Transcripts For MSNBC The Saturday Show with Jonathan Capeha

MSNBC The Saturday Show with Jonathan Capehart September 9, 2024

Their High Stakes debate. Former President Trump Vice president Dick Cheney and his daughter liz say they will vote for Kamala Harris. Ill ask my family why the most prominent political families are standing up against trump. One notable person sitting out. And details about the Torture And Murder of Emmett Till. Im Jonathan Capehart and this is the Saturday Show. We are entering the final stretch in the race for 2024. There is just 59 days until the election. But some will get to cast their ballots sooner. A handful including pennsylvania are scheduled to begin early voting this month. Voters also get a chance to see Vice President Kamala Harris and donald Trump Face off in their first and possibly only debate this tuesday. Earlier today, the Vice President took a short break from Debate Prep to visit a small Spice Shop in pittsburgh. When asked if she was ready to take on Donald Trump. Here is what she had to say. Yes. Whats the one thing you want to get across to him . Well, theres a lot. But, look, it is time to turn the page. On the divisiveness. It is time to bring our country together. This weekend, her Campaign Surrogates will hold over 2,000 events talking about trumps extreme plans to Ban Abortion nationwide. Cut social security and medicare. Meanwhile, harris runs mate governor tim walz is in Washington Dc and will deliver the Keynote Address at the Human Rights national dinner. As for trump, he has been focused on rallies and Press Conferences and Town Halls where he spouts his usual nonsense and lies. With recent polls showing a tight race the man appears to be getting desperate. We have reached the scrounging for Scandals Part of the trump campaign. This week on fox news, he falsely claimed the debate would be rigged against him saying that harris would be provided the questions from abc in advance. Just when you think that Trump Cant get any lower, he goes out and buys a shovel. Today during a long rambling speech in wisconsin, he had these not so kind words about debating the Vice President. We are run by stupid people. Stupid, stupid people. And we found that out at the debate with show. We will find it out again on tuesday night. Is anybody going to be watching . You know, shes a threat to democracy. They always say Donald Trump is a threat to democracy. If i destroy her in the debate, they will say trump suffered a humiliating defeat tonight. No matter what. Joining me now is Basil Michael Jr. A democratic strategist. And david jolly. So, basil, msnbc reported in addition to harris preparing for policy responses, she is preparing for Donald Trump to say derogatory things about her. How should she respond . You dont need to do the same Add Homonym attacks that Donald Trump is. But you have to treat the bully as the bully he is. In 2016, he would follow Hillary Clinton around the Debate Stage, leaning over her. I doubt that will happen now. But she has said earlier in this month that she knew the type. And if she is going to prosecute the case against Donald Trump, then she should also treat him like the criminal that he is, the 34 Felony Counts he has received. Treat him as that person. Dont back down. Be strong. Always pivot back to that. Make sure she reminds The American people this is an inclusive campaign. What is the style of that Punch Back . Is it making fun of him . Sticking with the joy . You know, it is interesting. Because i dont think you need to elevate him. Folks say maybe we dont talk about him as a threat to democracy. Minimize him. Make him seem small and petty. You dont need obama level rhetoric. You just need to turn back and say you know, that is small minded. Immature. Dont make him seem bigger than he is ignore him. Push him to the side and make him feel irrelevant, he will push back in a way that will make him seem more unhinged if that is even possible. Harris campaign has agreed to allow muted mics after originally wanting them unmuted the whole time. Is this a setback for the Harris Campaign or does it matter . I dont think it matters at all. We all have eyes of what she should do. It turns out to be different. She will wow the country at the debate. I slightly agree with basil. I take his point. I think you Punch Back by belittling him. Being dismissive. Not directly engaging him. Almost dismissing him as the old incoherent rambling insulting racist he is. That is hard to do with a wink and a nod, but do it. Whats the greatest opportunity on the Debate Stage for the Vice President . The greatest opportunity has nothing to do with him. It is how she depends her and president bidens record. She will be pushed on that just as Donald Trump will be pushed on his hopefully. But the opportunity to command the stage i think is in one dismissing Donald Trump for the incoherent Aging Expresident he is. But also, to demonstrate command of policy. When she has exchanges with the moderators. Let The American people believe in you on the Debate Stage, if she does that, watch out, it should be a good night for her. So basil, Hillary Clinton seems to agree with you. She goes a step further. She says in an interview to the New York Times that she should Punch Back. She can bake him. He can be rattled. He doesnt know how to respond to substantiative direct attacks. That is absolutely right. If you look back on the ways he has attacked her, he attacks her intelligence and preparation. That is what people do. They prepare for stuff. Shoutout to karen dunn. I used with work with her, she is brilliant. She knows how to do this. She says this is how you go back. You have to x this and go this way. Thank you for putting the word. Being dismissive of Donald Trump is important. It gets under his skin. Gets him rattled. The last thing he wants is to be irrelevant. You will see the Split Screen of her being thoughtful. I want to play a Harris Campaign ad. He told us who he was. Should abortion be punished . There has to be some sort of punishment. Reporter when he showed us. The 54 years they were trying to get roe v. Wade terminated and i did it and im proud to have done it. Now Donald Trump wants to go further. Plans to restrict birth control. Ban abortion nationwide. Monitor womens pregnancies. We know who he is. Hell take control, well pay the price. So how do you think abortion is going to factor into the debate and how people vote in november . In Deep Blue new york, prop 1 will be on the Ballot Codifying reproductive rights. Really important it will help down ballot races. What you do is you focus on the fact Donald Trump wanted this outcome and took every draconian measure. You amplify that and say that will not be confined to one state. It will be 50 states if Donald Trump becomes president. What do you think the. Pact of Tuesdays Debate will be . I think all eyes are on Vice President harris. The person people have an opportunity to take the measure of her. The dnc was a remarkable week for her. But obviously scripted and no moderators. This will be a different environment and a live setting where The American people can see. Im waiting for this to become a theme of the last 60 days. I think Donald Trump has become increasingly irrelevant to the 2024 narrative. I know that sounds wild. He is the republican nominee, a former president. He is stuck at 45 or 46. No new tricks no method to move people toward him. We know how he will perform. Every american knows it. He has one of the most cemented brands in the worldment i dont see Donald Trump being relevant to the race other than how they spend money on vile vicious attacks on Vice President harris. If he is able to move somebody, it will be because he lands something that sticks on Vice President harris in a vicious way. Stay with us, our panel is sticking around. Coming up, Liz Cheney is not the only one in her famously on servetive family who is voting for Kamala Harris. Plus, as the Harris Campaign is releasing a new ad courting black voters, i will talk to someone doing outreach on the ground on how much needs to be done to turn out this crucial voter demographic. Out crucial voter demographic. Lets say youre deep in a show or a game or the game. On a train, at home, at work. Okay, maybe not at work. Point is at xfinity. Were constantly engineering new ways to get the entertainment you love to you faster and easier than ever. Thats what i do. Is that Love Island . Dick cheney, your father, beloved among democrats many years. If you know who he will be supporting . Do you care to share with us . Dick cheney will be voting for Kamala Harris. Who would have thought we would see a political shift as seismic as this . A former Vice President and political adversary saying he will vote for the democratic president ial candidate. But here we are. Liz and Dick Cheney are now a part of a growing list of american political dynasties rushing to endorse Vice President harris for president. This week, jimmy mccain, son of John Mccain announced that he had registered as a democrat and planned to cast his vote for harris in november. The Vice President also has support from the clintons. The obamas and most of the kennedys. Former president Jimmy Carter who turned 100 next month has declared he wants to make it to november so that he can vote for vp harris. Back with me, Michael Jr. And david jolly. Former bpcheney said in a statement there has never been an individual who is a greater threat to our republic than Donald Trump. Here is how Kamala Harris reacted to cheneys endorsement at a stop in pittsburgh today. Im honored to have their endorsement and i think that what they both as leaders who are well respected are making an important statement that it is okay and important to put country above party. I was talking to folks here in pittsburgh about it. People are exhausted about the division and the attempt to divide us as americans. Just for context because you have to say this talking about Dick Cheney, he was one of the major architects of the weapons of mass Destruction War in iraq under president bush. But how momentous is this endorsement. How big will that be . My gut says it is more historic than impactful. I want to give great credit to them. What im about to do is not to insult them. But in many ways when it comes to Donald Trump, they are by far lagging indicaters not leading indicaters. Liz herself voted for him in 2016 after the muslim ban. After russia, if you are listening, get her emails. Access hollywood. She voted for him again in 2020. Voted against the first impeachment. It wasnt until the violence of January 6th when Liz Cheney broke. After lots of other republicans had said no on principle. That is not to take away from this moment. That might be a narrow lane. It is an impactful one. There are republicans who i hate to say will hold their Nose And Vote for harris because they think trump is dangerous. If trump loses they will jump right back into the republican fold quickly. Thats fine. If it saves democracy, then we are better for it. So cue bows to them. I dont think we treat it as a leadership moment. I think Donald Trump has succeeded in blurring the definitions of heros and villains here. In response, Donald Trump called the Vice President a rino which is his favorite insult. What do you make of that . For me . Yeah. Heres the thing. Dick cheney as you alluded to, we think of iraq, all the hard right conservative conservatives he brings. There is nothing rino about Dick Cheney. Donald trump is the one who when he decided he was going to run for president for the first time wasnt sure if he was part of ross Perots Party or republican and democrat. And decided which party he could use as a vessel. And he chose the republican party. Donald trump is the true rino. Dick cheney remains secure. The former president george w. Bush has no plan to endorse anyone for president this year. President bush retired from president ial politics years ago. What do you make of what . Im not sure where that comes from. But i dont know that is even necessary. Right . You have Dick Cheney and Liz Cheney defending the shield. That is in my view, that is kind of what needed to happen. You needed prominent republicans to defend the shield. I would love to see them do a rally to try to help. But they are not going to do that to get democrats out because they are still republicans. It it creates a permission structure. It gives voters who may have been Nikki Haley voters who may have otherwise stayed home might go cast this ballot. If george w. Bush does endorse, i dont know if he will admit that. But it is important to be more additive in your coalition as opposed to Donald Trump who is always about substraction. Am i wrong . I think he should do the bold thing right now. Why step out . But i wonder is he seen as the republican standard there . Or is he like so what im done. So is barack obama. And guess what . He came out and did what he needed to do. We are just going to let george do his little paintings. And love on michelle obama. Thank you for being here. Thank you both very much. Great conversation. Up next, a new alliance of Advocacy Groups mobilizing black voters in several Swing States, my next guest, Kristin Powell is part of that alliance. And joins me next to discuss. I when i was diagnosed with hiv, i didnt know who i would be. But here i am. Being me. Keep being you. 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Now, nine Advocacy Groups, the new alliance focuses on black Voter Ins the Swing State of georgia, michigan, missouri, ohio, pennsylvania, and wisconsin. My next guest is part of this new effort. Joining me now is Kristin Powell. Thank you for joining me. Explain to us in what ways the black Voters Alliance is working to get the vote of the black community out. Thanks for having me. Its the black Power Voter Alliance. Black voters have a lot of power. We will determine the outcome of the election like we did in 2008 and 2020. That is through conversation. Talking about their power, what they care about which is mostly the economy, and why turning out to this connection is important. Not just on November 5th. But post November 5th so we can actually win the issues we care about. I want to know what you are hearing about black voters what their top Policy Concerns are. Yeah. So we are hearing a lot about the economy. And Gun Violence. Our organization, our sister organizations lab, the largest census of black people in american history. And they talked about 211,000 black people. The economy, and Gun Violence and we are hearing the same thing about the doors this summer and fall. We dont just want an economy that works for us, we want higher wages, lower costs on Child Care and housing that we also want Gun Violence eradicated. But not just community Gun Violence. We want Police Violence and White Supremacist violence. Those are the issues that matter the most. Black voters are less motivated

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