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MSNBCW Katy July 3, 2024

Likely. Lets start with Fulton County, an Appeals Court will hear the former president s challenge disqualify d. A. Fani willis from his election interference case. What it all means for the trial, which still does not have a start date. Delay is also the word of the day in florida. Judge Aileen Cannon has ruled the classified documents trial technically scheduled to start later on this month, its going to be postponed indefinitely, and why . And what options if any does special counsel jack smith have now . And then we have the proceedings that we have been glued to all week in new york, Stormy Daniels will return to the Witness Stand again tomorrow for Donald Trumps Hush Money Case after a day of compelling testimony that sparked a Mistrial Demand from trumps lawyers. And audible cursing from the former president himself. What will she tell the court next, and does any of that directly implicate donald trump when it comes to charges he falsified business records. Weve got a whole lot to cover for you. Were going to start with the latest today. Joining us right now, we have nbc news correspondent, blayne alexander, political reporter at the atlanta journalconstitution, and msnbc contributor, greg blue stein, and msnbc legal analyst, catherine christian. Blayne, were going to start with you, and get to the news out of Fulton County today, Donald Trumps appeal of a decision to keep d. A. Fani willis on his election interference trial, it is going to be heard. Remind us of the ruling hes challenging and what happens now . Well, what happens is the issue that many people thought was closed and over and done with in this Georgia Election interference case is now going to stretch on for a little bit longer. Its certainly not going to carry a lot of the drama, quite frankly that, it brought the first time. This is the allegation that fani willis was improperly benefitting financially from a personal relationship that she had with former special prosecutor nathan wade. The judge ruled that she could stay on the case, the case could proceed uninterrupted as long as nathan wade resigned, and he did that day, and scott mcafee said hes going to move on. The Appeals Court says theyre g going to hear that challenge, that appeal. I think its important to point out a couple of things. The first time that we saw this tried before judge mcafee in a series of hearings, it was before live tv cameras. We saw the d. A. Herself take the Witness Stand for a couple of hours. Were not going to see any of that this time around. This is the Appeals Court. Each attorney gets 15 minutes to make their case, the judge makes their ruling as necessary. The other thing to point out is that judge scott mcafee said while Everything Else is going on, hes not going to stop his train from moving forward. Hes going to be having hearings, Going Forward on motions, basically saying hes not going to let that stop whats going on with this case. Now, a couple of things, were getting responses, i reached out to the d. A. s office, theyre not commenting on this. Who we are hearing from is steve sadow, President Trump looks forward to presenting arguments to the Georgia Court of appeals as to why the case should be dismissed and Fulton County d. A. Should be disqualified for her misconduct. How this plays out remains to be seen. Again, the Appeals Court will take this matter up. Blayne, thank you so much for setting all of that up for us, we appreciate your time here. Were going to move to you now, greg. So time line, talk to us about that from your reporting. How likely is it that this case gets to trial before november. Very very unlikely, really almost impossible to get this case to trial before november. Thats because what happens next is the case gets docketed in the Appeals Court, and assigned to a randomly picked threejudge panel, and if it gets docketed before july, which it should, that means theres essentially a March Deadline for the court to rule. Thats why most of the attorneys watching the case closely dont think it will get to trial until at least 2025. Hang on. Youre saying that this is going to be presented, that each side gets 15 minutes according to blayne alexanders reporting, and that that will happen by july. And it will not get ruled upon until march. Well, i dont know when the oral arguments will be scheduled, but there is a if they docket it by july, that means theyll have a march 2025 deadline to rule. If that makes a little bit more sense. The Appeals Court could schedule the arguments later this year or they could schedule them early next year. What were looking at now is the likelihood of a ruling not coming anytime before, or anytime after march 2025. Okay. Got that. We heard the report from blayne, judge mcafee has not set the trial date. Hes going to allow Trial Preparations to go forward while the appeal is underway. How long could Something Like this typically take. You heard me querying greg, like that long. This case is not going to trial this year. And according to My Georgia Criminal Law practitioners, the defendants can include as part of this appeal, all of the judgments, rulings or orders that are rendered in the case. Judge mcafee thinks hes going to be moving it along, he may not be moving it along. Basically what this does is cripple this case from moving forward. And i think, you know, 2025 in march is probably, you know, an optimistic date. There still are, you know, at least 15 defendants. This is not going to happen this year. Okay. And lets throw this into the mix because theres a reminder here, president s cannot dismiss or pardon state charges, right, but if trump wins a second term that could complicate any state cases moving forward while hes in office, right . That would just add up to more delay . Exactly, i can envision, assuming hes the next president of the united states, you know, i cant be on trial in georgia, im the president of the united states. While he cant pardon himself for these state cases, he can adjourn the case. Were not going to see a trial in this case anytime in the near future. Okay. Can i just ask, complete hypothetical, if that were to happen, the president gets reelected, he has legitimate reason to delay this case until, i guess, that would be 2029 at the earliest, does that mean evidence dissipates and this thing entirely falls apart . Anytime, and why Defense Attorneys love delays, not just Donald Trumps defense attorney, any defense attorney, witnesses, memories failed. Witnesses decide, i dont want to be bothered. Witnesses die. Evidence disappears, so you always want to delay. Now, the other defendants will have no excuse. Remember, theyre codefendants, their cases, if they havent pled guilty or the case has been dismissed, will go forward, but Donald Trumps will not. Okay. Heres Something Else to consider in all of this, craig, not only is willis on the ballot in may and november, she also has an Ongoing Senate probe into the inner works in her office. Can you put in perspective the political pressure shes under . The pressure has been beyond the courtroom for fani willis in georgia. Shes expected to win another term in office in november, but she has to face a democratic challenger, in two weeks in georgia, and a republican challenger in november who could use all of these motions, this legal fighting to sort of bolster her campaign, and at least give fani willis more headaches. At the same time, there is a Georgia Senate panel engineered by Lieutenant Governor burt jones, who is raising questions about how shes managing her office. She could end up being called, subpoenaed to testify before that panel soon as well. So her headaches are only growing in georgia. Greg bluestein, thank you for your assessment of all of that. Were going to turn now to florida so im going to let you go and stay with you, catherine, as we look at the classified documents case. Your reaction to judge Aileen Cannon delaying this trial indefinitely, and her justification for doing so. Is it warranted . Its not surprising because this particular judge has been moving very slow throughout this case, so its not surprising and the indefinite she has given the reason that there are all of these complicated hearings because this involves classified information. In fact, she scheduled a sealed hearing today, telephonically, and its just not prudent to schedule a trial date until we get through all of these pretrial issues. So this is another case that will not be going to trial before election day this year. Got to wonder what jack smith is thinking about this. Can he do anything about it . In an april filing, responding to judge cannons request for jury instructions, he indicated he could appeal to the 11th circuit court, have her removed from the case. Is getting rid of her an option, and would that mean more delay . More delay, and there really is no reason. Judgments for recusal because shes moving slow. Judge cannon is not the only slow moving judge in this country. She has been very careful on the record not to say anything to show that shes partial to donald trump and anti the government. There really isnt a lot for the special counsel to do. One more question here, and its one of these, you know, hindsight being 20 20. Would this have come up with jack smith filed the case with the d. C. Court, which is familiar with this type of documented paper trail . Well, it was filed in florida because thats where the crime occurred. You know, those classified documents were kept at maralago. The alleged obstruction and the tampering with evidence happened in florida. So thats why it was filed there. You file it where the crime occurred. Okay. Well, that all makes sense. Catherine christian, thank you so much for weighing in on all of it. Back in new york, Stormy Daniels will return to the stand, what do expect after her explosive testimony and what it means for the case. New details on why the u. S. Halted a Weapons Shipment to israel and what an israeli official is saying about growing tensions between the two countries. And infighting and an eye roll with a back and forth with Marjorie Taylor greene, were back in a quick 90 seconds. Secs Elevator Doors Opening wait, theres an elevator . 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Daniels walked through her alleged sexual encounter with donald trump in 2006 and the subsequent attempts to bury it in excruciating detail, firing up the former president s lawyers who demanded and failed to secure pa mistrial, and donald trump himself who was admonished by the judge for Audibly Cursing as daniels spoke. Will any of her testimony move the prosecution closer to proving its case. Well see when daniels is back on the stand for continuing crossexamination tomorrow. Yasmin vossoughian who was in the courtroom yesterday and back with us, former assistant d. A. For the Manhattan District Attorneys Office and msnbc legal analyst, catherine christian. Thank you for listening to the control booth, and not me. I actually needed to talk to you some more. Here we go, yasmin, with you having been inside the court yesterday, there was a pretty shocking moment where donald trump was admonished for curses audibly while Stormy Daniels testified about their alleged sexual encounter. What happened . It was hard to know what was happening. I cant necessarily see the front of Donald Trumps face. I was just about six rows back looking directly at the back of his head, alex, and many times throughout Stormy Daniels testimony, you heard or saw donald trump whispering to todd blanche to his left, and oftentimes when there was a Bench Meeting or a pull aside, bove would get into blanches seat and talk trump through what was happening, while discussing things with judge juan merchan. As we look back at the transcript, we can understand what was happening at some of the Bench Meetings, and we came to learn in the moments that she was testifying about the sexual encounter or the alleged sexual encounter in 2006 after they met at the celebrity golf tournament, the former president was cursing audibly and making faces. The jury, by the way, can see the former president directly. The former president is sitting diagonal to the jury. The jury is sitting near the witness, Stormy Daniels sitting in the Witness Stand. The judge was worried about the jury seeing the way the former president was reacting to Stormy Daniels testimony that could prejudice them in assessing her testimony, and intimidation of the witness. I will say that juan merchan admitted that Stormy Daniels was giving extra details that they didnt necessarily want as part of her testimony. It was something that todd blanche brought up early in the day when they realized Stormy Daniels was going to be testify. They didnt want direct testimony about the evening, the details surrounding the sexual encounter. She went into at her own volition. I will say that he seemed very animated. He seemed very engaged with his attorneys throughout her entire testimony. The jury, for their part, by the way, alex, they were also very engaged throughout stormys testimony, kind of watching the back and forth between the peoples attorney and Stormy Daniels, much like a tennis match. That is interesting. So catherine, the defense spent pretty much most of its questioning time trying to poke holes in daniels character witness. They were saying that some of her story on the stand didnt match what she had written in her book, showing the old social media posts, mocking donald trump, but does this actually matter to the jury. The case is about falsifying business records, so whats the benefit in trying to make Stormy Daniels look like a liar. It matters to the jury if the defense for witness after witness can find some doubt in their testimony because, yes, they had sex, she was paid. Theres no, i think, there was obviously a disagreement about whether or not they had sex but i dont think theres a disagreement about whether or not she was paid. The question is did Michael Cohen do it at the behest of donald trump. So the crossexamination, youre allowed to attack the witness about their bias, hostility, and prior inconsistent statements, and theres a lot of it here with this witness. And the defense attorney, Susan Necheles, let me say this, new york criminal law practitioners, especially those of us who Work In Manhattan are familiar with Susan Necheles, and shes a very good lawyer and has a good reputation as being a criminal defense attorney. So, yes, the payment is there. The only question that is whether or not donald trump had anything to do with it. But she was a necessary witness to establish that she was told to be silent, and that happened after the access Hollywood Tape hit, and she was paid for it by Michael Cohen. Okay. So we had a slew of objections, catherine, from defense, they were sustained. A mistrial request. Judge merchan saying that daniels was offering up more information than she was being asked to relate. How is the prosecution feeling about her testimony going into tomorrow, since its a day off told, how might they be prepping her . They cant prep her because shes in the middle of crossexamination, so thats the rule. She is now the defense in the middle of the crossexamination. What the prosecution are probably think about are they going to redirect her, is she going to do what she did on direct, and just sort of spew out information that, quite frankly, was irrelevant and prejudicial. And

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