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MSNBCW Morning July 3, 2024

Daniella, thank you. And thanks to you all for getting up Way Too Early with us on this wednesday morning. Morning joe starts now. When trump hasnt been asleep hes violating his gag order by posting messages attacking, witnesses. And so today the judge finally had his ruling on those. And charged him 9,000. 9,000 may not seem like a lot to a successful businessman but what about to trump . Well have all the developments from Donald Trumps Hush Money Criminal Trial just ahead. Nbc legal analyst lisa reuben was inside the courtroom and shell join us in a moment. Well go through trumps interview with Time Magazine. The former president was asked about January 6th Abortion Policy and the upcoming election. And its worth a listen. Or a read. Plus well bring you the latest out of The Middle East, including israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahus defiant comments on a possible invasion in southern gaza. Good morning and welcome to morning joe, it is wednesday, may 1st, everybody. Its may . I love may. Birthday eve. Birthday eve eve, willie. Backtoback. We have a birthday thing. Along with willie and me we have the host of Way Too Early jonathan lemire. You have the share. We share cake, everything, its annoying. Jonathan lemire you were on whats that thing . Seth myers. Nbc colleague. I love seth. Hes brilliant. Thought you did a good job. Thank you. Were you nervous . Been on before, he and his staff were so kind. So nice. We talked about the trump trial, the campus unrest, and Behind The Scenes we expressed worry behind the boston red sox. Did you sleep last night . I always get a little bit of sleep, only a little. Also with us, correspondent katty kay. We begin this morning with new York City Police clearing Columbia University, the building seized by protesters, dozens of officers arrived on campus late last night wearing riot gear, using a ramp to get inside the hall occupied by protesters on monday. Video shows special police units entering a building through a second story window. Officers say about 40 people were arrested there, walked out, calmly. The university released these images of the damage and vandalism inside Hamilton Hall. You can see overturned chairs and furniture, Broken Windows and panes of glass. The University Said they decided to call the police after speaking with the Board Of Trustees releasing a statement, the decision to reach out to the nypd was in response to the actions of the protesters not the cause they are championing. We have made it clear that the life of campus cannot be interrupted by the protesters. They believe the group that broke into the building was led by people not affiliated with columbia. They also cleared the encampment that had been up for about two weeks and now the university is asking the nypd to stay on campus until may 17th, which is just two days after columbias commencement, trying to make sure, willie, that everything is safe through graduation day. I want to point out there, you didnt see people getting dragged out screaming. I think they were all over this and they outmanned it and numbered it and made sure it was a calm event. And columbia University Said we told you this was going to happen, gave you warning. They went in through the second floor and said hello youre leaving now. They didnt have to use tear gas, no gyres in this. They cleared it relatively easily for the nypd. Lets bring in tom winter. Tom, before we talk about the operation lets talk about how it got to that point. What was the moment that columbia said we need to bring in the nypd who had been there for weeks outside on broadway and different places but we need to send them into the building. The nypd was content to let this keep going if it was just an encampment and columbia called and wanted help sure they would show up. But they needed a letter inviting them on campus because if no complaint of crime was committed, the nypd cant stroll onto private property and conduct Police Operations its a violation of two amendments talking about a protest. So thats something they needed to be careful of. Overnight this Hamilton Hall incident where someone snuck into the building, stayed inside and then let individuals in and the nypd Working With Columbia was looking at surveillance camera video saying wait a minute, these are not necessarily all students inside this Hamilton Hall. This presents a problem because these individuals, the nypd says, have been on our radar for several years, we know them as anarchist types. The goal is not propalestinian, proisraeli, pick any other cause near and dear to peoples heart. This is an effort to engage police in violence and the nypd is afraid theyre coopting this movement and students. I looked at the additional images and say this is a way to try to funnel police in certain rooms, cover windows so people couldnt see where individuals were inside of there, that was a primary concern and the press conference aimed at the public was really at Columbia University saying we have concerns whats going on here. That was one of the points columbia made in a statement, this was led not by students at this point. Is that what the nypd believes as well . In some ways it felt like columbia was letting students off the hook saying theyve been swept up in a movement led by anarchists with no cause or ideology. Is that the assessment of the nypd it was more the anarchists than students in the building . Its unclear because some of the Surveillance Cameras were damaged. You saw the ramp used to get inside of that building that we were looking at, because everything needs an acronym its the mobile adjustable ramp system. The nypd has invested in a way to get inside of its obviously a vertical city these type of buildings should a stand off occur. The opening of this building, Normal Entrance was blocked. At 9 00, mayor adams and the Police Commissioner are going to hold a press conference. Switching to the west coast, theres ucla that scene seemed more tense or chaotic, what do we know there . Based on the pictures and images weve seen, its absolutely the case. The lapd has been called to campus there. Obviously they have a situation that appears that they may have some counter protesters mixed up in this. That is something concerning when you have two groups clashing and then you have potential clashes with police. So thats something we continue to report on and get more information. All of this as we have approximately a dozen its not just east coast and west coast and more maybe universities or colleges that are associated with, you know, liberal viewpoints. Weve seen protests up and down and across the entire country. I think it does under score something that Law Enforcement is aware here as we continue into 2024, two things. One the kids are not all right. The kids graduating here on the four year high school, under graduate course, their last graduation was held on zoom because that was during the pandemic. We need a graduation to happen. So i think theyre looking for that graduation and you all talk about this all the time. The lack of interest, the lack of that students today and younger generations feel that politicians and people in this country are listening to them. So you saw this cause really big taken up in a way across the country, across political spectrums on campuses that we havent seen before. Two, i cant quite say where this is coming from to respect my agreements with some of these folks but theres a Foreign Police chief i heard recently saying once people believe that violence is a way to solve problems politically thats a problem that can last for generations. So we obviously have seen january 6th thank you for saying this. People believe that was the cause. I was somewhat heartened last night from a police and protester prospective we didnt see widespread violence at Columbia University. Did way the nypd handled it the way that nypd handled it give them credit and also the kids who said thats enough. And the scenes from ucla looking more chaotic and violent than scenes from columbia. I spoke to somebody late last night from the administration at columbia they said we had no choice. Now they hope they can get through the next two weeks of school, get through graduation and students go home. They can restore some semblance of calm on cam us. You have the conventions this summer, the election in november, the political atmosphere, as you point out tom, is fee briel in this country. Theres a fallout for sure. Those in the white house and Biden Campaign are watching. Donald trump is stoking this, blaming this on biden. Before we get into that, that argument as nonsense. We know there were young voters upset about the scenes in gaza. And theres fears that the scenes of tumult are turning off swing voters that dont want to see chaos. Its may, theres a long way till the election. But it is a concern. Graduations come in two weeks, President Biden is scheduled to give a couple of Commencement Addresses there are worries what could happen at those events. Say for instance there was a ceasefire tomorrow and the Ongoing Military Operations by israel or any sort of retaliation by hamas ended tomorrow. The concern in Law Enforcement community and from what ive seen is that its another ideology that will be picked up, certainly among these groups they dont care what the ideology is but among the dissatisfaction, the fact they believe two political candidates generations older than them, that are not speaking to them, the next thing in the jukebox of grievances they have concerns about, perhaps legitimate concerns about, is going to be picked up, thats something we need to Pay Attention to. Students for justice in palestine that group was outspoken before the war. Its not about how the war is being prosecuted its about how they feel, sometimes in awful ways, about israel. You have brown, where students and the school came to an agreement. Yales encampment has been broken up. It seems in some places this has run its course going on in a lot of places. Southern state schools, university of north carolina, Virginia Tech seeing these scenes. Do Law Enforcement, do the universities feel like this has some legs . Is this going to continue through the graduation . Certainly the nature of colleges and universities at some point kids are going to go home, go to summer jobs, internships. What columbia communicated, we would like you here through graduation to Law Enforcement, they are concerned are they dealing with the same problem again in a week. And some of the concerns about the anarchist groups theyll coop any movement and columbia shutdown well move to, pick a university. Or theyll come back to columbia. Give it a week they wont be as strict on security. So thats something they want to keep a handle on. At some point this runs its course for this semester but whatever the next thing is is going to be the next thing and i think thats coming as late as this fall. Well be following that. Nbc news investigation correspondent tom winter. Thank you for jumping in this morning. Still ahead on morning joe we turn to Donald Trumps Hush Money Trial. The takeaways from yesterday and there were a lot. Our next guest says just when the testimony had veered to snoozeland along came Keith Davidson, former lawyer to Stormy Daniels and Karen Mcdougal. Thats next on morning joe. s. And doug hello, ghostbusters. Its doug. Of doug and limu. We help people customize and Save Hundreds on Car Insurance with liberty mutual. Anyway, we got a bit of a situation here. Uhhuh. Uhhuh. [ metal groans] sure, i can hold. Only pay for what you need. Liberty Liberty Liberty Liberty Ghostbusters frozen empire. In theaters now. When you purchase a pair of bombas socks, tees, or underwear, you also donate one to someone facing homelessness. One purchased equals one donated. 100 million donations and counting. Visit bombas. Com and get 20 off your first order. Yesterday the judge fined donald trump 9,000 and warned him future violations could land him in jail. The judge also granted trumps request to attend his sons High School Graduation on may 17th. Testimony resumed with four witnesses taking the stand for the prosecution during the day. Next up was more from the former banker for Michael Cohen. Testifying about the creation of a Shell Company that prosecutors say was used to pay Adult Film Actress Stormy Daniels, the 130,000 Hush Money Payment to keep her quiet about an alleged affair with trump. But the days most significant witness was Keith Davidson who said he was subpoenaed to testify in the case and got himself immunity. Hes the former attorney for Stormy Daniels and Karen Mcdougal who also alleges an affair with trump. Trump denied any sexual encounters with either women. Davidson represented Stormy Daniels and Karen Mcdougal. He said he believes the money given to his clients was from trump but he could not recall Michael Cohen negotiating on trumps behalf. Lets bring in legal correspondent, lisa reuben. Keith davidson didnt say he remembered cohen saying this is for donald trump. What is the impact of that . You know, he said that he understood ultimately that the money was going to come from donald trump. And that was a very hard fought admission. The Assistant Da Leading the questioning, ran into his first big roadblocks yesterday trying to get that cleanly from Keith Davidson and trying to establish it was his understanding not just his assumptions, ultimately he got that even after cohen got frustrated and said, god blank it ill pay it myself. He got davidson to say but i understood at the end of the day that money was going to come from donald trump. And one of the ways he understood that, he said that cohen, part of his identity was he, worked for donald trump, he never let you forget it. It was clear whatever cohen was doing he was doing for trump at trumps behest. He could not make the payment without trumps knowledge and permission is the impression that davidson left us with. Making The Point To Go Step By step witness by witness of every part of this transaction. Is anything at this point surprising you in terms of the detail here and how much theyre pinning down exactly how this money ultimately got back to Michael Cohen through trump . I think whats surprising me is how pain staking it is. Exactly. And how much scaffolding theyre building around the narrative we understand from Michael Cohens permeation of our culture. Michael cohens narrative is one were all at this table and many of our viewers are familiar with. What we didnt know is how many other people touched this transaction, were a part of the conversations around it. For example the text yesterday the texts. Between Keith Davidson and dylan howard of American Media were revelatory about how much back and forth went into arranging these deals. In our coverage of trump over the years. He doesnt email. He covers his tracks. Theres no kind of nothing touches him. Although this felt a little different because there were a lot of texts and emails around him and there were more people involved than i expected. I thought it was going to be just Michael Cohen and ultimately the people who received the money. But no, this is a scheme with multiple participants. I was interested yesterday in how davidson said that after the access Hollywood Tape came out how things accelerated and changed then. Describe why that is important for the prosecution. After the access Hollywood Tape comes out, theres an understanding that even though the Stormy Daniels story has been in Circulation Dating back to 2011 and Keith Davidson described how his first interaction with cohen goes back to 2011 because cohen was furious it got into the public domain. But the way in which those two people interacted, i thought was fa

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