The suspect, a 14yearold boy, is currently in police custody, and because this is a uniquely american problem, it quickly became part of the american presidential campaign. At a rally in new hampshire today, kamala harris broke from her prepared remarks to address what happened in georgia this morning. It's just outrageous that every day in our country and the united states of america, that parents have to send their children to school, worried about whether or not their child will come home alive. I'm going off script right now. Our kids are sitting in a classroom where they should be fulfilling their godgiven potential and some part of their big, beautiful brain is concerned about a shooter busting through the door of the classroom! it does not have to be this way! it does not have to be this way. Compare that to what happened earlier this year, when donald trump was forced to respond to a high school shooting in perry, iowa, while he was campaigning in the state. It's a very terrible thing that happened. And it's just terrible. You hate to see that happening. It's just horrible. So surprising to see it here. But will have to get over, we have to move forward. We will have to get over it. Today, on his social media site, trump posted his condolences for the victims of the georgia school shooting, calling the assailant a sick and deranged monster, but making absolutely no mention of america's epidemic of gun violence that keeps claiming more children's lives over and over and over again. The contrast between the two candidates in this race is quite clear. The reason vice president harris was in new hampshire today was to unveil a new plank in her economic agenda. Tax credits for small businesses paid for in part by new tax increases on the wealthiest americans. Harris used that opportunity to once again draw contrast with her opponent. He plans to give billionaires massive tax cuts and to cut corporate taxes by over $1 trillion, even as they pull in record profits. His plans will add more than $5 trillion to the national debt and that is on top of the $2 trillion tax cut he gave them when he was president and when he exploded the deficit. We know how to count! we know how to count! ms. Harris made her case governor tim walz was campaigning in pennsylvania, which has quickly become the must win state of this election. At a campaign stop in lancaster, walz popped into a local grocery store where he and his daughter met with business owners and bought a couple of seasonal treats. Two weeks ago, governor walz's opponent, j. D. Vance went viral for his extra cringing and supremely awkward stop at a local donut stop in georgia where he appeared psychologically incapable of deciding which donuts he wanted. During his campaign stop today, governor walz made note of all that. We are big fan of pumpkin. We are pumpkin people. All right. I think that's what we are going to do. I think we get that one and that one may be. All right. Peaches, too. That's what i said. I can balance it out to have a new additional should a nutritional diet. I said look at me, i have no problem picking up donuts. Or will be pies, for that matter. While the trumpvance ticket spent the day preaching to the choir here tonight, j. D. Vance spoke at an event for the conservative group turning point usa, which supports donald trump. Meanwhile, he sitting for a town hall this evening on his preferred network, fox news and even though trump speaks almost exclusively to friendly outlets, he has broadened his horizons this election cycle. The new york times reports this weekend, his new strategy to court what is being called the manno verse manoverse. The aim here is to target young men and to exploit and deepen the existing gender divide between trump supporters and harris supporters. These streamers in the manoverse, all of whom are young, white men, have hosted trump on their online channels for what might technically be called interviews, but really, defy any sort of journalistic characterization. I would just do cocaine. That was really, yeah. So not just, yeah. That is down and dirty, right? yeah, i mean yeah. Is cocaine a stronger oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you are way up with cocaine more than anything else you can think of. It will turn you into a howell, holy. You will be you will be your own streetlamp. With hardhitting conversations like that, who really needs journalism? trump will, of course, need to take questions from actual reports when he in vice president harris faceoff for the first time in a televised debate. In just a few hours ago, they released the rules for that debate. There will be no live audience. Candidates will get two minutes for each answer, as well as two minutes for rebuttals, and one minute for additional follow ups. Crucially, when one candidate is speaking, the other candidates microphone will be muted. Joining me now is jonathan martin, politico senior colonist. Jay marked, thank you jay marked this is not muted. I know they were elective to reluctant to when he was heard, presumably talking over her or talking during her answers. He will not be, at least his microphone will not be live. You think that matters from a sort of political standpoint? it's hard to judge now, alex, because we don't know what we are missing. It's kind of like, trying to figure out well, if trump had been on a hot microphone and had said something outlandish or offensive, well now we are not going to know because obviously, is not to have them a hot microphone. Which is precisely why the here's campaign was determined to keep the microphones hot because of course the strategy revolves around donald trump saying outlandish things. And holding that up to the american voter. It's interesting, the contrast. The biden votes in june didn't wynt the microphone to be hot and they didn't want to live audience, you recall, because they didn't want the trump show to overwhelm the debate. And they didn't want biden to take the bait, frankly, and get into the backandforth that they eventually still did famously over their golf games. Who can forget that. They harris folks, it's a different strategy. I think they don't think that the harris will take the bait and they did think that trump would blurt summing out offensive. And she hasn't taken the bait, even from even when his questioning his his response has been let's move on. I mean, i do think your point about the outlandish news of the trump brand being either a liability or an asset, here we see one were in a debate context, it's a liability. These interviews he's doing in the socalled manoverse where he's talking to young men about coke and how high you get when you do cocaine. That is like what he wants to be part of his brand message. It doesn't seem like he's been lured into an uninspected interview with a crazy youtuber. I just wonder, first of all, it's nonexisting before this election cycle. Am i correct in believing that? at least, i have not been familiar with, i think podcasts obviously were around the previous cycle. I don't know if you had this sort of external audience that these podcast have. What it tells us about trump is that it's 145th example of how trump breaks the mold of most candidates for president, alex. Typically, candidates for president want to do two things. They want to persuade voters and they want to mobilize voters. Persuasion and mobilization. Trump has never been interested in persuasion. It's all mobilization strategy. He's not trying to convince someone is wavering or perspective will skeptical, he is looking for more adherents who may not vote at all. And that manoverse is one example of that peer look when he rolled out after the democratic convention. It's not a centrist, republican who has come around to the maga cause, the strategy is to deepen and find folks deeper instead of broadening. He wants to find a person is not going to vote at all or was going to vote for rfk but could vote for him. He's not looking for a voter who was voting for harris or biden previously. I think there's a novelty in that strategy but also seems kind of risky. The new york times, reporting, they say i think it's like a third of the young men in this, adherents of the manoverse, they say they plan to vote for trump, did not vote in 2020. These are guys who were animated by sports talk and sneaker talk and not political top talk. And trump has opened up a portal in the universe to be part of their manoverse. It's a big assumption that they are actually going to get out there and vote. That's precisely the risk. These are not 60 plusyearold folks who had voted in every primary and general election, good citizens for the last 30 plus years. These are kids who maybe if they have one too many bond hits are not going to show up and pull the lever for anybody because they are not going to get off the couch and i think that's the real risk when you bank your campaign on mobilization and they will give any persuasion. Don't forget, nikki haley was winning voters for months after she dropped out of the race. In a republican primary, look. Some of those are democrats making mischief, but a lot of them are traditional kind of bushy republicans who have not gotten out of touch from trump, who are still out there trying to figure out what they do. Harris, trump, or none of the above. That bird to me is really interesting and they are not in the manoverse. Let me say for the record, i don't think the kids do bong hits, they have a lot of i would know. I would not know. I don't think the harris campaign is intending on having a gendered strategy by launching this reproductive freedom bus tour as they did earlier this week. I don't think reproductive freedom should be a gendered issue but the fact of the matter it is and in in american politics, but it is an issue where democrats have a proven track record of winning on. Abortion actually brings voters out. Sure, sure. If you are pursuing the i will call a gendered, but not intentionally so, perhaps more directed at women strategy of harris on the abortion question. Who do you think like which hand would you rather have? certainly, if you look at the history of american politics since the dobbs decision of june of 2022, clearly you would have to say that kamala harris strategy, i wouldn't recommend that either. I don't think that she's pursuing just a gender strategy but i don't think it would be wise if she was to do that but obviously, between those two, the more likely voter to come out to your point earlier would be the one we were responding to the issue for the issue of abortion rights. We have to talk about this study in contrast year. Is not just the ordering of donuts and j. D. Vance a seeming incapability between picking between cinnamon rolls and glazed goes with sprinkles and tim walz just obvious comfort ordering will be pies. All the above. When we talk about the white working class, he's camped out in pennsylvania. Kamala harris, the campaign and she will be in pittsburgh until the debate. They are really trying to plant a flag there and i just wonder whether you think democrats and this new ticket have kind of a better shot at that group of voters. A huge part of i still think it's going be really difficult and i think it transcends the nominees of the party. There are broader trends on education polarization in this country that are moving working class voters to the gop across racial lines and it's frankly the biggest challenge that kamala harris faces. Traditionally, democrats in the party of the working class, that is sort of diminished in recent cycles and i think the biggest challenge she faces, nevada, arizona, north carolina, georgia, pennsylvania, workingclass voters, especially working class men, white, black, hispanic, can she mitigate her losses among that group. That's going tobe a huge driver as to whether or not she can that's why she's in new hampshire talking about a new economic agenda. Jay mart, the man who knows politics so, so well, even if he doesn't know that much about thc delivery systems. Not from the 21st century, at least. Good clarification. In queue free time tonight, my friend. Thank you, alex. We have a lot more to get to this evening. Including eyepopping, new allegations from the justice department about russian intends to interfere in the 2024 election. That is next. (voya) there are some things that work better together. Like your workplace benefits and retirement savings. 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