Margins matter. That idea is at the core of Kamala Harris strategy, saving precious time and money fighting for rural voters. Then the goal, to bring it inline with the Supreme Courts recent Immunity Decision and keep the heart of his case alive. Will it be enough . Israel in the opening phases of a military attack, not in gaza but in the palestinianoccupied portions of the west bank. We begin with Kamala Harris and walz rewriting the campaign to rural georgia, and its a place democrats seldom go. Todays Campaign Bus Tour Through Southern Georgia is a big deal, monumental, in areas anxious for attention. Theres a plan that the campaign believes can even hurt trumps margin in those rural areas, and its a bold move. Georgia ended up being the closest state in the country that year when clinton won. In the words of one of harris top aides, quote, these are the types of places you might not be able to go from losing 90 10 to winning them, but you can stave off a bigger defeat. Its really important. I want to bring in nbcs mike memoli in savannah, georgia, where the Vice President and that governor walz will be later today. And we have been talking to voters there. A reporter for The Atlantic Journal Constitution and msnbc contributor, and elise jordan was an aide to george bushs white house and also an nbc political analyst. Thank you all. Your article reminded me for the bubbas for bill tour. Tell us more about why so many people you talked to think this is such a big deal. I love how you say its a high risk strategy. Thats what this is. Typically Democratic Candidates for president dont really come to georgia, really, until 2020. They usually bypassed atlanta and georgia, and they wouldnt campaign in georgia. Thats obviously changed as the states demographics changed. What we see when they do come, they come to metro atlanta. This is a Warnock Strategy in 2022 when he also focused on the outer lying areas away from metro atlanta. Metro is still the key and its more than half of the states population, and theres plenty of votes to be had even in Deep Red Georgia counties. If you can cut those margins, you can accumulate enough to put a candidate over the top. I understand we just recently got more specifics about where the candidates are planning to go. Tell us about this strategy and the message they think they can bring to these voters in particular . Well, chris, the message is momentum at the moment. You see in the strategy of where they are deploying the candidates coming out of the convention, one they thought was very successful in chicago. They are not necessarily focused on the blue wall states where the Biden Campaign put most shifts, and they are in the sunbelt strategy where they show they are on the offense in states where republicans have been successful in in the past election cycles. They are going not just to atlanta, and as you lay out thats typically where a democratic candidate would focus their energy, just drive up the numbers in the state and keep the Turnout Numbers where you need them, but to turn up the margins, and take a margin of 55 of the republican and bring it down to 54, 53. Georgia was decided by just under 12,000 votes, and every vote you can pick up, and even if they are in blue counties in southeast georgia, they will go to more rural areas and talk to rural voters and black voters, and they will try and make that 12,000 vote margin more comfortable going forward. You are talking to some of the voters and i wonder if you are finding they are open to this message . Yeah, absolutely, chris. Some of the voters i talked to were excited about the fact that this part of the state is in the national spotlight. Once again, others had no idea Kamala Harris was coming here but they were not surprised at all. Lets take a listen to some sound. So essentially what those voters were telling me, we are missing the sound right now, and its just that they were not feeling as enthusiastic when biden was the candidate and now that harris is at the top of the ticket they are feeling theres momentum here in georgia and she could, in fact, win, and on the other side of the aisle, they said dont count donald trump out now, and they thought 2020 was a flock, and theres a veteran population interested in Immigration Issues and they think that will be a big problem for Kamala Harris in this part of the state. We have the sound, so i will play it and if you have thoughts after we are able to do that, jump in. How do you feel about Kamala Harris coming to town . Exuberant. Just elated that this community is going to have a firsthand contact with this incredible person, and im going to cry. The emotion there. One of the ladies told me, as mike pointed out, this county one of the things they said, its the specific demographic they want to focus on while republicans are focusing on the University Students and they are coming back to campus this fall. They will be writing post cards and making sure the College Students are registered to vote and the ones who are not voting absentee have an opportunity to vote for harris as well, chris. From a campaign perspective, you understand this part of the country and we talk often about the fact that you are from mississippi, not so far away from georgia. I think 1992 is interesting for a couple reasons, and one is bill clinton talked about National Security to voters in southern georgia. Also, it was breathtakingly close, fewer than 14,000 votes is what he won by. How does a Campaign Best spend its time and money in an area like that . I have long said democrats should reengage in rural america, and their neglect of rural america, especially in the south, that could make a real difference. And in the counties, only 1 to 2 more participation by Republican Voters could give them a more comfortable margin for Donald Trumps victory, and anything democrats can do to engage with rural voters, including black voters, and many often forget there are black voters too that could be engaged with in these areas, and getting them enthusiastic, and it helps so much down the ballot, too. If they can challenge the enthusiasm, and we saw that in her reporting, its there and how do they put that in action. We talk about apples versus apples, and as you rightfully point out in your recent writing, probably this campaign is taking more of the playbook from raphael warnock. Talk about that. Yeah, its no surprise, too, because who is one of Vice President harris aides, he ran warnocks campaign, and part of that was driving up the score in metro. You cant win in georgia as a democrat, and also cutting into the republican margins in other parts of the state, thats how he narrowly defeated republican, herschel walker, whenever other republican won, and he won with the help of the swing voters, and frankly Vice President harris will need that contention of the voters help again. What will you be watching for, greg, when they make their trip and they go, and i know you will be talking to folks. What will give you an early indication they are making progress . Well, activist and Party Leaders in this part of the state say they want to hear about georgias number one industry, which is agriculture. There has not been as much of that. Metro atlanta, its not top of mind for some people but its the number one industry in the state, and they want to hear from harris and walz on how they would propel the industry going forward, and they like the attention because its a neglected part of the state, and even statewide contenders hardly came here and now its front and center. You mentioned momentum, and that allows you to do some of the things the Biden Campaign would not have been able to do, and the Harris Campaign did something similar when they went to beaver county, and trump won that almost by 20 points. When you are talking about these places not used to getting president ial candidates, do you get some points for just showing up . Absolutely. This is, in general, with the american political system, it kills me that so few states actually get little attention, and you think going to rural voters where they are and meeting and hearing their concerns, and the Vice President pick, tim walz, is a great candidate to really engage. Hes somebody who rural voters can relate to. He reminds me of a dad from home that can fix anything and is not scared to wear his overalls and hang out and watch football. Its a more relatable look, and it helps her with a california prosecutor background to have somebody like walz who is from a more smalltown background. Mike memoli, all of you thank you very much. Coming up, the deadline now looming for both sides. Well explain in just 90 seconds. Ust 90 seconds. thanks vacations are better with the credit gods are on your side. Im coming up rewards once available to the few are now accessible to the many. Earn points for travel with credit one bank, and live large. Heres to Getting Better with age. Heres to beating these two every thursday. Help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need, and the flavor you love. So, heres to now. Now available boost max donald trump and jack smiths legal teams are both up against a fastapproaching deadline this friday to propose what is next after the special counsel filed a new indictment in the Election Aversion case. They hope to revive their case to the Supreme Court rule that president s have immunity from official conduct. I want to bring in former u. S. Attorney and msnbc legal analyst, Chuck Rosenberg, also with us, former fbi general counsel and cohost of the msnbc podcast prosecuting donald trump, andrew weissmann. What is jack smith hoping to do here . As you said, collision, to get the case back on track. Following the Supreme Courts decision that a president any president is immune for official acts, official conduct, the difficulty now is figuring out what is official and what is unofficial, what is in and what is out. With the Superseding Indictment jack smith and his Team Proposed to the judge that everything that remains now, everything in the new indictment is unofficial conduct and prosecutable. Donald trumps team will contest that and the judge has a difficult task. She still has to make a determination adhering to the Supreme Courts decision on what is prosecutable, an official act, and nonprosecutable. How do you think jack smiths team did in determining what is in and what is out . I think he really helped himself. First, he deleted the information that the Supreme Court required to be taken out, and that is that the court had said the president s interactions within the Department Of Justice are core president ial functions under the constitution and he is absolutely immune. Its not even a rebuttable presumption. And then for other official acts as chuck just said, theres a strong presumption of immunity but it can be rebutted. Thats why you see here both a deletion of information that really cannot be charged, but also you have the addition in the indictment of language that says over and over again that the president was acting as a candidate for office, not as a president. When you are acting as a candidate, if it can be shown that thats the case, then jack smith will argue that that is something you are not immune for. So far it should be clear, by the way, there are at least four justices that agree with that, and even Amy Coney Barrett in a concurrent said she agreed if it was Somebody Acting as a candidate, that would not be something subject to immunity. Finally, the thing that jack smith did here is he made it harder for donald trump to argue that the initial grand jury indictment was tainted by information that it should not have received because it was information that the president was immune, and they presented the new indictment to a completely new grand jury, so they really took away one of the arguments that donald trump could make at the District Court level and up to the Supreme Court. I dont think its a super surprise, a good defense team would have prepped for this, but how likely do you think it is they could get a dismissal in this case . I think it becomes much more difficult, as andrew explained, for trump to get a dismissal. This new Superseding Indictment is lighter, meaning pared down, and the objectionable parts were removed and mr. Trumps team will object in large part to some of it. And he has an easier path forward. The prosecutors have taken a good indictment and now because of the Supreme Court decision made it better and easier for the judge to essentially approve of what remains and try and get the case back on track and move forward. Chris, you are quite right. The trump team must have anticipated this, and i think it was a smart move by jack smith and his team to pare it down and make it simpler. Much to contest remains. I think the Supreme Court decision is not all that easy for judge chutkan, the trial judge, to apply. I think much remains, no doubt, chris. We dont often hear from judges in interviews, and we did from Ketanji Brown jackson. I want to play part of it. You are concerned about broad immunity . I was concerned about a system that appeared to provide immunity for one individual under one set of circumstances. When we have a criminal Justice System that had ordinarily treated everybody the same. Is what shes talking about what were talking about right now, andrew . Absolutely. She was very disciplined in that interview in the way she spoke. Her descent was quite precipitous in raising the alarm. Just to remind reviewers, what the majority said because to state it is to refute it. They said the allegations in the indictment that a president asked the Department Of Justice to conjury up a Sham Investigation to undermine the president ial election, that that is a core president ial function for which a president cannot be charged criminally, even when those conversations are about a Sham Investigation. That was what was charged in the initial indictment that is no longer in the Superseding Indictment as a result of the majority opinion. So you know, i personally agree with Ketanji Brown jackson that the decision portends such potential danger in terms of the power it gives the presidency. Thats the reason you heard President Biden on the day this decision came down, the sitting president said this is wrong, i do not the presidency should not be given this kind of unilateral power in a democracy. Chuck, we only have a minute left but i have to ask you about what is next. U. S. District judge, tanya chutkan, set a hearing next week to hear this course. What will happen . The trump team will argue more things should be off limits. The prosecutor will argue the new Superseding Indictment correctly frames what is permissible and therefore should remain triable and its up to the judge to decide. Chris, i dont think it will be simple or easy, but the prosecutors have laid out a more clear path. I think kudos to them for doing it. It was a smart move. Judge chutkan still has to resolve a number of questions and she will do that at hearings that will, no doubt, well be following in the weeks and months to come. It also means that we are going to be calling on you next week, both of you, so thank you for this, Chuck Rosenberg and andrew weissmann. Always appreciate it. Up next, the largest israeli raids in the west bank in decades. What they are trying to accomplish. You are watching Chris Jansing reports on msnbc. Of dell ai and. To see hundreds of miles of tracks. [vroom] [train horn] [buzz] clearing the way, [whoosh] so you arrive exactly where you belong. With powerful, easytouse tools, power e trade makes complex trading easier. React to fastmoving markets with dynamic charting and a Futures Ladder that lets you place, flatten, or reverse orders so you wont miss an opportunity. E trade from Morgan Stanley your Shipping Manager left to find themself. leaving you lost. You need to hire. I need indeed. Indeed you do. 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