Tonight on all in. I feel like this is we are waiting for the curtain went up and i just couldnt believe it. The biggest day at at the trump trial. Lee for the first time in the Public Record here, we are getting david cooperating what Michael Cohen for years has now articulated about that meeting. Clean the man at the center of the conspiracy tells all. He said we shouldnt speak over landline, we should use signal. Please deny, david role in the criminal conspiracy to elect donald trump and the wild hearing on trumps gag order abuse. Clearance, the judge is getting tough on trumps lawyer. Saying to Donald Trumps attorneys, you are losing all credibility, you are losing all credibility with the court. Then why the Biden Campaign said they had a chance to win florida. He is out campaigning and i am sitting up all day long. And r series continues, are you better off than you were four years ago . The disinfectant, it knocked it out in a minute and is there a way we can do Something Like that . By injection or cleaning. When all in starch right now. Good evening, from new york, i am chris hayes, day two of the criminal trial, donald trump, today we heard in great detail how trump and his gang conspired to hide all his worst secrets, at least some of them. Trump and his lawyer continue to stretch the patience of judge merchan. The started with the hearing on the gag order the judge had already issued, which trump has her heatedly and freely been violating on social media and elsewhere, more on that later in the show but suffice to say, the entire event was a huge embarrassment for trumps attorney, todd blanche. Like every trump employee, blanche wants an assistant u. S. Attorney from the Southern District of new york was forced to repeatedly debase himself in service of his boss because if you agree to work for trumps, the fresh old qualifications to be the kind of person who only cares first and foremost about pleasing him rather than, well, doing her job. The fact in his Opening Statement on monday, blanche went out of his way to let everybody know he was speaking to an audience of one, he insisted on inferring to his client, criminal defendant, prided private citizen is President Trump and said quote, youre going to hear me refer to him as President Trump, this is a title he has erred because he was our 45th president cause meeting President Trump out of respect for the office he held from 2017 to 2020. But as we saw today, as we will likely continue to come as we have seen in many, many different venues and many situations, pleasing donald trump and doing your job, in this case, providing him the best legal representation, often a mutually exclusive choice pick that theme continued with longtime publisher of the met National Inquirer, david took the stand again this afternoon for a second day of testimony. Outlawed while running the National Inquirer he worked with trump and Michael Cohen to both suppress negative stories about the then president ial candidate and to flit negative and presumably baseless stories about trumps political opponents point quote, Michael Cohen called me and said we would like you to run a article on the lets say, for argument sake, ted cruz point then we he would send me information about ted cruz or carson or marco rubio point that was the basis and then we would embellish it from there. Of on further questioning, clarified, quote, Michael Cohen was a part of the campaign. That he is talking about himself and mr. Trump took it sound like believed he was acting in the correction of donald trump when he published stories like this about texas senator ted cruz who challenged trump in the 2016 primary, having Extramarital Affairs with multiple women, five secret mistresses, actually, or the story, remember this one . This one got a little bit of attention for which admitted to making up, Linking Cruises father to the john f. Kennedy assassination. Remember that one . The substance of this trial is about what the inquirer did not publish as part of its practice, the Tabloid World known as catch and kill during which it helps press story about trumps on affairs it is in a 2015 meeting between trump, and cohen. Tonight a person familiar with the matter tells nbc news in august 2015, Candidate Trump was in the room and cohen, and National Inquirer publisher david discussed ways company could quash negative stories about trumps relationships with women. When that meeting was first reported. According to and that 2015 meeting in august, he told trump paul cohen, quote, i said that anything i hear in the marketplace, if i hear anything negative about yourself or i hear anything about women telling stories i was notified Michael Cohen and i did over the last several years. I would notify uncle and he would be able to have him in another magazine or have them not be published or somebody would have to purchase them. Todays testimony ended on something of a cliffhanger as began to outline the plan to play off playboy model Karen Mcdougal to cover up her own story. According to testimony, one of his with the understanding that she wanted somebody to purchase the affair. He contacted Michael Cohen and insisted on communication through an encrypted app. Increasingly agitated as the editor first to that mcdougalls story with single quote, he kept on calling and each time he called he seemed more anxious adding, quote, i assumed he had the Conversation Esther Trump and mr. Trump was asking Michael Cohen did we hear anything yet . Also testified that trump called him directly about the Mcdougall Story but then the candidate saying i spoke to michael and, quote, he told me about karen and trump said to me, what do you think . P ecker he said trump to push the Mcdougall Story pick former edison are will resume his testimony we have the day off tomorrow for the trial but we already know how the story ends, the inquirer paid Mcdougall 150 Grand for the rights to her story and her silence but, heres the asterisk, which is great, trump was supposed to repay p ecker, he wasnt just doing this as charity. He was the passthrough, if you will. But trump did what he always does, he stiffed him on the bill 150,000, which is why Michael Cohen was the one forced to pay Stormy Daniels out of his own pocket. That, of course, is why trump was ultimately in court today. Msnbc Legal Correspondent wasnt watching from inside the courtroom, andrew rice also in the courtroom today, he is a writer near magazine where he just profiled trumps defense attorney, todd entered a new kind of story point great to have you both here we just start topline impressions for the day today, lisa quickly top line impression is that David P Ecker has a whole lot to say pick one of the things that he said at the very beginning was he was asked how often he commuted with trump and he said after trump became a candidate their conversations increased, not decreased for acute expect a president ial candidate to get so busy that they wouldnt really have time for the old friend David P Ecker and yet they still found time to meet once a month, talked on the phone roughly once a week and sometimes more point we heard about two of those conversations today, book ended the beginning and the end of the testimony, that august 2015 meeting you talked about and that phone call during 2016 about Karen Mcdougal having been vetted and what trump wanted to know about the conversation. I have to assume there are a lot more conversations that David P Ecker had directly with donald trump and that the prosecution is going to elicit testimony about them in the ensuing days. I thought the most relevant thing to watch was actually sort of the ongoing dichotomy between what is going on inside the courtroom and what is happening outside the courtroom and i think that it came into relief really went at the beginning of the day when there is a hearing about whether donald trump was going to be held in contempt for some of the things that he has said. On truth social about witnesses even about a juror. In this case and todd blanche, the guy that profiled in the story got up and said that our client has a right to talk about the two systems of justice that are being shown here in this courtroom. And i think theres something that we will see a lot, which is basically donald trump is not, if he can win on acquittal or win on a mistrial that is great for him but he is running against the system. Okay, i follow up on that because blanche also insisted, we are going to talk about this in a second in greater detail but he says he is doing his best or something or like trying our best and that is when rochon says you are losing Credibility Point come on, buddy. What is blanches angle here . Not primarily legal, it is primarily about the sort of making this broader case in the court of Public Opinion. Is blanche on board with that strategy . Well, i think that blanche is ultimately trying to, made it very clear, theyre hoping to find a juror, one juror, really, who will hold out and will vote to convict donald trump and theyre hoping for a mistrial and if there is a mistrial, course donald trump will go out on the courtroom, Courthouse Steps and say i am completely exonerated, here in new york and so that was their strategy ultimately the back andforth with the judges is happening outside the has not blood into the trial too much but it is in terms of the mistrial, one of the things that just going back to the transcripts, just sort of striking me again, maybe this is such an obvious point but indulge me, sometimes youll have like in a classic sort of mystery courtroom drama theres a question of light, wasnt that person driving the car . Did this actually happen . In this case, it is like it is clear as day all the stuff happened. It is clear as day. Is there any real doubt that David P Ecker met with Michael Cohen and donald trump looks that they set up, i guess you could think that p ecker is lying and that Michael Cohen is lying. But the basics of the story that is being presented here just seemed to be pretty much better rock solid. Let me pushback that a little bit. I think one of the things that the prosecution has to establish and was surprising to many people in the courtroom is the extent of Donald Trumps own involvement here which, of course. Which is necessarily not only contextually but to approve the crime. The other thing is we all know about what will call the antecedent story, the setup of the Hush Money Payments for the thing that the prosecutors have to really prove, though, to show falsification of his records as a felony is that there was a cover up with the intent to commit or conceal a crime and tying donald trump expressly to that, i think is something that none of us have really seen their evidence about it and we are all looking forward. Totally but i guess my point is that of this pardon, which is not the criminal pardon, did this arrangement happen, just seems clear that it did. Again, im not in the jury but just from the recording we have from the testimony, and i also wonder also because i cant quite get it from the transcript, from the transcript, p ecker seems pretty comfortable and forthcoming. As a witness how would you describe him . Got that it was maybe i am a but i thought it was pretty shocking to hear him talk with such total frankness. Yes, exactly. The nature of the relationship that he has with donald trump and he actually cant quite candidly said on the stand that this was not normal. This, even by the standards of the national enquirer, these transactions were not normal. They had a very special relationship with donald trump that they had forged and they wanted to see donald trump elected president and they were acting sort of as an adjunct arm of the campaign. That, this has nothing to do with the criminal trial, per se, just as disclosures go, the part about ceding negative stories, like he would just send them stuff. That is shocking and would be in any other media enterprise, and unbelievable scandal and also gives you little sense of how donald trump projects his view of the media. Like his view of the media being like the all function like that because that is what the inquirer did for me. I think the other thing that sort of was lost until today is what is David P Ecker getting out of this . And then complement and praising donald trump, that is what made his testimony so damning. He said he was the top celebrity among inquirer readers, that he was knowledgeable about his business, that he was detail oriented, micromanagerial prayer all the things he said about donald trump that were complement are eventually going to be his dim as tells a story. A little bit of a time sheet about going back to the apprentice as a hit show and i am trying to tell magazines, man point this guy has a big show and he was product so we need to be closer. That was great, thank you very much. Coming up, i deal with the judge tells your lawyer when he is losing credibility with the court, that is worse when it happens before the first witnesses in his pick what did we go wrong with the Trump Defense team . Next. Fense team . Next. Class ever since he was first indicted in new york more than a year ago, donald trump has been attacking the Presiding Judge and his daughter on social media picked donald trump jr. Even posted an article trying to picture of the judges daughter on social media. But a month ago, as the case neared jury selection, the judge in this case, one marchant, prevented trump and quote, the Family Members of any counsel or staff member. Trump continue to post about the judges own daughter, which was not to be part of that first gag order but did an expansion to the gag order less than a week later picked that added family of the court and District Attorney to the prohibited list. In a Hearing Today, prosecutors resented before the judge several posts from donald trump, 10, in fact, violated the order most attacking his Michael Cohen and Stormy Daniels, the Adult Film Star At The Center of the Hush Money Payments, both who are present witnesses in the case the prosecutor argued, quote, there cant be any question that he is aware of what the order requires and that knowledge alone indicates his own disobedience is willful and intentional. Added, quote, we are not yet seeking and incarcerated tory penalty, defendant seems to be angling for that. Trump lawyer, todd blanchard, we were just discussing, tried to defend the honestly indefensible, making the judge visibly frustrated and when blanche told the judge, quote, this gag order we are trying to comply with the, President Trump is being very careful to comply with your honored rules, the judge responded, mr. Blanche, you are losing all credibility with this order. Cordell served as a judge for nearly 20 years, including on the bench of the superior court of the state of california. She joined me now pick it is great to have you, judge, we love hearing from you. So first, just set the stage point this was, there is a sort of motion to show cause. So the people, the District Attorneys office wants to make the case affirmatively to the judge that trump is right now violating his Gag Order Pick so what was the proceeding that started the Hearing Today . So this was a Criminal Contempt Hearing and the burden is on the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt every single element of criminal content, which is there is a ballot order, trump about the order and he willfully violated it so that was there burden today and they absolutely proved the burden by proving all the social media post and website post and you can see the judge getting very frustrated and almost losing it at a point because he was asking the defense, well, what is your defense to this . And heres what we got, chris, and i will put it to you in a riddle. When is a social media post not a social media post . The answer, when its a repost that is the ridiculous argument that the defense was giving to the judge. And so, they even went further to say, well, you didnt actually say repost in your gag order. This is just absurd and i get it because they dont have a defense to this. So the judge smartly did not rule in anger and decided to make the decision to hold off when the judge could be more calm her about everything and my guess is that the judge will issue a written decision, so it is very clear, and i believe the judge will find donald trump in contempt. So this point about retweets are not endorsements or reposting. What is just unclear is that trump thinks hes go