It and also he refused to say he would veto a national ban, which he could. J. D. Vance said they it is no 11 00 on the east coast. You are watching our coverage of the second president ial debate. The first debate between Vice President Kamala Harris and former president Donald Trump, which concluded a few minutes ago in philadelphia. To your point about news being made here, trump refused to say he would veto a national abortion ban. Trump also repeatedly refused to say that he thinks or wants, thinks that it would be good or wants for ukraine to win the war. Given half a dozen opportunities. He would not say it and he talks about how he is concerned about the number of Troops Russia has lost after they invaded another sovereign country. It was stunning. Joy, to your point about the way that Kamala Harris turned it to him directly. I want to read from the transcript. Kamala harris says, Donald Trump was fired by 81 Million people, so lets be clear. Clearly he is having a difficult time processing that, but we cannot afford to have a president of the United States to up well i have traveled the world as Vice President. World leaders are laughing at Donald Trump. I have talked with military leaders. With you. And they say you are a disgrace and when you then talk this way in a president ial debate over and over about Court Cases and you lost because you did lose the election, leads one to believe that perhaps we do not have in the candidate to my right the Temperament Or Ability to not be confused about that fact and that is deeply troubling and The American people deserve better. That is what you are talking about. The camera talking to people at home and talking to her opponent in ways that deeply, deeply rattled him and she is able to do it in the same answer. The democratic Vice President ial nominee, governor Tim Walz. Governor walz, i appreciate you making time to be here with us tonight, thank you. Think you for having me. You are at a Watch Party in arizona. Tell us how you assessed your Running Mates performance. I am out here in mesa and folks across the country got to see a president for all americans. You saw Kamala Harris conduct herself with dignity. She laid out a clear vision for an opportunity economy. To make sure Prescription Drugs are not too expensive and tackling the real problems and doing it all with Grace And Dignity and on the other side you saw a nearly 80yearold angry narcissist continue to do things that in any other setting i think the good news is a lot of americans will see this clip. They are going to talk to their neighbors and they are going to see what Vice President harris is bringing to them. She talks about them. He talks about himself. He goes on tangents that are hard to follow, so i have to tell you i am excited about this. Im glad more people are engaging and we have an opportunity. All of this, doing it with joy. A politics of joy, a politics of possibilities versus this increasingly dark. What i say is this guy is rooting against america. He is rooting for failure. He does not want good news. He does not want good economic news. He does not want to see Unemployment Or Inflation going down. He wants to see the worst because whatever twisted vision he has, he thinks he is the guy to fix it when he is the guy who started the problem. So she did a great job. I am really proud of her. She was just getting praised at this table that right out of the gate she was able to get to a lot of the details of her policy proposals. The kinds of practical proposals youre talking about, like Child Tax Credit and a Tax Deduction for Startup Businesses and first time homeowners. She laid out those things and it is important obviously to communicate those things to The American people with such a big audience. Tens of millions of people watching tonight. The other candidate did make a bunch of news tonight. He refused to say whether or not he would sign a national abortion ban. He refused to say that ukraine should win the war in russia. Do you yet have your own Health Care Plan and she responded by saying i have concepts of plans. I wonder if that Changes Anything for you in terms of how to campaign against him and his Running Mate . Hes the one who ruined roe and brags about it all the time. He wants his buddy to be in there and wants to undermine our alliances that kept peace in the world. He cant answer them and when you ask him for a plan, nine years on healthcare. We know what hes going to do. Hes going to destroy the aca. Get rid of preexisting condition protections. He will attack social Security And Medicare and one thing he is clear about, he will give Tax Cuts to the wealthy because that is one thing he followed through with. He has no plan. We all see this. When i was at the memorial it was clear that other countries were deeply concerned with Donald Trump coming back. Deeply concerned that his inability to do anything other than a transactional shakedown of our historical allies, as we sit on the beaches of normandy where americans died. When you give in on ukraine it empowers china, empowers putin, empowers dictators. Again, one example. He was asked for one World Leader who is with him and it was viktor orban. That is all you need to know. You have a leader in Kamala Harris who understands the importance of the alliances. She understands what it means to stand up for western democracies and what it means to talk about others. Donald trump talked about himself 99 of the time and if he wasnt talking about that he was talking about orban so i cannot of been clearer. And i want to say if i can make my plug, she did her job, americans need to do theirs. Get engaged, get the facts. Go and do some doorknocking. Talk to your neighbor. Talk to your relatives. It was clear tonight that there is only one person on that stage who should be president of the United States and that was Kamala Harris. One of the more interesting and a back and forth about he has made contrary remarks about this in recent days. He tried to claim i think not very credibly and was called out by moderators, tried to claim those comments were made sarcastically as if you were joking. It did not seem as he was. The reason this is not just about 2020, not about four years ago, it is about now. Presumably his attitude toward american elections carries through from the last one to this one and i have to ask if you and your campaign and Vice President harris are fully expecting that even if you wipe the floor with him, if you win by a lot in november, that he is going to enlist the entire republican party, nationally and in every state that he can, in trying to claim falsely that he won. That is who this guy is and lets be clear this is a threat to democracy. It is the most treasonous thing you can do to undermine a fair and free election. Hes never had anybody support, Anyone Other than a pillow guy, support is insane rhetoric around this. This is dangerous. 140 Police Officers were hurt and some were killed. This has caused issues across the country. The campaign is ready for this. We know it will be a tough race. We know he is not going to probably concede. That is why we say get out there, get engaged. Make sure we do everything necessary and i want to give a huge thank you to election workers. Folks like my mom who has been a Poll Watcher for years. Republicans, democrats, independents who do the Hard Work of democracy for no money. They are put at risk by the recklessness of Donald Trump because he cant at nearly 80 years old do something that my fourthgraders when i taught them did. When you lose a game you go shake hands and congratulate the other person and you move on. We are in this together. This guy cares nothing about democracy. He cares nothing about The American people. He cares about himself and himself only, and again i appreciate the moderators calling him out on this. Questioning him on it. Making it clear that he lost. Look, this guy is a threat. Its going to be a close election. We know it comes down to the battleground states, so for all of the listeners out there, we need you. We need you to get engaged. Harris is going to be that president for all of us. You dont have to agree with every policy, but it is very clear. Because he was willing to put the constitution above Donald Trump, so we get to continue this conversation but it is absolutely critical people know what the threat is. Governor walz i want to ask about the debate with j. D. Vance Coming Up, but while we have been talking somebody handed me something. I am going to read it to you in totality. I will read you the whole thing because i dont think you know about this. This was posted online by a woman you might have heard of whose name is Taylor Swift. Im going to read to you what she just posted. Like many of you i watched the debate tonight. If you have not already, now is a great time to do research on the issues at hand and the standings on topics that matter to you most. As a voter and make sure to watch and read everything i can about the policies and plans for this country. Recently i was made aware that a. I. Of me falsely endorsing Donald Trumps president ial run was posted. It conjured up my fears around the dangers of spreading misinformation. It brought me to the conclusion that i need to be transparent about my plans for the election as a voter. The simplest way to combat this is with the truth and she said i will be casting my vote for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz in the 2024 president ial election. Im voting for Kamala Harris because she fights for the rights and causes i believe we need a warrior to champion them. I believe she is a gifted leader and we can accomplish more in this country and not by chaos. I was impressed by her selection of Running Mate Tim Walz, standing with lgbtq rights, ivf and womans rights to her own body. Im doing my research and have been my choice. I find it is much easier to vote early. With love and hope, Taylor Swift. Signed, childless cap lady. I have to get your response to that, mister governor. Im grateful to Taylor Swift and i say that as a cat owner. Weve seen it out of the republicans at the dnc. They were forced to go out because they nearly died and cant get abortion services during a pregnancy. Now you have someone like Taylor Swift making that very clear. This will be the opportunity for swifties. Get on over and give us a hand and get things going. You have your own debate with j. D. Vance Coming Up quickly. Do you have thoughts about how to approach that . He is a yale law guy. Im a public school teacher, so we know where he is at on that. I think it is a good opportunity to contrast where we are at. Things that impact americans, making sure they have the opportunity to thrive. Making sure we are being factual, so im looking forward to it. I will work hard. That is what we will do. Senator vance is a United States senator, he will come well prepared. The american public is on the side of truth. On the side of things that impact their lives in a positive way. And i will continue to put that out and continue to lift up this incredible vision that Kamala Harris brought up tonight. To be joyful, hopeful, and look, it is what it is. Dont Mistake Ursine mistake her kindness for weakness. You put bullies in her place and she put a bully in his place all night and before our eyes. Donald trump got angry. We need to keep the pressure on and when this thing. We dont know what the voters will think of tonights debate. We dont know how many people tuned in and watched it. The immediate reaction from political observers was that Vice President harris essentially wiped the floor with Donald Trump. Joy reid said that the word she chose was destroyed. Chris hayes and Lawrence Odonnell had an interesting talk about whether or not this mightve been the best televised president ial Debate Performance ever, not just Donald Trump, but any president ial debate. Again, we dont know how viewers at large will view it, but at least here are tiny, weird Focus Group thinks she did very well. Given that it does not necessarily lend itself to an obvious next choice. You could leave it at this and decide it was a good way to leave yourself in the minds of voters, heading into the Voting Booth or you could agree to another debate. If Donald Trump agreed to do it, do you think Vice President harris should debate them again . I dont want to speak for her, but i would be encouraging her to do it every day if she could. It is the same, old, tired agenda that he brings every time and she brings the ability to articulate what americans are asking for. In his mind 99 of people, whatever that is, it is him and whoever else is in his head. She will make that decision. We agreed to these two debates. We will carry them out and see where they go, but i encourage americans not to believe this is over by any stretch. We know that it will be close. We know there will be attempts to try to discourage people from voting, but Taylor Swift is right. Get registered, get engaged and voting is the entry point. Maybe make a few Phone Calls and do doorknocking. If you can contribute. Those are the things that help us take the message to the country. Minnesota governor Tim Walz, sir i know there is a lot of pressure on your schedule tonight. Thank you for spending some of it here with us. Thanks, rachel. Good luck, sir. I want to point out that Taylor Swift has 283 Million followers and 1 Million people have already liked that Instagram Post it already has 1 Million like send it only came out during our interview. Yes and it is not the first post. She has posted three other things since then. Taylor swift is not just a celebrity. She actually commands a humongous squad of particularly young White Women and i think it is important to point that out. One of the places that democrats have never been able to do well is among white voters, even young white voters. Even young White Women. Dobbs has changed a lot, but you also had people like Taylor Swift who culturally put forward a vision of young womanhood that is super modern and she has been relentlessly attacked by the j. D. Vance world as being a bad Role Model because she is unmarried. So she now is leaning into the exact demographic that j. D. Vance relentlessly targets. That he relentlessly disrespects. She commands so much popularity among her super fans that they changed the nfl in a lot of ways, so it is not a small endorsement. It is a big deal. A lot of her fans are too young to buy concert tickets. So taylor Swifts Fandom is made up of fans and parents. Their moms and dads. If there were ever a campaign and candidacy, a push on choice, on eliminating exceptions, on positive Role Models and humility and joy. This may be a Door Swinging open for the Girl Dads for harris. May i say as a hopeless bleeding heart liberal, i did not think we would get football a Travis Kelce situation, i did not see that coming. Note that Kendrick Lamar is going to be there like it is also a theme of the harris campaign. To your point about Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce and what that is is a popculture phenomenon. The idea of going and talking about the purpose and all this stuff. It is true that this Fringe Weirdness is a huge part of what is the modern night, the Donald Trump Coalition And Rfk endorsing all this stuff. That is their play. The Rfk Vote and the podcast, versus Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce. The only jobs he has had his as a protege of an eccentric Rightwing German Billionaire who said his democracy should never have been attempted and everything went downhill since women got the right to vote. That is the only person he has ever had jobs working for and that is who bought him his u. S. Senate seat. It is the only election he has ever run in and they picked him as Vice President to Donald Trump. They could have somebody to normalize Donald Trump. Instead they picked the intern to a man who does not believe in democracy and who spent a good part of his own political life trying to convince white ring billionaires that they should move to floating Shipping Attenders in the middle of the sea, because no land based continent can contain them. By the way he is now the person with the second closest finger on the button to n 80 yearold declining Senior Citizen who you can see is cognitively declining, but not only that they are running against the whole culture. It is Beyonce And Taylor swift. Budweiser and the nfl. It is all of it. But it is a 5050 race. To bring this back to reality, literally. I feel like i have never been impressed by endorsements. They tend to be people who the base already identifies with. This is, i think, the most important endorsement we have ever seen in a president ial campaign. The harris for President Campaign and the two most perfectly timed and important endorsements of this campaign. Joe bidens 27 minute timed endorsement after he said im not the candidate. Perfectly. It is so important to the people consuming the Taylor Swift endorsement. I watched the debate. I didnt decide this yesterday. It is a new candidate for all of us, so i watched a more than 90 minute debate. I watched this candidate against the other candidate and i thought about it and here i am. Here is my endorsement. The timing is exquisite. The wording is flawless and perfect, right down to the cat lady stuff. For someone who has never been impressed by a celebrity endorsement, this is perfect and powerful. The