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Tonight on all in. We are going to walked onto the capitol. Donald trump indited all over again. This time for the same crime using the same charges. Conspiring to defraud the United States, conspiring to disenfranchise voters, and conspiring and attempting to obstruct an official proceeding. Tonight, what special counsel jack smith presented to a new grand jury and what it means for the prosecution. With a fresh indictment for the republican nominee, the Harris Campaign run against trump. Why not debater . They already know everything. Georgia and beyond. What we are learning about attempts to subvert the election this time around when all in starts now. Good evening from miami, i am katie phang in for chris hayes. We are 70 days out from election day. Just 10 days away from mail in ballots things sent out in some states in the republican nominee for president was just indited all over again. For trying to steal the last election. Earlier today, special counsel jack smith unveiled a new Superseding Indictment of donald trump. A brandnew grand jury of americans impaneled to hear the case against the expresident for the first time and once again a grand jury came to the conclusion that criminal charges charges against trump from when the doj brought them one year ago. Clearly took efforts to comply with the brought new rules of president ial immunity the Supreme Court repented in its ruling last month. Namely that the chief excite can act with total impunity when it comes to socalled official acts. For instance, by noting that trump coconspirators were not government officials and they were acting in, quote, a private capacity when they attempted to subvert a free and fair election. This indictment highlights the fact that trumps infamous january 6 really at the ellipse in washington where he incited the violent mob to storm the capitol with, quote, a Campaign Speech at a privately funded , privately organized political rally rather than an official act of the president of the United States. In other words, trump may still up in president at the time, but he was not acting as the president when he attempted a coup. Now, this latest filing is obviously an attempt by smith to get ahead of any attempt by trump to have the case dismissed which actually happened in another case last month when trumpappointed judge Aileen Cannon dismissed smiths classified documents case against trump, a decision that smiths office is appealing. And, of course, none of this would be necessary in the first place if chief Justice John Roberts and his majority on the Supreme Court did not invent a brandnew standard for president ial immunity with no actual basis in constitutional law in the first place. In a clip of a new interview released today, Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson who dissented in that Immunity Case shared her concerns. And your dissent you wrote the court declared for the first time in history the most powerful official in the United States can, under circumstances to be determined, become a law unto himself. It sounds like a warning. Well, i mean, that was my view of what the court determined. You are concerned about broad immunity . I was concerned about a system that appeared to provide immunity for one individual under one set of circumstances when we have a criminal Justice System they had ordinarily treated everyone the same. To be clear, donald trump will not face trial in this d. C. Election interference case or any case before novembers election and, of course, he is running. Hes running to get the entire thing thrown out should he win. Barbara mcquade served as u. S. Attorney for the Eastern District of michigan and she is a professor of law at the university of michigan. Lynn kershner a former prosecutor for the district of columbia and they both join me now. I couldnt think of better folks for joining me tonight to get us started. I dont know about you, did you expect the Superseding Indictment for jack smith at this time . No i really didnt. What i thought he would do is peer down the indictment filing an amended indictment to comply with the courts order. The court said the scheme relating to the Justice Department was official contact and had to come out because a prosecutor can remove language from an indictment without going back to the grand jury, but if you change any of the allegations and put any new material in, you must go back to grand jury and have them return the indictment. Here, as you point out, they have reframed the case even though not much is different. The first words of this are not donald trump was a 45th president of the United States but it now says donald trump was a candidate for president in 2020. It frames it in all these instances is a candidate for office as opposed to a president engaging in official conduct. Throughout the indictment, you will see not only the removal of some of these allegations about the Justice Department but the addition of some language now to reframe it, another example, mike pence is described as a Vice President but also as the president of the senate who has the power to certify the election. Those kinds of things require superseding now that i see it, i can see why its a good move but i did not anticipate it. Glenn, its not just as barb notes, deletion of people and maybe some of the allegations, its the beefing up of the allegations to make sure it comports with what the u. S. Supreme court was insisting had to happen after they horrific Immunity Ruling we got last month. It seems like longer than that, july 1. Lets talk, no new arraignments for donald trump with the Superseding Indictment . He doesnt have to come back to court . The reporting is that jack smith said they are not going to demand the defendant, donald trump, presence and the judge can accept the waiver of a defendants presence had an arraignment. Donald trump has been arraigned a number of times and i guess he doesnt have to come to all of his arraignments. It makes sense you wont bucktown washington, d. C. Donald trump brought into Federal Court arraigned in a fiveminute hearing and on his merry way. I agree that you called the Supreme Court absolute Immunity Ruling horrific. Constitutional scholar said that Supreme Court has declared parts of the Constitution Unconstitutional Which is extraordinarily problematic and something that needs to be addressed. Like barb, wasnt expecting a superseding and indictment but heres the brilliance. Jack smith was proactive. He adjusted. He looked at the indictment and tried to pull out the offending language that might run afoul of the Supreme Courts absolute Immunity Ruling. Weirded down from 45 pages to 36 pages, but what i was waiting for and i thought it would come as a result of hearings before judge chutkan, was waiting to see if jack smith believed that in the wake of the absolute Immunity Ruling from the Supreme Court some of the charges would have to go away. Its his considered opinion as evidenced by the Superseding Indictment that all four charges remain viable, provable, and hes going to proceed to trial on all four charges and thats a good day for the prospect of accountability. Barb, in order to get to a jury of his peers, donald trump will have to survive a motion to dismiss denial by 10 eight. Judge chutkan. We had an original version of the indictment. It survived a motion to dismiss by donald trump that was filed in front of judge chutkan. Its the same judge. The same indictment went to the d. C. Circuit court of appeals had survived attack by trump there. It was only the Supreme Court that the damage, if any, to the indictment but what we are hearing maybe there wasnt damage. One of the questions ive been asked from others is, why no new codefendant in this case . Its only case in indictment donald trump had where he was facing the charges by his lonesome. In fact, if there were to be a Superseding Indictment, wouldve thought that would be the reason to do it. We got those unindicted Co Conspirators remaining in the indictment. One has been removed. Speculation is that person who is now out of the case was Jeffrey Clark who was a Justice Department official who came close to being the acting Attorney General. He is out because they conduct is official conduct. The others remain. Speculation being Rudy Giuliani and john eastman and some of the others. Those five unindicted Co Conspirators are still there. I speculated that the reason they were not named as defendants and were referred to as unindicted coconspirators was to streamline the case or perhaps it could go to trial before the election. Now we know thats not possible, its a little curious that they still have not included and named them as defendants. I dont know the reason. Perhaps some are cooperating or perhaps they want to keep their focus on donald trump. I dont know the reason. The prior reason to streamline the case and get it on the calendar quickly no longer seems to be whats driving it. Glenn, lets talk next steps in the process. A lot of us were waiting for an evidentiary hearing are hearing of sorts to be ordered by judge chutkan in advance of any type of motion. Can we anticipate donald trump filing a motion to dismiss this version, Superseding Indictment . Can we expect once the motion to dismiss is denied that the evidentiary could still take place . They could. I think Donald Trumps motions to dismiss will come early and often and they will be rejected by the judge one after another. I think we will see some kind of a hearing whether its evidentiary hearing where you have some of the Many Republican witnesses who testified before the grand jury about Donald Trumps crimes, whether they take the stand in a public courtroom for its time by proffer where the parties offer, this is what the evidence is and this is why we think it survives are trumps lawyers will say it does not survive in the Supreme Court Immunity Ruling. We are going to see those hearings conducted and we will probably learn more about some of the evidence that was presented to the grand jury that led to regular citizens sitting at the conscious of the community and grand jury indicted donald trump not only the first time but a brandnew grand jury doing it again a second time and issuing the Superseding Indictment. Barbara mcquade in glenn kirschner, thank you for getting us started. Coming up. The new tactics of the Democratic Campaign successfully goading trump into a debate. Thats next. T. Aaaah with flonase, allergies dont have to be scary. Spray Flonase Sensimist daily, for nondrowsy, longlasting relief. In a scentfree, fine mist. Psst psst flonase. All good. With both Party Conventions behind us, we are officially in the final stretch before november 5. In the midst of all of this, special counsel jack smith filed a new Superseding Indictment against donald trump in his attempts to steal the last election. Its unclear how this would impact the polls, with only 70 days before the election, things remain remarkably close. A5 38 polling averages Kamala Harris leading donald trump by 3. 5 points nationally while many of the key Battleground States are in a dead heat. Harris maintains a bit of a three point edge in michigan and wisconsin while arizona, georgia, nevada, North Carolina, and pennsylvania are effectively tied. Harris and walz will head to georgia tomorrow to kick off a two tape us to work culminating in a rally in savannah on thursday while trump will hold a Wisconsin Rally On Thursday and pennsylvania a rally there on friday. In the meantime, his Vice President ial nominee j. D. Vance is scheduled to hold events of his own in the same states tomorrow. At least for now, it really does feel like the Harris Walz Campaign has momentum on its side because in large part democrats are taking the offensive in a way they have not in recent campaign cycles. Harris and walz are effectively trolling trump, vance, and other maga republicans like this Video Calling at the former president were trying to back out of next months schedule debate. Why not debater . Because they already know everything. Right now, say why should i do a debate . Im leading in the polls and Everybody Knows her and knows me. When i looked at the hostility of that for his part, donald trump now says that that the be scheduled for september 10 is back on. Its impossible to deny that trump has been off his game. As the Washington Post recently reported, drumbeats have struggled to keep their candidate focused and energized with trump, quote, often appearing reluctant to hold events or to stay on message. That said, he managed to find the time to cut this at to share with his followers on his social media platform. Hello, everyone. This is your favorite President Donald Trump with some very exciting news. By popular demand im doing a new series of trump Digital Trading cards. You know what they are. Weve had a lot of fun with them. Its called the America First collection. 50 all new stunning Digital Trading cards. Its really something. These cards show me dancing and holding bit coins. Each trading card has an we thought tech piece of my suit that i work for the president ial debate of people are calling it the knock out suit. I dont know about that but thats what they are calling it. Its easy to buy. You need an Email Address or credit card or crypto. They call me the crypto president. I dont know if thats true but a lot of people are saying that. If nothing else, that is a clear indication of where Donald Trumps priorities are at a time monies rapidly losing ground with voters, he still found the time to try to graft a few more dollars from his supporters. A veteran democratic strategist and Stuart Stevens worked as a political strategist on republican campaigns and Senior Adviser for the Blinken Project and they both join me now. Gentlemen, i had to take a moment after that last one before i started with you. Id like to start with you. Theres this incredible messaging thats coming from the Harris Walz Campaign and one issue thats always top of mind to voters is the economy. Take a listen to a little do at that came out from harris walz about an opportunity economy. Every day across our nation, families talk about their plans for the future. They talk about how they will achieve it financially and prices are too high. When im elected president i will make it a top priority to bring down costs. We should be doing everything we can to make it more affordable to buy a home. Under my plan, more than 100 million americans will get a tax cut. Its incredibly refreshing. There is policy. Never knew it existed if you listen to the republican camp. There is policy coming out from the democratic party. There is policy but theres also values underlying the. Who shes going to fight for and the i. D. Of that opportunity economy. Weve been throwing around ÷hat word a lot but she leans into the optimism and the upbeat of hit. Frankly, i think much of this is in the vein of what you see from leaders on the left and right. She is giving optimism and hope the way reagan did Once Upon A Time In America when he declared on his reelection and americans are leaning into that. Part of the energy you find building around this campaign is, my goodness, americans want something to cheer for. They want to be hopeful and optimistic again and shes giving that to rally around. We may feel the good, joy vibe but Kamala Harris doesnt suffer fools. We saw in the lead up to the interview, that was a great ad. The clucking of the Chicken Everything the lack of courage from donald trump. Its like a play taken out of the Blinken Project. If you havent spent time in a chicken suit, you havent worked in politics. Im glad to see them picking this up. You know, i think this economy, the Harris Campaign, they have to not lose on the economy. They are going to win on all these issues that go to the core of what this is about. Democracy and decency issues. This, i think is a race but one thing. Donald trump and its important to keep that focus. There is this need to normalize his race as if it was romney, obama in 2012. It is not. Its an extraordinary raised in this debate youll have a prosecutor who will stand on the stage with a criminal. This has never happened before and its important to keep the focus on that. Cornell, does it make sense . Assuming that trump shows up for the debate on september 10, that at that debate, the juxtaposition of Kamala Harris, former prosecutor, Attorney General, United States senator and donald trump failed business entrepreneur. 34 felony convictions. Does that make sense to stay on focus like stuart said because i feel like harris walz, that campaign can walk and chew gum at the same time. I think what you are seeing as they are running a Real Campaign. As opposed to trying to sell trading cards. They are doing Campaign Events and putting up policy statements. What i think is remarkable is how unserious trump is about the campaign and its from the reporting, listen to the reporting you talk at the top of this is this is not how a candidate who wants to be president behaves. You had to be hungry for it. You had to be fighting for it every day and not peddling trading cards. When you look at the Harris Campaign is doing, look, its remarkable how she has changed when we talk about biden being behind or tied. In Battleground States, she is putting the blue wall in position. I think theyre getting to the point where you look at the blue wall, pennsylvania and in michigan and wisconsin, they are in a position where they can go on the offense. People talked about george off the table in North Carolina a pipe dream. They are putting organizations and people and money in georgia and North Carolina and arizona and trying to expand the playing field. In the way a Real Campaign and they are going on the offense in a way havent seen democrats doing well over a decade. I like the idea from cornell that this is how campaigns traditional used to be. Those we remember. Those that you ran frankly as well on behalf of the gop. At the same time, i agree to some extent that we cannot ignore the fact its an threat to have donald trump back in the oval office. It is possible to do these at one time. Are we seeing that happening . Some people get tired when the focus is exclusively on the donald trump angle. Look, all of us are able to hold different the concurrent and overhead at the same time. You were worried about the economy. Your word about gas prices. But, do you believe that a criminal should be in the oval office . For those of us who work for bush, i can tell you the reason george bush got elected in 2000 was restoring honor and dignity to the white house. How is it that now, the entire Republican Party for the most part is backing this terrible human being, sexual predator, fell on . Yes, i think you can do both. Again, the Harris Campaign doesnt lose on the economy they will win on the other issues because they have an overwhelming advantage. Cornell belcher and Stuart Stevens, its good to see both of you. Coming up, the rambling republican ticket on tour while trumps own voters think he is getting worse. Thats next. Donald trump has never had a reputation for honesty for command of Policy Issues or for coherence or for Reading Cleaning from a teleprompter. In the past months in interviews and interviews since Kamala Harris became his election opponent, trump is gotten worse. Hard to imagine that was possible but thats the case. You heard him slur and ramble through Friendly Online chat with twitter owner elon musk. Kamala harris wouldnt have this conversation. Shes not a smart person by the way. She can have this conversation and biden, we dont even have to talk about it. He couldnt have this conversation. He wouldve given up on the first half of a question. He called into fox news after harris Acceptance Speech where he struggled with the Networks Time constraints and banging the buttons on his own phone. 70 of our people are living in poverty. Shes going to give a tax increase of 4 to 5 times with people and companies are paying right now. In the end the democrats did the same thing to joe biden. They through joe biden out of the party. Mr. President, thank you so much. For the time. We appreciate the feedback. Thank you so much for joining us from chicago. Its been a great week. Despite constant appeals from as its to avoid personal attacks and stick to the script and his policy speeches, well, you know. We are going to do a free pole. Hears two questions. Should i get personal her neck a personal . Should i get personal . Should i not get personal . I dont know. My advisers are fired. I say that im better looking than her. I think im much better. Much better. Im a better looking person than harris. She mentioned thank you about 50 times. Did you see the beginning . Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you thank you. Thank you. I said what is wrong with her . This woman is nuts. People say be nice. Have you heard her laugh . That is the lap of a crazy person. They will say he was rambling. I dont ramble. Im a really smart guy. I dont ramble. I always look for good words. Highly sophisticated. I am highly educated and i like sophisticated words. Some of that came from a heavily publicized Campaign Rally in pennsylvania last week. Trump was supposed to fire volunteers in a critical battleground state. Many supporters left during his rambling 100 minute speech. One of the attendees t■lling reporters, she was done with trump. , quote, ive been thinking of voting for him again because bidens has been bad for the economy and kamala will be better but after listening to that . Im actually afraid of trump being president again. I dont know what he was talking about half the time. Perhaps he was always like that, but he seems worse. More unstable. Monday in an appearance at Arlington National cemetery, trump inexplicably and disrespectfully gave Photographers A thumbsup over the grave of fallen marines. On social media, trump reacted to harris speech by dropping nearly 60 angry posts in just a few hours. Just yesterday, trump deleted another post he apparently off too fast. Read these are great patriots who work their heart out and have a strong and powerful spelled incorrectly, border, only to be harassed by borders are Kamala Harris who wants the and that was it. Hes always been diluted and meanspirited, dishonest, and impulsive. Thats just to trump is. As he ages and struggles to find his footing in a transformed race, trump is getting even, shall i say even trump be your. Hes never had any clothes in it showing. Is it enough to sing kim . We will ask a couple of campaign experts, next. Whats the matter whats the matter with donald trump . A month ago, he was planning what he surmised was his seemingly inevitable return to the white house, leading joe biden and pretty much every key pole. Ever since Kamala Harris took bidens place at the top of the democratic ticket, trump is in sharper decline. Shortcircuiting in interviews and Campaign Speeches and On Social Media as his poll numbers fall in this Battleground States that will decide this election. Doug jones is a former democratic senator of alabama. She is the ceo and cofounder of the seneca project, super pac to court moderate women voters for Kamala Harris and they both join me now. Its always good to see you. I would love to start with you and get your thoughts. It is a really close race and the one thing that can do you wrong is complacency. You cant keep your foot off the gas pedal of your harris walz. When i see trends in polls, take note of them and it seems to me that the Harris Walz Campaign is not just momentum but an actual movement. I think thats exactly right. I think you hit the nail on the head. You can take your foot off the gas. I saw folks at the Convention Last week, if i were running this campaign, one of the things i would do is not only plan on everything imaginable, doorknocking, get out the vote, you name it, to get people motivated. I would put into every Campaign Office on every campaign bus and every car maybe bumper stickers, remember 2016 so Many Democrats started getting the reservations planned for the inauguration and let the foot of the gas and look what happened. We got donald trump. We can do that this time. Donald trump is helping us. You saw it in your video clips. He is helping us along the way. Terra, to that point, you have to give a Gold Star Times 10 to Kamala Harris as team. Generating incredible social media but what i like, and its something you like too, Meeting Fire With fire. Its about time. Its time the democrats step up and not bring marshmallows to a knife fight and thats whats happening. Donald trump is giving the ammunition to the Harris Walz Campaign to use and deploy because trumps decline, people are whispering about but its on full display. Yeah. All the people that were pushing Kamala Harris to do a big interview with a median how come she hasnt, because in politics come up your opponent is imploding, you stand back and let them implode. You dont get in the middle of the shrapnel. Donald trump has been in decline for some time. The problem is because of bidens age concerns it wasnt as pronounced. This is been going on for quite some time. Its more pronounced now because Kamala Harris is decades younger. She is more articulate and smarter and shes a prosecutor who is about to prosecute the case against donald trump on the debate stage which is why hes scared to debate her. All the talk about donald trump being in decline, its interesting, he has always said america is in decline. The American People are tired of that. I heard cornell say that people want hope. They want joy. Ronald reagan and mourning in america, that inspired people. I was at the dnc last week and that inspired people. Joyful warriors. Decency against degenerates thats what Kamala Harris and tim walz are presenting and trump saying america is in decline as projection. He is in decline. America is doing pretty good. Interest rates are pretty are little high but the record oil production, best military in the world. What are we doing . This country is not in decline and thats not what inspires people, and ive got to tell you that women are sick and tired of being insulted. Donald trump and j. D. Vance cant seem to stop insulting women. It doesnt matter what side of the aisle you are on, every woman has to deal with the undermining, underestimation of us. They see that in this campaign. The misogyny of maga will galvanize women in ways they are underestimating. Women see and hear this and they are tired of it. Doug, do you expect to see that Maga Misogyny On Full Display on september 10 when donald trump goes to toto with Kamala Harris . I think it will be toward the end. I dont think he can help himself. He will be somewhat disciplined as he always does but when he gets off script, he will be donald trump gets more like himself every day. He gets more like himself every minute, and he will do that. In the debate. Thats why Kamala Harris wanted hot mikes. I dont blame her. I would let him ramble. We will see that and i think tara had a good point about, people are seeing the decline in donald trump because he used it as such a weapon against joe biden, now those tables are turned. He raised the stakes. He raised the issue in this coherency and the whole age issue and now its turned around on him. Terra, i have to ask. Donald trump has emotional support billboards that have been set up by the gop to make him feel better. To soothe his booboos. The fact that money and time is being spent to do that, to make the grant kolton leader feel better has got to be another sign that they are trying to prop his mental and emotional stability trying to get through his last 70 days. I mean, the comparison is absurd. Its clear that someone like donald trump who is emotionally stunted, he is a malignant narcissist, that he needs to be coddled, this is not some unfit to be president of the United States. He is not, and we will see that binary choice on display side by side during those debates. I cannot wait for it. Thats why he does not want to do it. He doesnt have a choice. I guess he does. The clucking will be even louder if he doesnt show up. Its always good to see you both. Still i had. The efforts already underway in several states to swing the election for donald trump whether voters like it or not. This is important and its coming up, next. Call 833leaffilter today for your free gutter inspection. Ive had terrible Flooding Problems on my porch. Now i understand why. Right now leaffilter is offering a free inspection, on your schedule. Leaffilter is a permanent gutter solution, so you never have to worry about costly damage from clogged gutters again. Call us today and schedule your free inspection. To schedule your free inspection, call 833. Leaf. Filter today or visit leaffilter. Com. On monday, democrats on monday, democrats sued the Georgia State Election Board over new rules that could delay certification of those in the state this november. The rules which narrowly pass the fivemember board just weeks ago with give Election Officials, quote, authority to conduct reasonable inquiry into elections before certification and require the county Election Officials be given all reelection related documents before certification. Democrats worn in the suit that the measure would invite chaos to the electoral certification process. Georgia is one of at least a dozen states where republican State Election boards enacted new rules or lawsuits have been filed by the Republican National committee and other rightwing groups aimed at Election Administration in the event of a Kamala Harris victory. Lawsuits range from efforts to purge voter rolls, challenges to is Voter Registration and expanded fallout dropbox locations and challenging Voting Machines and the systems themselves. Danae nelson is a president to the Naacp Legal Defense Fund a rake is Election Law Expert and founder of Election Law Blog it teaches at Ucla Law School where he serves as the director of the safeguarding democracy project. They both join me now. Its such an important car topic. I guess this is what it takes. You have to file a lawsuit for declaratory relief in order to preempt what is basically Election Interference to happen, especially in key Battleground States. Thats right. So many people were like expecting Election Interference but we see that as rampant already. In egregious ways. We have seen Voter Suppression laws that aim to constrict the right to vote, make it harder to register, harder to cast a ballot, but now were seeing efforts to make sure even if you register, cast a ballot, it wont necessarily be counted. Thats why so many are pushing back. Its important to recognize this is not a partisan issue. This is a democracy issue. Its a simple matter of ensuring that the Election Results are counted in a timely way and without any Election Sabotage or interference. Rick, you wrote to great piece in politico in january of this year about how you had some optimism going into the november election this year about a fair vote. Consider the following. Three maga members in georgia the past these two rules. You have these rules coming from the republican state chair of georgia, sending the proposed language for these rules. Do you still have that optimism going into november . I do have the optimism not because i think these officials will do the right thing but because i think theyre more safeguards in place. People are focused on these issues. People recognize that its not necessarily going to be smooth and it does not end on election night. We have to ensure that every eligible voters vote will count. We will properly understand what the roads were and that will be translated into congress determining who one coat the Electoral College vote in the winter being able to take power. These are things we used to take for granted but after 2020 we have to be vigilant. There are safeguards. Congress pass some laws and the Supreme Court decided a case that helps. There are things that have been done that put us in better shape, and were not in the middle of a pandemic so its not a moving target. There are bad actors but we are better prepared than we were in 2020. Lets call out the bad actors. Its not just donald trump. The Supreme Court, third president ial election. The Voting Rights act was struck down. This is not something that happened overnight. Its a train that has been barreling down against democracy over years and its been buttressed by really bad decisions that come from the highest court in the land. Thats right. When the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights act in 2013 in a case out of alabama, we saw a deluge of Voter Suppression laws. Since 2020 alone, there have been 100 laws passed that make voting more difficult. Over 28 states have passed laws that make voting more difficult and georgia is the latest one. Again, its Election Interference. So many people are aware of this and are pushing back. A letter was sent monday to the governor, to the secretary of state, to the chair of georgias Election Board demanding that the Attorney General of georgia issue an opinion explaining the unlawfulness of these new rules. We were joined by nearly a dozen groups, most local from georgia, people are aware of this attempt. We are watching it. We are ready to pounce because we are not going to see this election stolen. Certainly not in a state where there is that many black voters who have always been targeted by Voter Suppression laws. This is the latest one and we will push back. I think theres conflation with going on with Election Certification. I think people look at them Vice President mike pence, january 6 and the certification of Election Results, but the reality is in states across our great country, Election Certification is ministerial. Its something that needs to happen on and administrative level. There is no independent substance and verification by State Election Board Members as to the Election Results. Its an attempt to subvert the states own law in georgia which requires that elections be certified. If this happens you will see state forts in Federal Court step in. Not only is it interfering that the Legislature Put in place and something donald trump talked a lot about, but also the voters right to vote. If there is such a delay that you couldnt send it to congress, all of georgias voters would be disenfranchised and i dont think the courts will stand for that. Its a pretty transparent page in the gop playbook and im glad to see you here. You were great explaining it all. That that is all in on this tuesday night. I am katie phang in for chris hayes. Usually its our weekends this is how our weeken i enjoyed the show, my friend. Nice to see you. Have a good