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MSNBCW The July 3, 2024

Katie phang show begins right now. Im katie phang, live from msnbc World Headquarters in new york and heres the week that was. Overnight, ucla beginning its crackdown on the campus pro palestinian in canada. Police in riot gear moving in early this morning. A tensed drama at columbia university. Nypd officers using a s. W. A. T. Truck to enter Hamilton Hall by force. Has to protest forced her to reconsider any of the policies in the region . No. Lawmakers in arizona today repealing their states 1864 abortion ban while in florida, and strict new limits took effect. The Biden Administration looking to reclassify the drug to schedule three like ketamine or testosterone or terminal, which would allow marijuana to be more easily studied for medical benefits. Next week, i will be calling this motion to vacate. Absolutely calling it. I cant wait to see democrats go out and support a republican speaker. Former President Trump hit with a fine at his house money trial. The judge finding multiple violations of the gag order prohibiting mr. Trump from attacking witnesses. Now threatening to throw him behind bars, saying jail may be a necessary punishment. One time top advisor to President Trump, hope hicks testified for the prosecution. Hope hicks did not testify she was engaged in negotiations or aware of the Hush Money Payments before they were made. I would say that mr. Trump was responsible. He knew what he wanted to say and how he wanted to say it and we were all following his lead. Hope hicks testifying yesterday before a jury in Donald Trumps Election Interference Trial explaining trump was involved in every aspect of his 2016 president ial campaign. Hope hicks admitting donald trump knew about the payment to Stormy Daniels and that it wasnt for Legal Services by michael coming. As for the weeping on the stand, sir Francis Bacon said it best. It is the wisdom of the crocodiles that shed tears when they would devour. Bombshell testimony unlike anything we have seen yet in Donald Trumps new york Election Interference Trial. A microphone dropped moment from the prosecution to close out the third week. Top former trump eight and Campaign Press secretary Hope Hicks On The Witness Stand revealing new insight into the late days of the 2016 campaign. Notably detailing the aftermath of the Access Hollywood, calling it a massive story and a crisis, as well as an article on a Hush Money Agreement between the National Enquirer publisher and Karen Mcdougal. As for the Stormy Daniels payment, hope hicks testified trump told her Michael Cohen had made them on his own to protect trump and did not want credit. Hope hicks added, i did not know michael to be and especially charitable or selfless person. He is the kind of person who seeks credit. Join me to break it all down, former Criminal Division deputy chief and former federal prosecutor, kristy greenberg. Thanks for being here. You and i tried so many cases in our careers, especially as prosecutors. The one thing jurors have as one of their biggest jobs is to determine the credibility of the witnesses. Thats not the judges job, that is the jury. Your thoughts about the credibility of somebody like hope hicks . She started her testimony with a lot of compliments toward donald trump. He is a master at communications and at branding. That is why, as you said, we were following his lead here. When she actually was delivering testimony against him, it made it all the more credible. She doesnt have an ax to grind. I would say the same with david pecker. He also said a lot of nice things about donald trump, he considered him a friend. When you are hearing from witnesses who have a close relationship or had a close relationship with the president , view them in a positive light when they say things that are hurtful to them and their case, it makes it that much more credible for the jury. What about what the defense is heralding as a victory, which was her saying Michael Cohen would often go rogue and that he made this payment purportedly or he as in Michael Cohen told donald trump he had made this payment to be selfless and to help him out . Lets be frank, every time Michael Cohen has testified, there has been corroboration coming up for him in his testimony. Whether you like him or not, Michael Cohen has said the truth and weve seen it in the documentation. Is the jury able to pick up on the nuances on this . Do you think they are able to glean that what hope hicks was saying yesterday was not true in terms of what donald trump told her . She was pretty clear when she said that, when Michael Cohen gave her this story and even donald trump gave her the story that he just did this because he was being terrible. She didnt buy it. She said hes not a terrible person. He is someone who claims credit. I dont think that really was something, the jury has heard so much about michael coming from everybody, most of it being really negative. Even though he hasnt taken the stand, they painted this picture of him as somebody who worked under the authority of donald trump. He could not make a move without clearing it by donald trump. Im going to talk to the boss. Im going to get his essay. The idea that now hes going rogue on Something Like this, that donald trump cared about. We heard from david pecker where david pecker was exciting that donald trump was so upset when he thought these stories were getting out about Karen Mcdougal and he wanted to be on the phone right away. You see donald trump at the center of this. On the Stormy Daniels payment, for all of a sudden for donald trump to have no idea what is going on and Michael Cohen is handling it without letting him know, it defies common sense. I think the jury will get that. I have to ask you because theres always a little bit of choreography that goes on that when you and i try cases, we have an order of witnesses where we put our witnesses on, especially as prosecutors. The jury is watching the call it theater. Im not trying to undermine what is at stake but it is theater and theres drama and when hope hicks whipped out of the tears right at the beginning of her cross by emil bove, i think they are crocodile tears. I didnt buy them at all. I want to get your take and what you thought about the power or the lack there of of those tears. It was an interesting moment. There are different theories about what is going on. I can tell you from being in the courtroom and seeing it myself, my thought was leading up to the moment where she has the microphone dropped at the end of her direct examination, where she says, you know, donald trump told me this would have been damaging had it come out earlier during the campaign, this would have damaged the campaign, that was a really important point for the prosecution and they ended on that point. Before that point, they had been asking a number of questions and she was very deliberate in her answers. Did you speak to Michael Cohen . Well, you know, not at that point. I thought you were asking me that day. I did speak to him after. Shes really parsing her words and being deliberate. That is she playing games . Shes doing all that, she seems kind of tense and nervous on the stand. When she delivers that body blow to him with the statement that, yes, it would have been damaging to the campaign. And it was after that yes, there were questions, very few questions on cross about like what her jobs were at the trump organization, which she had testified to. It didnt strike me that those questions were anything that was going to put her over the edge at all. She seemed emotional after she had delivered that testimony like knowing the weight of it. That was my sense because, again, i think she does want to please donald trump. I dont think she was in any way trying to necessarily hurt him. I think in that moment, she told the truth and she knew it was a really big moment. We dont have a ruling from judge juan merchan on the four violations of the gag order, one of which judge juan merchan indicated he wasnt really thinking was a big deal and david pecker , lamented as being a nice guy. You think judge juan merchan is inching its way toward incarceration. I personally think he should put donald trump in jail but i want to get your thoughts on this. I think the fact that he said if you keep it up i will impose jail because these fines are not getting it done. 9000. 00 is a slap on the wrist to donald trump. There have to be meaningful sanctions for him to continue to violate a court order, i agree with you that the time is long past for him to go in jail. Anyone else who violated a court order this many times, not once, not twice, it is not a mistake, he knows exactly what hes doing. Youre not just targeting the witnesses, you are targeting jurors. The latest set of violations includes a violation where he is talking about this jury is 95 democrats, i cant get a fair trial. You cant talk about the jurors. That is sacrosanct. The judge is inching there. Im not sure if he will get there on this one but it needs to happen. He needs to be treated just like everybody else. No one is above the law, right . Thank you so much for being here, kristy greenberg. It is so good to see you. Coming up, the cruelty is the point. One year after losing her baby due to floridas then 15 week abortion ban, a florida law is back to talk about how she and her family are healing from their tragedy and how she is fighting back against floridas even more restrictive six week abortion ban. Theres more to come on the katie phang show. Keep it right here. After advil lets dive in but. What about your back . Its fineeeeeeee [splash] before advil Advil Dual Action fights pain two ways. Advil targets pain at the source, acetaminophen blocks pain signals. Advil dual action. Inez, let me ask you, youre using head and shoulders, right . Only when i see flakes. Then i switch back to my regular shampoo. You should use it every wash, otherwise the flakes will come back. Tiny troy hes right, you know. Is that tiny troy . The ingredients in head and shoulders keep the microbes that cause flakes at bay. Microbes, really . Theyre always on your scalp. Little rascals. 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He just, i just kind of held him. I knew how hard a time he was having trying to breathe. He took his first breath and he took his last breath. Baby milo lived for 99 minutes. At 24 weeks, deborahs doctors told her fetus was suffering from potters syndrome. He had no kidneys and lungs were underdeveloped. The specialist said his condition was incompatible with life. At that time, floridas 15 week abortion ban prevented her from terminating the pregnancy and debra was forced to carry her nonviable pregnancy to full term. Floridas abortion ban is even more draconian with no abortions after six weeks of pregnancy with exceptions for rape, medical emergencies , and some fetal anomalies. Joining me now is deborah dorber. I was grateful for the privilege of being able to speak with you last year. Since then, you and i being ceridians have now seen a six week Abortion Ban Kick in in our state. I want to ask you straight off the top, how are you and your family doing . We have been struggling. I started struggling with my Mental Health. Fell into deep depression and suicidal thoughts. I started seeking out a psychologist and then my son had to see a psychologist as well, just to understand death. He doesnt understand everything that is going on. Just understanding the death of his brother has been difficult. We take it one day at a time. My thoughts go out to you, your husband, and kayden, your son. I know it has been a process. This tragedy you had to go through has had a Ripple Effect on your entire family. It is almost insensitive for me to talk about it but i want to know how this has affected your ability financially in terms of your health care and Mental Health care. I know that this was a financial struggle for you to begin with. That is part of why you didnt leave florida to get the abortion in the first place. Now people need to understand that there are still continuing consequences were being forced to have to carry a child to full term because of us. Financially, my husband had to get a second job because Health Insurance wont cover seeing a psychologist or therapy. You can imagine 200. 00 a visit. Two of us are going, that adds up on a weekly basis. Hes had to get a second job to help cover those bills not only from every and everything but all the treatment we need now. Just because insurance wont cover it. And then it has taken a big hit on our marriage. Weve been having to do some Marriage Counseling as well. Deborah, your bravery goes beyond just having to carry a child to full term only to have baby milo pass away, like i said after only 99 minutes. You have taken your bravery and an even bigger public sphere. He testified last month before congress about your journey and its impact on you and your loved ones. What did it mean for you to be able to have the opportunity to not only personalize what happened to you and congress but also give a voice to others . I just felt honored when congressman Debbie Wasserman schultz contacted me. It just, it felt very powerful that my voice to speak for all of us and to share what i went through. For me, it is a way to honor my son, who passed because he didnt deserve the way he died. I didnt deserve what i went through with my family. In november, we do have a constitutional amendment that will appear on the ballot. It would enshrine in our states constitution in florida the right to have an abortion. How do you feel about the fact that so many floridians, both on the republican side and the democratic side have said they are supporting the idea of getting this constitutional amendment passed the finish line . I think it is so important. When we go to the polls in november, abortion will be on the ballot to vote yes on the abortion. So we can overturn the six week bayern. I didnt know i was pregnant when i was six weeks. I think it will be very important to vote yes on abortion to get it passed. Deborah dorber, i want to emphasize how grateful i am for you to take the time to join me today. You have always been somebody i have looked to and admired for your courage and for being willing to speak about what happened to you with such transparency. Thank you for being here. Again, i appreciate you so much. Thank you so much. The head, kissing the ring. Several republican contenders for Vice President are in florida at a donald trump fundraiser. Who has the best chance for the number two spot on his ticket . First, the speaker fight. This week, Speaker Mike Johnson facing yet another promise from Marjorie Taylor greene to force a vote to oust him. That story when we come back. Stay with us. Ay with us. If you spit blood when you brush, it could be the start of a domino effect. 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