Alex, good evening. It is a kinetic situation at columbia. We will follow that through the air. Thanks for that coverage. We stay in new york city, where today, donald trump was back in court, where he is facing 34 Felony Counts related to the hush money payments he paid to adult film store star Stormy Daniels to keep quiet about an alleged affair, and particularly to keep ms. Daniels quiet up until the 2016 election. The lawyer, keith davidson, took the stand, and we will get to that in just a minute. At the big news out of todays trial happened before any witnesses actually testified. Today, the judge in this case, judge one russian juan merchan, said trump will be allowed to attend his very tall son, behrens barons graduation. The other matter was also somewhat of a win for donald trump. Today, judge merchan found trump in contempt of violating his gag order, ruling he violated the gag order nine times. As punishment, judge merchan find trump 9000, 1000 per violation. And he warned trump that the court will not tolerate continued willful violations of its lawful orders, and if necessary and appropriate under the circumstances it will impose an incarcerated tory punishment. In plain speak if trump continues to violate this order judge merchan may throw him in jail. Now trump already knew breaking the gag order could result in jail time, but he violated it nine times anyway. Trump was treated a lot nicer than most americans in our criminal Justice System. And after the trial wrapped for the day this is what trump came out and told the press. They had me sitting here for a biden trial. Im sitting here, because thats exactly what they want. They dont want me on the campaign trail. This is a corrupt system we are in, and i think the people are understanding it. That of course could not be further from the truth, but what donald trump is doing here is projecting. He is describing that the Justice System he is actually experiencing, but the Justice System if he were in charge of it. And i am not speculating here. This is trump in an interview with Time Magazine published today. Question, would you hire a u. S. Attorney who didnt prosecute someone you ordered him to . Trump, it depends on the situation, honestly. Question, so you might . Trump, it would depend on the situation. Yeah. That is from an extensive Time Magazine interview that came out today, and it is chockfull of news. Trump actually got to talk about his plans for a next term if he wins one, and those plans are, wow. Like for example heres a question to trump. He said we want to protect police from prosecution, what do you and by that . Trump, police are being prosecuted all the time and we want to give them immunity from persecution if they are doing their job. Now, what trump is alluding to here is the notion of qualified immunity, which you might remember as a central focus of the black lives matter movement. Qualified immunity is the legal doctrine that allows Police Officers to avoid personal consequences related to their actions on duty unless those actions violate clearly established law, which is actually a very hard threshold to beat. In practice, that qualified immunity has meant a lot of Police Officers have killed Black Americans in particular without consequence. And donald trump is all for it, wants more qualified immunity, in fact. When confronted with effect Violent Crime is going down throughout the country, prior to what hes been saying for months now trump simply says i dont believe it. He explains the fbi gave fake numbers, its a lie, fake news. So, donald trump is insisting police have immunity to fight crime wave that does not actually exist. If you are missing the racial subtext here, there is this. Question, pulls show a majority of supporters expressed antiwhite racism now represents a greater problem in the country than antiblack racism, do you agree . Trump, oh, i think that there is a lot to be said about that. I think there is a definite antiwhite feeling in this country, and that cannot be allowed either. Throughout this interview, donald trump also explains his plans if he takes office, and the most shocking of those plans have to do with immigration and abortion. Question. You said you would do this massive deportation operation. I want to know specifically how you plan to do that. Trump. If you look back to the 1950s Dwight Eisenhower was very big on illegal immigration not coming into our country, and he did a massive deportation of people. As a model for his Immigration Policy will see eisenhowers catastrophic rotation of around 100 million mexican immigrants known by a code name that happens to be a racial slur, operation from the name to the execution the whole thing was incredibly racist, british, and ended up accidentally deporting a ton of people who were actually u. S. Citizens. That is the model donald trump wants to emulate. Not Time Magazine reporter eric didnt let all that slide, he pressed trump and made sure he was correctly understanding exactly what donald trump was saying. Here is more. Question. What is your plan, sir . Trump. We will be using local Law Enforcement. Question, does that include using u. S. Military . Trump. It would. Question u. S. Law says you can deploy the u. S. Military against civilians, would you override that . Trump, well, these arent civilians, these are people that arent legally in our country, this is an invasion of our country. That is how far donald trump would be going to go to enforce his draconian immigration policies. He would use local cops, use the american military, he would break the law because he doesnt consider immigrants to be civilians. And then there are plans for abortion. Question, your allies and the Republican Study Committee which makes up about 80 of the gop caucus have included the life and Conception Act in their 2025 budget proposal. The measure would grant full legal rights to embryos. Is that your position as well . Trump, i am leaving everything up to the states. Question, would you veto that bill . Trump, i dont have to do anything about vetoes, because we have it back in the states. Question did you think states should monitor womens pregnancies so they can know if they have received an abortion after the ban . Trump, i think they might do that. Again, you will have to speak to the individual states. Question. States will decide if they are double or not prosecuting women for getting abortions after the ban, but are you comfortable with it . Trump, its irrelevant whether i am comfortable with it or not, it is totally irrelevant, because the states are going to make those decisions. There have been very few times where donald trump has been asked in detail about what he actually plans to do if reelected president. So, this is a really rare and essential piece of journalism here. If trump comes across as uninformed, but also remarkably cutthroat. Willing to embrace extreme harsh policies and willing to countenance unimagined cruelty. As much as trumps answers are often garbled or opaque they are still the clearest most detailed outline we have had so far laying out what happens if donald trump becomes president once again. We are going to speak to the time reporter who interviewed donald trump in just a moment, but first we will go back to our Breaking News, that developing situation at Columbia University. Joining me now is tragic correspondent Antonia Hylton outside columbia. I know that this is a quickly moving front here. What can you tell us about the situation at columbia right now . Reporter alex, right behind me here is Hamilton Hall. Officers in riot gear are now lining up in front of the gate that is providing the closest access to that building where approximately 60 people including students may be outside actors and anarchists are inside barricaded in, and there was moments ago a Massive Group of protesters right there on The Street Chanting to the people inside, showing them support, and the police came up to them and told them very clearly they had to disperse or risk arrest. So all this people have fanned out on either side of the gate now and are chanting. People are shouting from the windows at police, it is extremely tense here. I will stand back so you can see some of the scene your self. You see officers in Riot Gear Planning to get closer to the gate. Theres been an open question of how they are actually going to enter, how they are going to approach Hamilton Hall. We saw officers right here on broadway closer to 114th street. And they had double entry points to consider. It looks like a Critical Mass has chosen this gait here on amsterdam. That goahead. Just to give a little context to what we are seeing, the sort of occupation of Hamilton Hall, can you give us a timeline in terms of when it began . And do we have more of a clear picture about who is in there . Reporter this all began last night at about 12 30 a. M. Protesters moved toward Hamilton Hall. They brought supplies and gear. They entered, smashed windows, used furniture, and gates and all kinds of items like trash cans to barricade all the entrances to that building. At points they had scuffles with students who tried to block some of the entrances to Hamilton Hall. Students describe chaotic sounds, chanting, singing, and things breaking all through the night. And many of them, even pro palestinian students who have been supportive of the encampments, supportive of students having their voices were at times a little shaken by this and concerned this was an escalation that would lead to what we are seeing here now. I have not met students how who are excited, and students on students and faculty on all sides of the issue, they are angry frankly with the administration. Theres a feeling for many jewish students that the administration has really not done enough about their concerns, the threat and harassment, she said she would do something and let the deadlines does appear, so they are angry on that side. On the propalestinian side, they are frustrated with the administration because of what happened on April 18th We Saw Nypd enter the first time, disruptions to classes, many students describe feeling traumatized at the site of what happened to their classmates that day. They think it is extremely upsetting to them. There has been a message thats gone out to faculty and students telling everyone they need to shelter in place because of police activity. That too is extremely unsettling. It has students wondering if they are caught out in the yard or nearby Hamilton Hall, it is right next to residential spaces, what will happen to them if they are misinterpreted as being part of the protest or simply get in the way of what nypd has to do to get people out of this building. Our understanding there were students who were part of the movement, but this has been a decentralized thing, theres never been one clear leader or group making a decision about this action or that, so there are a couple dozen people who could be a mix of students and outside actors who according to nypd may be trained for this which raises the fear of violence, and a very concerning right of confrontation to a whole new level, alex. And we have news nbc can report Columbia University has sent a letter to the city of new york asking for assistance. Thats coming from nbc news. Antonio . In terms of mayor adams, he has been quite vocal. We also know as you talk about the unrest among the students the faculty has also been quite engaged on this. I believe earlier today the faculty sent a letter, prior to the situation we are seeing unfolding, but a letter saying nypd presence endangers our entire community, they hold University Leadership responsible for what they call disastrous lapses of judgment that have gotten us to this point, the University President and Board Of Trustees will bear responsibility for any injuries that may occur during any Police Action on our campus. Its almost like theyre telegraphing what we see unfold, which is a very tense situation. Hopefully that does not escalate, but antonia . Can you give me a sense of, you are right there with nypd, but what can you tell us about the mayor has been on this thus far, and the Police Presence you are seeing at this particular moment . Reporter the mayor and nypd have been pretty clear all along that while they respect students right to protest they sensed that if things got to a violent point they would be ready to reenter campus. They have consistently offered their help to the university. There have been ongoing negotiations with faculty, staff, and administrators coming to a table and trying to figure out a way to avoid exactly whats happening behind me here. Clearly those talks have failed, but when you look at the examples of what is happening all around the country right now you see one extreme, which are schools that have had police return. Police are officially on campus , alex. The other end of that extreme with what happened at brown where instead of what is about to happen here, at brown, the students have taken down their encampment, and the University Board has agreed to vote on the possibility of divestment. These are the two options that could have been on the table. It is clear the side columbia chose tonight. On the end, its hard to get a sense of where the negotiations fell apart. We had the editor in chief of the columbia spectator where the tension was already there, and there were ultimatums being given by the faculty or by the president s office. I am not sure that is the most effective, but beyond the divestment, are there other sticking points that have not been resolved . Meaningfully and materially, i wonder what the focus point of the negotiations has been. Reporter the focal. Is the question of divestment and whether university would bring that to the table. The universities have voted on numbers and support have been very high. North of 70 and 80 grade okay we see additional nypd in riot gear about to enter. It looks like this is about to happen any moment now. What i can tell you is from the Student Perspective the talks fell apart the moment the University Made clear they would once again invite nypd or at one point they say threatened to bring the national garden. That created a mans fear and concerns that students at columbia would be subjected to what happened at kent state, which led to deaths, students dying. That is the concern here tonight. I think thats why you see in the language from the Faculty Members you mentioned they are trying to signal in advance of whatever happens that they will put the blame at the president of columbias feet, shafik. Everything is coming back to a feeling that the administration has not been clear in their surging, has not shown willingness to work not just with the students, but ive been receiving messages from faculty throughout the day to say they reached out to the Administration Today and said can we help you at the table . Can we talk to students for you . Can we figure out a way to de escalate this mark the quote i received was we have been shut out. They are trying to telegraph to her if somebody gets hurt, if a student of ours gets hurt tonight we will. The finger at you tomorrow morning. It is probably worth mentioning here, if you are following with us, its a tense situation, very tense situation, at Columbia University related to the war in gaza and the encampment. Students currently running straight into roadblock as far as negotiations on divestment with Columbia Leadership you know. It is worth noting that this columbia protest has spawned a movement that has really flowered at campuses across the country. They have had as you point out, other outcomes at school. This is by far the most pitched confrontation weve seen thus far, but i do wonder as we talked about the Police Presence and the students or actors, the people whoever they are, who have barricaded themselves in Hamilton Hall, what is the campus like . School is out soon, and columbia, if i am not mistaken, switched to virtual classes at least a week or two ago to deescalate the situation if you will, is there a large student presents on Campus Independent of whats happening here . Reporter oh yeah, there are a lot of students on campus and around me now waiting to see what happens to their classmates potentially. Some of them are moving down to other blocks. Some of then them are planning to stay here. They are very present on the ground. We have an nbc news intern who has sent us information. There are kids in their dorms who watch front and center from the windows. They had a hybrid option. They went 100 virtual today, because okay. Massive nypd trucks coming down the street. Students have been nervous about this the entire day. And i can tell you the 2 00 p. M. Deadline became very clear yesterday after this deadline that was set, the university saying please voluntary voluntarily pack up this encampment. The second that went by it was clear the encampment was going nowhere. We were here almost until 9 00 last night. You could feel in the air in interactions with faculty and staff and students that something was going to happen, whethe