ProPalestinian Protesters at another university well look back at an infamous antiwar protest that turned deadly 54 years ago, today. The professor bella tony, and guests join me to discuss kent state. Congressman sarah jacobs is here to discuss political fallout over the latest protests. The insider, who picks, one of Donald Trumps closest advisers offers emotional and damning testimony. Barbara quaid will discuss the significance. And the queen of chaos. Marjorie Taylor Greene looks to oust Speaker Mike Johnson. But, should democrats help save Mike Johnsons job . Im jonathan capehart, and this is the saturday show. Student protests against the Israel Hamas War continue to boil over at campuses as universities grapple with how to handle disruptions at upcoming graduation ceremonies. Just hours ago tensions escalated at the University Of Virginia after police began removing an encampment near the Chapel Grounds that had been in place for nine days. Officials say the situation is now stabilized, the police are still on the scene. And this morning a group of propalestinian demonstrators briefly interrupted the University Of Michigans commencement, but no arrests were reported. Over 2400 have been arrested or detained on dozens of College Campuses, including hundreds of arrests at ucla and Columbia University, where police in riot gear cleared out protesters. And now, new nbc reporting reveals Columbia University is reassessing its Commencement Plans following Security Concerns over the protests. On thursday, President Biden publicly addressed the demonstrations and those concerns for the first time. The dissent must never lead to denying the rights of students who can finish the semester and their college education. Its basically a matter of fairness, its a matter of whats right. Theres the right to protest, but not the right to cause chaos. Those words ring urgent as the country marks a somber anniversary today that reminds us of a big fear surrounding these nationwide protests, but the potential of violence, 54 years ago, at kent state university, members of Ohio National guard opened fire into a crowd of demonstrators who were protesting the expansion of the vietnam war into cambodia. Four students were killed, nine others were injured. The shootings sent shockwaves across the country and came to symbolize the deep cultural and political divisions of the time. But, the protests at kent state were part of a much larger Antiwar Movement on College Campuses that had been getting momentum for years. On april 30th, 1968, at Columbia University, Police Forcibly rested nearly 700 students, who had taken over five campus buildings, including hamilton hall. In addition to opposing the vietnam war, the students were also protesting racism against african americans. Exactly 56 years later, on april 30th, 2024, at Columbia University, Police Arrested more than 100 people after pro Palestinian Protesters broke in and occupied hamilton hall. Processed or was heard shouting lets finish what they did in 1968. One nypd officer excellently fired his gun inside the building, luckily there were no students in the immediate vicinity, and no one was injured. While parallels between these two Antiwar Movements are obvious there are notable differences. During the vietnam war students were protesting those who were protesting faced a real possibility of being drafted into the conflict. Some students likely had already lost family and friends to the war, which claimed more than 58,000 american lives. Today proPalestinian Protesters are speaking out against the divisive conflict on The Other Side of the globe, and they dont face the risk of being sent to war, so the question is, will the movement be able to sustain momentum beyond this school year and at this moment . One student told the Washington Post activists are already making plans for the future saying no one plans on leaving this summer. Joining me now, Christina Belantoni , director of usc media center. And michael, president ial historian, author of president s of war. Christina and michael, thank you both very much for joining me on the saturday show. With graduations coming and school out for the summer, ill ask you will the momentum will the movement, be able to sustain momentum . So every College Campus is a little different. Usc you have students, probably a few hundred, who have an encampment outside. They have not occupied it buildings. We are likely clearing that via lapd today. There are journalists covering today and have been the only press allowed to witness what is going on, because the campuses closed to outside visitors. The students we have talked to, ive talked to some personally, and what they are recording but many of them say they will stick around, but many of them have plans to go home for the summer. Why we dont allow outside visitors youre not going to see people and start camping that arent usc students. I will say a lot of these students are from the areas affected. We have many students who have said they have lost Family Members in gaza. We have a lot of students who have a connection to the Terrorist Attack on october 7th. Theres a lot of really deep feelings and pain there. We dont know as much whether they will stick around. Commencement is friday. According to University Officials those arrested at hamilton hall, a portion had no affiliation with the school. You were saying no one from the outside is allowed on campus. Im wondering. Have you seen an influx of outsiders . Everyday its been a little different. We can have to go there were 93 arrests of that number, 53 were students. We know there were some faculty as well, so you can do the math there. Right now outside guests are not allowed on campus, but they were allowed previously. It seems to me many of them are students studying for their finals, and the numbers have dropped since that was closed off to campus. Michael, how do these demonstrations compared to the Antiwar Movements in the 60s, and what lessons should todays leaders take from what happened at kent state 54 years ago today . Well the lesson from kent state of course i think, i think you would both agree, you know, never use Military Force to try to stop a demonstration that is peaceful. And those National Guard troops were sent in by the governor of ohio am a james rhodes. Four killed, five wounded. It was a national tragedy. Even Richard Nixon, who had waged that invasion of cambodia he had what looked like an emotional breakdown. Could not sleep, got up before dawn, called for his car, went with his valley to the Lincoln Memorial where students were protesting and tried to engage them by talking about sports. Didnt work too well, but it did show nixon was not entirely stonefaced. Let me get you on one more thing, michael. How concerned are you the 2024 Democratic Convention in chicago will go the way of the 1968 Democratic Convention in chicago . Well, i am old enough to have actually been living around chicago when that occurred, but i remember those National Guard helicopters flying overhead, and the fact Richard Nixon and his people rejoiced when that convention dissolved into violence and police were beating up protesters, and it looked as if hubert humphrey, the democratic nominee and his linden johnson, nixon rubbed salt in the wound by going to the motorcade in chicago about a week or two later which was entirely peaceful, and the message was clear, he was trying to say make me president i can restore Law And Order. That election was won by only 400,000 popular votes. Without the violence Richard Nixon would not have been elected. Real quick, michael, i want you to listen to what Bernie Sanders said on cnn. This week. I am thinking back, and other people are making this reference, that this may be bidens vietnam. Lyndon johnson in many respects was a very very good president , domestically, brought forth some major pieces of legislation. He chose not to run in 68 because of opposition to his views on vietnam. Michael, both christina and i said wow, those are strong words. You agree with Senator Sanders assessment . Well, to the extent the protest is heartfelt and widespread, and we dont know whether it will last through the summer, or much longer, or if it will metastasize in chicago. So, in that respect there is a parallel to the vietnam war, may god for bid, nine years, and that protest, hate to say it, but Student Protests basically begin to ebb away, when the graph of Young Americans was canceled, and students were not as much at risk. There were for the protests, but they never had the energy they did during the time Young Americans on campus were at risk of being sent off to vietnam. Christina, Last Question for you, despite the protests, and the tensions created on campus, this must be an incredibly proud moment for you, because you have Student Journalists who have been providing aroundtheclock coverage and sometimes under the threat of violence and being arrested. Talk about how critical it is that Student Journalists are the ones who are informing the nation about whats happening. In our case they are the only ones allowed on campus. Many of them are informing news outlets and whats happening. In addition you are seeing this is no better training. We can train them in the classroom. Rarely is it so poignant, and you dont usually see your peers arrested on Live Television a week and half ago. Shout out to the newsroom that i oversee, to the daily trojan, the daily campus newspaper, and the daily berlin at ucla, where they did incredible coverage, and some were assaulted in counterprotest incidents. For these students to be learning in this way would it affects their peers, and its their graduation that has been canceled, the main ceremonies, its a lot to process, and we just encourage them to ask questions, to start with facts, report what you see, and bear witness to what could end up being a moment that does echo in History Books like 1968. Christina bellantoni, michael beschloss, thank you. Drama in the courtroom in the Hush Money Intellection election case. Trump 2. 0. His vision if he is elected again includes plans to use the military for mass deportations, the chair of the congressional hispanic caucus, congresswoman annette Paragon Joins me later with reaction. With reaction. Hi. I use febreze fade defy plug. And i use this. Febreze has a microchip to control Scent Release so it smells firstday fresh for 50 days. 50 days . And its refill reminder light means ill never miss a day of freshness. look, things may seem fine down there, but you need to watch out for diseases. 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Attorney, barbara mcquaid, professor at University Of Michigan law school, cohost of the hashtag sisters in law podcast. Her new book is attack from within, how disinformation is sabotaging america. Barbara, thank you for coming to the saturday show. Okay, barbara, am i making too much of hope hicks saying on the stand i think mr. Trumps opinion is, it was better to be dealing with it now, and it would have been bad to have that story come out before the election. That seems to get at the Election Interference argument the prosecution has been making. Again, or, am i making too much of it . No, i think youre absolutely right, jonathan. I think in fact its no surprise this came at the end of her testimony as the prosecutors heard those words come out of her mouth they wisely sat down and said we are done here. 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