was some matchup, they were communicating. It appears they may have tried to communicate after the first strike, in between the first and the second to say you have hit us. Yet. So humanitarian Deacon Function is a really wellestablished printable and process with humanitarian groups cornered with the military or militaries that are conducting hostilities in the area where they are working. Israel did this in the 2006 lebanon war and they had a very effective channel with the you in there. And it worked, it served to protect humanitarians they have refused to establish a working Deacon Function channel up to this point in the war. There is a very rickety process that does not protect aid workers. Aid workers have been screaming about this for months. The u. S. Government has acknowledged four months that it is not working and that they have been raising with the israelis, you heard i think made reference to that today. Now we will establish a more robust he complexion wide and they do that they know how to do it, urging them to do it, that makes it harder to view this as an and is sent mistake because they did not establish the kinds of systems that they know how to establish to prevent this kind of thing from happening. I know that this has received a lot of attention in the israeli press, reporting on it, theres about 196 aid workers who have died so far in the conflict so far, that is from the u. N. Secretary general, most of those aid workers. Tell me about the weekend protest, and then this, on top of it, and what that has done to the tenor of conversation happening there. The tenor of the conversation , public debate has gotten very very fevered. It happened this week, even before this event is that this week was planned to be a week of escalation of the protest against netanyahu and of the explicit unification of the struggle of families of hostages still held by hamas with the political struggle against netanyahu. With the families blaming netanyahu, saying you have pushed us into the arms of these protests against you because we are not persuaded that you were not helping us to get our hostages back. What happened to nine in jerusalem was unexpected for me, was by far the most tenacious, the most edgy, and the most violent of protest against, between police and antinetanyahu protesters in the streets of jerusalem. At one point, a torch was thrown at the mounted police, there are thousands of people right now sleeping on the street outside the knesset in these kinds of tent cities. And late tonight, i would say that police have basically lost control over streets in Downtown Jerusalem near the Prime Ministers residence. Where people were simply demanding an end to the war and the return of the hostages i do think we have to add to this conversation that hamas has not agreed to the conditions. So the fact that all of these israelis are blaming netanyahu is naturally they are blaming their own government. That said, the other side is not helping. And you cant, you cannot create a unilateral cease fire. Chris murphy, Windy Sherman today saying that israel basically should halt immediately suspend all military operations inside gaza. Someone who worked at the State Department and worked on issues in this region, can you explain to me, Aaron David Miller called it Passive Aggressive which really seems like an understatement. This idea that you criticize the netanyahu government, you have the entrance to gaza saying not enough aid is getting in, were going to airdrop, we are going to build a jetty. And yet you dont change anything about the materials support for this ongoing effort. First of all, i think that john kirby said it absolutely right. We are all outraged by what happened to these aid workers and it is absolutely unacceptable. I think secretary blinken calling them heroes is exactly right. All of the aid workers, u. N. And otherwise, many of whom are palestinians who have died in this horrible war, i want to recognize them and salute them and give whatever comfort we can to their families, the great irony is this incident has polled eight outs of gaza, not put more aid in, one of the things that israel could do is to in fact open the channels for aid that have been so difficult to get through. As Samantha Power stated in her interview. That is one thing that baby netanyahu could do. I think as nova was pointing out, this is really a game of chess, not checkers. It is very located. I believe that President Biden is trying to deescalate, get the cease fire, get hostages out, have that ceasefire become permanent too, in fact, in the postwar period get humanitarian aid in, which can happen now and should happen now. Israel has a responsibility to make that happen, and to show the world that understands what this incident, and all the others mean for how they are isolating themselves in the world community, because of these actions. At the same time, the president is trying to de escalate and get this surge of humanitarian aid in. He is looking ahead to trying to ensure that there is gaza, when this is all over. That there is a two state solution, as difficult as that may be. Jake sullivan is headed to saudi arabia to talk about saudi arabias recognition of israel. And part of that demand from saudi arabia will be a two state solution, some way to protect palestinians. All of these things in diplomacy , all of these very hard things happen when you have the right leaders, the right leadership and i think we have seen, as you described, chris, as both jeremy and nova described, th