Against him, then she did. Mika, hold on. Hold on. I have a list. Im so shocked. Im so shocked. Okay. We want to hear your list. Its a list. Im checking it off. Okay. She wouldnt run against him, then she did. Three months ago, he was too unhinged to get a drivers license. Now yeah. Now, nikki haley will vote for donald trump for president of the United States. Good morning, everybody. Willie, this is one of those, im shocked, shocked. Shes done this over and over again, right . Yeah. I will say, lets just say it off the top, this happens in politics. I mean, you know, people say nasty things about other people when theyre running against them for president. In the primary. Then they come together. I do think, though, everybody has to make a choice. In 2024, you know, nikki haley could have made the choice that a lot of conservative republicans have made. Im going to be talking to Charlie Sykes about that in a little bit. That is, you know what, stay conservative. Dont go along with the authoritarian. Dont go along with the guy that wants to amass more power in the white house and more power in washington, d. C. , than any president in american history. So her choice is support an authoritarian and a guy who has promised hes going to be an authoritarian, and i could go down the list, but he is promising it every day. Vote for me, donald trump says, and i will be a menace to american democracy. Nikki haley basically hinted at that and also called him a bully. Said he was unstable. Said he was unhinged, too unhinged to get a drivers license, as mika said. Now, its like, oh, biden, hes a disaster. I love how they talk about biden being a disaster. They cant really name anything. They go, oh, Student Loans, its so horrible. They compare Student Loans with people trying to overthrow american democracy, not understanding just how out of it and how stupid. They dont call joe biden a socialist or a marxist or a communist with the dow over 40,000, with the economy stronger than its ever been. Again, them not realizing just how stupid they sound. But, you know, everybodys got to choose. She has chosen. Unlike a lot of good conservatives, shes chosen the authoritarian leader. So let her go with that, and its on her, not us. Yeah. By the way, she could make the choice that so many of her own supporters have been making in the primaries but not voting for donald trump. Not saying that i love joe biden but saying, im not willing to take the country down the road of donald trump again, which were seeing in primary after primary. Shes getting 15 , 20 on a campaign that she shut down a couple months ago. A campaign that she ended by quoting Margaret Thatcher and saying, never just follow the crowd. Suggesting, im not just going to fall in line with donald trump. Thats all she does. Im never going to fall in line with trump. Now, here she is, a move that seemed inevitable to most people. She called him unhinged several times. He used a Birther Attack on her. He went after her husband who is deployed in the United States military overseas. Asking, wheres the husband . Well, he was defending the country after the world. Right. None of that seems to matter. Go back to ted cruz and marco rubio. Weve had this conversation a thousand times. It just doesnt matter. Even take out the personal stuff. As you guys point out, were not talking about, is it joe biden or john mccain . Is it joe biden or mitt romney . Is it joe biden or george bush . Were talking about a guy who has promised to undermine the foundations of this country and has already attempted to do so in our last election. Yeah, i mean, she could have waited perhaps for a moment to come her way with all the different dynamics in this election. You never know. Shes chosen to go with trump. Never know. Along with joe, willie, and me, we have the host of Way Too Early, White House Bureau chief at politico, jonathan lemire. The president of the National Action network and host of msnbcs Politics Nation, reverend al sharpton. Nbc News NationalAffairs Analyst john heilemann. Partner and chief Political Columnist at puck. Former white house Director Of Communications topalmieri. Shes cohost of the podcast how to win 2024 with claire mccaskill. And msnbc contributor and author of the book how the right lost its mind, Charlie Sykes. So here we are. Here is more of what nikki haley said yesterday in her first public appearance since exiting the race back in march, followed by what she was saying about trump during the primary. Id put my prioriies on a president who has the backs of our allies and holds our enemies to account, would secure the border, no more excuses. A president that would support capitalism and freedom. A president who understands we need less debt, not more debt. Trump has not been perfect on these policies. I have made that clear many, many times. But biden has been a catastrophe. So i will be voting for trump. Having said that, i stand by what i said in my suspension speech. Trump would be smart to reach out to the millions of people who voted for me and continue to support me and not assume that theyre just going to be with him. And i genuinely hope he does that. You know, that is one of the most remarkably unmoored from facts description on why youre voting for donald trump ive ever heard in my life. I mean, it is Mind Boggling that somebody who actually claims to know anything about policy would say what she just said. Im not shocked shes been cynical. Shes been cynical her entire political career. Doesnt shock me she went back to trump, but youre going to have to do a lot better than that, nikki. I mean, hold our enemies to account . Hold our enemies to account . You know, john heilemann, where do we begin . When we talk about how he lavishes praise on Vladimir Putin, trump, lavishes phrase on xi, sends, quote, love letters to kim jongun. He loves our enemies. He loves the tyrants that hate the United States of america to their very core. What is she talking about . Joe biden has hemmed in china in the pacific. Weve seen it. Weve talked about it. Its a part of the historical record. Hes leading the effort to push back Vladimir Putin, where donald trump says, basically, turn it over. Im going to end this war in day one. Called putin brilliant for what he did. And, yes, he said he has a love affair with kim jongun, the most ruthless tyrant who wants to nuke the west coast of the United States of america. So hold our enemies to account . That is completely factfree garbage. Then you go to supporting capitalism. Let me say again, the dow is over 40,000 points. Sunak had the economy in britain that we have here, hed be in much better shape on july 4th when the next election is called. We have, and conservative economists and columnists will say this, we have the strongest economy in the world. Theres not a close second. We are the envy of the world. Somehow, donald trump is going to do better than that, throwing up tariffs and protective borders, that even the Wall Street Journal calls, you know, a nightmare . Then, finally, the one that again, because i got to congress because i was worried about the National Debt she says joe biden has been a disaster on the National Debt, so shes going to support donald trump. Donald trump, in four years, raised americas National Debt more, just him, 45, than president s 1 through 44 did over 240 years. I mean, think about this. Think about just how wrong we were supposed to play backtoback clips. We were supposed to play those clips and then what she said in the campaign. I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, this is how people spread disinformation and lies and get away with it. You just let shit keep going. Sometimes you need to stop things and just explain how big her lies were there. She lied about the economy. She lied about debt. Just look. Just look at the numbers. She lied through her teeth about debt, and she lied about Donald Trump Holding our enemies accountable when he actually praises our enemies and sends love letters to them and talks about how brilliant they are because they can hold down millions and millions of their countrymen and women. Ill let you go from there. Just seriously, im not shocked at the endorsement. I am shocked that she would sink so low so fast and lie about the facts as badly as she did. Mmhmm. Morning, joe. How are ya . Im doing well. How are you doing . The rudy coffee is flowing where you are. If youre not shocked by that, john. Its very funny, ha, ha, ha. But if youre not shocked by her lying through her teeth that way. Like, she could have picked three, four other issues. She could have talked about afghanistan, talked about inflation. She could have talked about two or three like the cost of gasoline. She picks these three things where she actually picks donald trump on policy, his weakest points, then lied to the American People about it. So, yeah, yeah, im not laughing about that. Im not laughing either. I was just saying youre fired up. That was my only comment about the coffee. Im very happy and calm. Good. Look, i mean, to just say a couple quick things. One, of course, theres a history in president ial primaries of tough primaries, opponents saying tough things about each other. Sure. On both sides of the aisle. Theres also, a little further over, Garden Variety political cynicism, where people engage in politics and we say things that maybe would be hard to walk back if we really held people to their words. To joes point, this is a different category of thing here. Yeah. I mean, as you know, i was out there. I listened to her as she got tougher and tougher on trump, from iowa to New Hampshire, south carolina. I went to a bunch of the events, listened to her get closer and closer to the edge. She wasnt making critiques of trump on policy primarily. She was saying things like, ive been in the room with donald trump and Vladimir Putin, you know, and coming close to saying, you know, that hes not fit, competent to serve. You made the point earlier, mika, about the drivers license, he shouldnt get a drivers license. You know, she came right up to the edge of making the critiques that never trump, that Progressive Democrats and never trump republicans have made. Those are existential arguments. Those are not about any policy. Theyre about, this man is not fit to serve. This man is a threat to democracy. All of that, she was right in that zone. Then to retreat to policy is so craven and cynical. To joes point, i think, what we have learned about her, the most cynical, the most negative critical people about nikki haley have always said, she is ambition incarnate. You cannot believe a word out of her mouth. Shes say whatever, and change her mind from monday to wednesday, wednesday to thursday. People were saying, youre been misogynist about it. You dont hold men to those standards. Some of us bend over backwards in this winter period to say, maybe she has finally come to jesus here. Shes not going to go back. Shell stake her claim. The theory that trump loses this fall, she can say, i was right all along. I want to say here that, a, we should never believe a word she says about anything ever again. And, b, she must not be allowed, by Republican Voters who continue to go to the polls, shes still getting 20 of the vote. Right. This month, now theres still 20 of republicans in the primaries still voting for her. They must not let her in november those are people choosing against trump, which is interesting. Willie let me just say, what they cant let her do is, if trump loses in november, stand up and say, oh, i told you so. She forfeits the right to say i told you so, and i was always against donald trump. Shes now back on the trump train, and there has to be accountability for her politically going forward. Willie . Yeah, i mean, as john says, it is exactly the case she was making at the end of the primary season in places like New Hampshire. We saw it with our own eyes. She said, dont come crying to me when donald trump loses in november. Im telling you right now, i beat joe biden. He doesnt. That was the core of her argument at the end of the primary. Jen palmieri, the Biden Campaign weighed in yesterday after nikki haley said shed be voting for donald trump. Saying, nothing has changed for the millions of Republican Voters who continue to cast their ballots against donald trump in the primaries and care deeply about the future of our democracy. The biden team also shared a Video Montage on social media of haley primary voters who say theyd choose Biden Over Trump in november. This is a section of voters, jen, that the Biden Campaign has been courting, continues to court, those 20 that john was talking about in the primaries in places like pennsylvania and indiana, nebraska. And for his part, donald trump said during the campaign that he didnt want nikki haley voters to vote for him. Theyd be banished from the maga camp for the sin of supporting nikki haley in the primaries. Yeah, theres forever banned tshirts that nikki haley gave to her donors. This is going to be a big priority for the Biden Campaign. You know, theres the group, republicans against trump, the Sarah Longwell group. That universe of voters is bigger than its ever been. There was a universe of voters, republicans against trump, in 16 and 20, and its bigger in 24 in terms of who biden has open to him that he can reach out to to try to win over their support. Youre not getting 20 of them, but if you get a few percent of the 20 , that is going to you know, were talking a tight election, that can be the margin of victory. The thing that you know, when i heard her, when i heard the haley video, i thought it was from the campaign, from the primary. She was talking about someone who would stand with our allies, and, as joe said, talking about debt. She cant even be intellectually consistent in the moment that shes saying shes going to vote for trump. Right. And it just, you know, contributes so much to cynicism. Yes. It lifts up trumps message that, like, see, none of this matters. Its all just a game. You know, my new friend, sarah matthews, former trump staffer, griffin, both women who oppose trump now, its sad. You see them on trump and theyre saying, see, this is what politicians do. Its not what all politicians do. It is what nikki haley is doing, what people who prop up trump do. None of these people are serious, it says. Were going to look at her during the 2016 campaign, how she framed this is 2020, actually, how she sorry, alex. What are we showing . Oh, okay. Here is nikki haley in 2023. Times change and so has trump. Hes gotten more unstable and unhinged. If you mock the service of a combat veteran, you dont deserve a drivers license, let alone being president of the United States. Weve seen him get confused. He was confused about me having something to do with keeping security away from the capitol. He was confused when he said biden was going to run us into world war ii. He is not qualified to be the president of the United States. Its not normal to insult our Military Heros and veterans. He was thin skinned and easily distracted. Its not normal to spend 50 million in Campaign Contributions on personal court cases. There is no way that the American People are going to vote for a convicted criminal. It is not normal to threaten people who back your opponent. He went and was trying to buddy up with putin. Every time he was in the same room with him, he got weak in the knees. And it is not normal to call on russia to invade nato countries. Donald trump has done all of that and more in just the past month. Made so much sense. Jonathan lemire, what do you think is behind this decision . Is she running to be vp . Could that be already being cooked up . And whats the opportunity for the Biden Campaign . Well, just about everything she said there, we dont need to fact check. She was right. The timing of this is puzzling. No one made her endorse donald trump yesterday. No one made her say she would vote for him. There has been a little speculation and Media Reports she could be a vp pick or back to the trump cabinet, although trump himself publicly said last week she was not in the running to be his vice president. We cant believe anything he says. We cant believe what he says either. Its hard to say. But i should note, in that same speech yesterday, she delivered a fullthroated defense of ukraine, saying the United States needs to give ukraine whatever it takes. Give them every weapon they need in order to defeat Vladimir Putin in russia. Then the next breath said, im going to vote for donald trump, who we know will not do that. Is rooting for russia. Is siding up with putin time and time again. Charlie sykes, Rank Hypocrisy at the highest level, and deeply disappointing to many republicans who thought haley would hold strong. My question, how much do you think this matters . Yes, there are people coming out there in every primary still voting for her. Are they going to take cues from her and say, okay, now ill vote for trump, or are they like, i rea