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MSNBCW Dateline July 3, 2024

Lui. We have a special hour from iran state tv, and theyre reporting irans president , ebrahim raisi, was killed in a Helicopter Crash sunday. The president was traveling back from a visit to the Iranian Border with azerbaijan when the helicopter he was traveling in made a crash landing. For hours Rescue Workers were searching for the wreckage and any survivors. They have found the crash site, and there were no survivors. Bad weather believed to have contributed to this crash and it certainly slowed down Search And Rescue efforts, which were going on for hours. U. S. Senate majority leader, chuck schumer, earlier sunday saying intelligence authorities informed him there was no evidence of foul play in this crash. Adding that it looks like an accident, but still being fully investigated. Now the death of irans president comes during a volatile time in this region. Iran and israel have exchanged attacks directly on each other just last month. Militant groups have also attacked israel as well as western ships in the red sea. Thats a part of it. Still remains in control over iran after this unfortunate news. Lets go to nbc chief correspondent richard engel. Richard, as you have been following this story, what is the right way to look at this, summarize it, and what are the reactions youre looking for from the region . Reporter so this was a shocking turn of events. A Helicopter Crash. Im also hearing from sources that foul weather, not foul play are believed to be responsible. The fact that the president was traveling in this area in high fog does indicate that dense fog. It does indicate that weather was most likely the factor in that, presumed to have been the factor. He was traveling from azerbaijan, one of the helicopters crashed. We first learned about this about 12 hours ago and that meant the period of darkness in iran that were search parties, all dispatched to the area and the other aircrafts as well, drones. But according to this, the iranians, after 12 hours, perhaps more or longer, but thats how long it has been in the public domain. And we have been speculating what this meant. It was a presumption that he did not survive that Helicopter Crash because of where they went down in dense forest, the mountainous area between iran and azerbaijan. Now there are two questions. What happens in the short term . How do they find a new president . And how do they find a new leadership . And then what happens for the future for iran and as the islamic islamic successor. Hes one of only two names mentioned in iran in private and talking about the succession of the Supreme Leader is the subject. This is not a country where you have in the United States channels, like on cable channels, that we would have endless speculation about what will happen and who will come up. This is not something that is allowed to discuss. Its considered too highly sensitive. But now this private conversation has been forced out into the open because of the unexpected death of the president. And those two questions will be, who takes over immediately according to their constitution. It should be the Vice President and hes expected to have elections within 50 days. He might not do that because these are unchartered times where they might want to hold off longer while they try to work out the larger issue, which is will replace the Supreme Leader. So this is something the United States will be watching extraordinarily closely. Something that israel will be watching, exrod nairly closely because were in the middle of the Hot War In The Middle East on the hot war that just last month had the potential of breaking out into that war with the United States and with iran. Because of the tensions. Iran did not, my understanding through many conversation of intelligent sources did not direct the hamas october 7 attack, but certainly has been supportive of it and certainly celebrated, has been championing hamas. And it seems quite likely according to the analyst that their external positions are not going to change. But in the immediate short term, they may need to be focused on the domestic side in which they are not as interested in having a new round with israel. A new round with israel through hezbollah potentially just in the short term because they have to sort out these very significant Leadership Questions at home. Richard, lets bring in nbc chief correspondent, kier simmons. You were reporting earlier on sunday, the thickness of this fog, as well as Iran State Media that many of these 40 or more rescue teams were on foot for two kilometers trying to get to the site. What were some of the conditions on the lead up . Of course the question that remains for us if youre just joining us, why and how . Well, it was clearly a very difficult effort. Given the importance of those on board, the helicopter, the combined effort. To see if there are any survivors, that were in the mounted terrain, and that could tell you about the area. Its over at the border and it was foggy as he says that it was absolutely foggy and you know that to keep that in mind that this is a region, where the conspiracy theory, finger pointing is the norm. But they show you this terrible weather as we have heard them try the announcement of the death of the president raisi. Weve heard them talk about the cause. So now we will wait to see it as it is morning time, breakfast time here in the gulf, just across the water from iran. So people will be taking this in and many people will be waking up to the news right now. And how iran will frame it to blame iran will talk about whether they will talk about issues with the helicopter or make other kinds of accusations. Any of those are possible depending on the politics and what they think is expeditious for them. That will be their primary focus as they just lost the primary focus for iran right now will be ensuring ability in their own domestic concern. And ashley, you heard the Supreme Leader even prior to the announcement, making a statement, saying we pray to god that he will be found and also saying dont worry, this will not affect the policy of the future. So i think these hours, despite the clear evidence of what will predict these will be unpredictable and the guiding force, quite frankly in these coming hours and that will be worrying leaders all the way to washington. And claudio, youre looking at the video with Everyone Else who is just getting their eyes on the prelude to this Breaking News. We just got that overnight and as kier simmons was just saying that the president of iran was not the only person on this helicopter. The Foreign Minister was also on this helicopter, unfortunately . Thats right, as we were told the governor of azerbaijan. And as well as, of course, his Security Detail for raisi. So there were several people there that have died and it is the president and the Foreign Minister. So that means it will be a major shakeup in iran following the next few days and leading up to that election. And what we saw also overnight, when this was the news widely anticipated that raisi lost his life in that crash until about half an hour ago to announce it officially. State media was laying out prayers for raisi. They are also iranians to pray, and airing images of large groups of people, praying for raisi, and that is what we expect them to do is to show the outpouring of morning by the iranian people, perhaps praying for raisi. Whether that is the general feeling across iran, we dont know and we hope that they will concentrate on that now. And now as richard and kier were saying that we know it was a very bad weather, foggy conditions. Trying to reach the location and make out the people there because it was very small and short visibility, just a few things that they said when they would reach that site. We got information that there was no sign of life and only an hour later, with anchors on area one, wearing black, in sign of clear morning, anticipating the news that we were waiting to hear and it will be interesting to play out as we will see them mourning and we will see leaders reacting from Around The World, but it will be very interesting to see the other leaders. They will take this opportunity perhaps to steer their emotions and blame intervention or influence our foreign agents, for instance, israel or the United States or whether they will just stick through what is most likely the cause of that crash, which was as far as we know for now, bad weather or perhaps the president of iran as well as the Foreign Minister were flying in. Richard . Keir simmons, as well as richard engel. Standby. We will take a short break. The question is how will the United States react to this . What might they do with this latest development . We will approach that subject when we return on the Breaking News of the death of irans president right after this. Some things should stand the test of time. Long lasting eylea hd could significantly improve your vision and can help you go up to 4 months between treatments. If you have an eye infection, eye pain or redness, or allergies to eylea hd, dont use. 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Again, iran tv confirming the president of iran was killed in a Helicopter Crash. If you are just joining us here on msnbc, leading up to the news was the word or terms of a hard crash. That they had boarded along with two other helicopters, a total of three according to Iran State Media. We now know according to Iran State Media that at the crash site you see on screen in the upper left that the hell continue or of irans president had crashed and no signs of life were found at this crash site. Some of the videos that youve seen as well as it is very clear here that the fog according to the story line is consistent with if this video is close to the site. Claudio is still with us. As we look at what might the reactions coming forward from this news, what should we be looking out for . Not only from the region, but in this region that we have been discussing, the level of instability to begin with is quite a noticeable level . Of course, and we have just received the first reaction as you would expect thats coming from hamas, as you know, of course, iran and hamas that were linked as they supported the palestinian coast for a long time. And they also supported hamas both financially and also with training and there was a lot of speculation of how involved that it could have been or how much it could have helped hamas during the october 7 attacks, even though they always denied the involvement. Now they sent out saying they offer their sincere condolences to the iranian people and to the alliance and im just reading a bit of it saying we are confident that we will be able to overcome the repercussion of this great loss. The dear iranian people have ancient institutions capable of dealing with these severe ordeals. You would expect them to be one of the first to react. Now it is about 7 20 in the morning here in rome and the rest of Continental Europe and a bit earlier, of course, in london and Eastern Parts of europe, so we are still waiting to hear from leaders here to come in and it will be interesting to hear what they are. But this statement from hamas is interesting because it will say that the institution is capable of dealing with this severe ordeal and clearly as richard was saying earlier, the president , the death of the president of iran doesnt really create the major issues in the way it has been run sitisly because of the main leader. And one of the major impacts as richard was saying after the death of the president of iran raisi, is that raisi was one of the, if not, the front runner to replace as Supreme Leader. So now really iran still has a Supreme Leader and that is the leader that they answer to, the Supreme Leader. So this would only be a matter of finding a new president with the same perhaps, the Hard Line Policies of raisi. So it is not to create any problems or confusions in the way this country is being run. But the one immediate thing that were interested in is the reactions from Around The World and we are waiting for reactions as leaders across europe because im here and they are just waking up to this news. The reaction from hamas as we would look into something that you have covered very deeply as you look at the reaction to hamas. What does it mean to lose one of the key operational leaders, the president of iran, to the wars that they have engaged in and does it get a hiccup for the moment . And it probably does not as they are correct in one thing that they do have institutions, but they are not ancient institutions. It is relatively recent and new and kings that ran iran for thousands of years. They were overthrown. The entire system was abolished in 1979 when you would have the rival of the resolution system. There have been two Supreme Leaders. The first one i told them and their successor, i told him. So this country is still relatively new. This is a relatively new theory. And what they did in 1979 and it was just the end of the iran and iraq war, the american Hostage Crisis when the u. S. Embassy was taken over by radical students. Out of that environment, the iranians decided with protest on the streets and then a quick takeover by the theory was that the way to go forward in iran was to have a state controlled system with clerics in charge. And a state of what is the official name of the system its the shadow of god of thee rock shy holding the country under a tight grip in terms of moral policy, all related because it is a theocracy. What kind of clothing . Women can wear and what kind of relations they are allowed to have with the outside world. All of the policies are set by the Supreme Leader. The current Supreme Leader is 85 years old. As i said, only the second Supreme Leader in the country. And so this is a double blow that will create a shortterm crisis that hamas is right about. They will be able to get through this. Dont expect any change in policy from iran that is suddenly going to cut off support for iran, cut off support for the palestinian people. Iran has ruled through proxies. That is something they did before and they have hezbollah, iran, and the houthis. Thats something they did and it is something they are likely to do after him as well. But the fundamental shift, is this a moment where those who dress in religious garb who are the contributors of the top of the system, will this shake their Leadership Role . Will they be run by clerics with the daytoday affairs managed by the hardline military, the Revolutionary Guard, or is this an opportunity for them to assert themselves and take over, that i have been thinking about this. In many ways, that we could be in that moment where he was sort of in the end of his career and he was very sick, seen as an alcoholic, and went to someone from the security services. He went to someone who is an unknown factor and we saw it transition away from the leadership and away from the bureau and those names, moving toward

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