Somebody just told me they never sat for such a long period of time in a courthouse before. Its ridiculous. Im supposed to be in georgia. Im supposed to be in new hampshire. A chilly and weary donald trump back in court for week two of testimony. Complaining about his inability to campaign after spending his previous days off from court golfing. Also tonight, trumps frightening new interview about his sinister plans if he gets back into the white house. Including allowing states to monitor womens pregnancies and even send them to prison. Plus, Columbia University is vowing to expel propalestinian protesters now occupying an Academic Building as Campus Protests and Police Crackdowns continue across the country. But we begin tonight with week two of testimony in Donald Trumps hush money election interference trial. For the first time, one of trumps Family Members, middle son eric, joined him in the courtroom along with some of trumps associates. It also appears trumps repeated pleas for his supporters to please come to his aid worked. With a few dozen appearing outside the court. It is unknown if any of those supposed supporters also carry a s. A. G. Card, but those may be the only highlights to trumps day given what transpired inside the courtroom. Most of the day was spent hearing from Keith Davidson, former attorney for both Karen Mcdougal and Stormy Daniels. Davidson is a key player in the scheme and alleged conspiracy to pay off the two women to keep their stories about their alleged sexual encounters with trump from going public before the 2016 election. The prosecution did not just rely on davidsons testimony but also his Text Messages and emails from that time. Text messages between davidson and the editor of the national enquirer, david howard, dylan howard, detailed the deal made with mcdougal beginning with, i have a blockbuster trump story. Upon finalizing the agreement, howard texted davidson, quote, were going to lay it on thick for her. Davidson replied, good. Throw in an ambassadorship for me. Im thinking isle of man. Today, davidson testified that his comment was something of a joke. But he sent it because he knew the deal would help trumps candidacy. The text between the two also lay out the impact of Stormy Daniels reemergence in the days following the october 2016 release of the Access Hollywood tape. Davidson texted howard on october 8th, trump is fd, with howard responding, wave the white flag. Its over, people. The next day, davidson texted, hi, the story is already out there. To which howard responded, yeah, but her talking and taking blank is the final nail in the coffin, but hes fd already. Davidson testified on how Michael Cohen missed deadlines to make the 130,000 payment to daniels with davidson recalling cohen saying, what do you expect me to do . My guy is in five fing states today. My guy, of course, referring to donald trump. It was then davidson claims that cohen said he would just pay it himself, and that is how cohen came to pay out the money by taking out a Home Equity Line of credit. And that also brings us to the other witnesses we heard from this morning who were brought on to authenticate various records. That included continued testimony from one of cohens bankers, gary farro, who we started to hear from on friday. He provided the receipts on how cohen moved Fast And Furious less than two weeks before the 2016 election to both set up an account and complete the Wire Transfer to Stormy Daniels with Keith Davidson for the 130,000 in hush money. And that payment could not have come quickly enough. As davidson also presented emails stating that ten days prior to that Wire Transfer, and after much delay, Stormy Daniels was going to cancel the Settlement Agreement altogether. Now, someone may need to tell trump about all of these dwumpts given his eyes were closed for extended periods throughout the day. Again, creating the appearance that has led to folks calling him sleepy don. But before trump started to reach that slumberred state, he was told by judge juan merchan he was being held in Criminal Contempt for violating the gag order because attacks on jurors and potential witnesses. While he was only fined 1,000 for each of the nine violations, merchan warned in the decision that he would not tolerate further violations of the order, and said if necessary, and appropriate under the circumstances, he would impose an incarceratory punishment on the former president. Meaning jail. When the trial resumes on thursday, it will begin with another hearing over additional alleged Gag Order Violations by trump. Joining me now is paul butler, former federal prosecutor, Georgetown Law Professor and msnbc legal analyst, and tony schwartz, ceo of the energy project, and coauthor of Donald Trumps the art of the deal. Thank you for being here. Im going to start at the table with you. Lets start with the gag order, paul. Fines for now. Jail later. If he keeps violating, donald trump did take down the offending posts. But is 9,000 a real penalty . Not for donald trump. Its chump change. He has the biggest megaphone of any criminal defendant in u. S. History, and he uses it to disparage witnesses in violation of the gag order. Maybe it makes political sense. Hes got to give his followers some reason to believe that these folks like Michael Cohen and Stormy Daniels who could send him to jail or at least cause him to become a convicted criminal, hes got to give his followers a reason not to believe them. Or thats in direct contradiction to what the judge has ordered, joy. Any other defendant who willfully disobeyed nine times, Nine Contempt sanctions, would be sitting under Rikers Island right now. Donald trump doesnt think of it this way, but this is yet another example of him being treated differently because hes donald trump. Absolutely. What did you think was the most substantive Development Today . Keith davidson testifying. He was the lawyer who arranged the payments and the banker finishing his testimony about how quickly Michael Cohen acted to create that llc to sort of make this pretense of a company to send that money to Stormy Daniels. So as we have to remind everyone, paying hush money isnt a crime. What donald trump is charged with is falsifying Business Records that disguised these hush money payments. He did that 34 times koorm to alvin bragg. Thats a misdemeanor, but gets bumped up to a felony if the purpose of these false Business Records was to try to commit another crime. Alvin bragg says those other crimes were state and federal campaign violations. And also new york tax laws. What does that mean . It means alvin bragg has to prove that this was all about the campaign. And thats what this witness helped do today. So mr. Davidson was the lawyer for both Stormy Daniels and Karen Mcdougal. He testified that all of this was about the campaign. It wasnt contrary to what trump wants the jurors to think, about keeping this information from melania. It wasnt about protecting his family. He has Text Messages and emails to prove it. So ultimately, Michael Cohen is going to come and say the same thing. What bragg is hoping is that Michael Cohen will be the kind of Most Anticlimactic Star Witness in history because everything that cohen says, alvin bragg wants the jurors to have heard before from other witnesses. And its already been coordinated with physical testimony and not just that but also Text Messages, et cetera. Tony, let me bring you in here. What do you make of the fact donald trump did make an adjustment today, seemingly finally having a Family Member in court so he wouldnt look alone. I remember being in the courtroom, he looked lonely with that empty bench behind him with no family and no one there, and Secret Service one row back. He looked really sort of solitary. What do you make of the fact eric trump showed up today . Well, i imagine the family drew straws and he lost. Because nobody would want to be there with him. I think its irrelevant. I think clearly, he made that decision, the same way he makes every decision, which is how do i want it to look. As opposed to what is it really. I dont think having him there affected it one way or the other. His eyes are closed. He appears to be either sleeping or off in some sort of reverie. And the notion that this guy is having to sit there for nine hours a day or eight hours a day is such, for him, a torture that it overshadows everything, joy, that i think is happening in the trial. This is a man who is demonstrating very clearly why hes not qualified to be president. And meanwhile, if you try to ask yourself the question, whats been a good moment for trump in this trial . You probably cant come up with one. Because virtually everything, including all of the testimony today and the fact that he was found to be in contempt, have to militate against him. So i think i think he is putting on a spectacle. Let me ask you this. Theres reporting hes unhappy with todd blanche, his attorney. He seems very fidgety and not confident. Hes a good prosecutor at the time, but he wants more aggression out of todd blanche. Hes not happy with the lack of aggression. Well, you cant win as a lawyer for trump. Particularly when youre losing. Particularly when trump recognizes that this isnt going his way. Whether it was this lawyer or any other lawyer, this is a really tough case to litigate. To really difficult argument to make. You have a client who is almost impossible to keep in his seat. So i think, you know, assessing his performance is kind of irrelevant. I think the issue is that trump is going to beat up on anybody who is falling short of making him look innocent in a situation in which he is guilty as hell. Let me play a little bit, there was Something Interesting that happened today. They played some cspan archives. Let me play a bit of what they showed in court today. Its a phony deal. I have no idea who these women are. I have no idea. I have no idea. And i think you all know i have no idea because you understand me for a lot of years. Okay. When you looked at that horrible woman last night, you said i dont think so. I dont think so. Whoever she is, wherever she comes from, the stories are total fiction. Theyre 100 made up. They never happened. They never would happen. All horrible lies. All fabrications. And we cant let them change the most important election in our lifetime. Michael cohen is a very talented lawyer. What do you think why did the prosecution play that . Its trumps voice in court. This is the first time the jury has actually heard what donald trump sounds like and whats he doing, hes lying. So first of all, i dont see how he takes the stand because hes going to be able to be impeached with his lies and with his misconduct. He says he didnt cheat on his wife, and again, thats not a crime, but if hes making that assertion to try to prove his innocence or at least get the jury to find him not guilty, the jury is not going to like him very much. Again, if he sticks by that statement, so then hell be in the classic position where the prosecutors ask, were you lying then when you said it was a lie or aria lying now when you said it wasnt a lie . Part of it again is to try to prevent trump from taking the stand, although in some ways prosecutors would love that because then all of this other evidence comes in. Tony, you know, we know in the past, donald trump has paid people to show up. He did pay supporters to show up when he did his he paid them 50 to go to his president ial announcement. Today, he has been openly whining that his protesters cant get in there. There was nobody there when i was in except one guy ringing a bell. He got a little bit of a protest today. Why does he need that . Well, he needs anything to shore up the sense of inadequacy and emptiness that pervades his body. Even outside of his awareness. So anything that could its why he wants to go out and give speeches right now. Not because he thinks they matter necessarily one way or the other, but because he loves to be beloved. So i actually thought, and i say this even as somebody, you know, not withstanding the fact im a critic of his, that was a pretty pathetic demonstration in response to being asked for all Trump Supporters being asked to show up at the court. I mean, what was it, two or three dozen people . These are people who had nothing to do today. But virtually, no one did show up. And i find that all fascinating. Including the fact that members of his family dont show up. Really, trump has no emotional connection to anyone. Including himself. And so to recognize were looking at an extraordinary human being. Its a surreal situation. Yeah. It is, to say the least. Well said, and even an understatement. Thank you both very much. And up next on the reidout, democracy is in danger if the aforementioned trump wins, and a terrifying new interview in Time Magazine makes that clear with trump threatening to use Military Force to deport undocumented immigrants. 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He told times reporter than he would be willing to fire a u. S. Attorney who didnt prosecutor someone he ordered. Noting that it depends on the situation. He explained that obliterating the socalled deep state meant getting rid of bad people. People that have not done a good job for him. He would absolutely pardon criminals convicted of assaulting the capitol on january 6th, telling time that many of those people went in, many of these people were ushered in. You see it on tape, the police are ushering them in. Theyre walking with the police. When the reporter asked trump what he thought of americans who found his language about being a dictator for a day or suspending the constitution contrary to american democracy, he said i think a lot of people like it. And much like the last election, when asked if he was worried about violence, trump acknowledged that it would only happen if he loses, which sounds an awful lot like a threat. Joining me is anotherer kagan, senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and author of rebellion, how antiliberalism is tearing america apart again, which was published today. Well talk about it shortly. I want to talk about this time interview. If i had one criticism of it, robert, it was the way that they placed Donald Trumps plans, including letting states monitor womens abortions, monitor womens, i guess, menstrual cycles, i dont know how they would do it, and placed it against, here are the legislative barriers to that, as if there would be some normal functioning democracy with him as president. What did you make of the interview and revolutions therein . Im sorry, i have to admit i havent read the interview although i have seen the quotes that came out of it and what you just read. I think there is a general tend