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It and also he refused to say he would veto a national ban, which he could. J. D. Vance said they it is no 11 00 on the east coast. You are watching our coverage of the second president ial debate. The first debate between Vice President Kamala Harris and former president Donald Trump, which concluded a few minutes ago in philadelphia. To your point about news being made here, trump refused to say he would veto a national abortion ban. Trump also repeatedly refused to say that he thinks or wants, thinks that it would be good or wants for ukraine to win the war. Given half a dozen opportunities...

Donald trump which concluded just a few minutes ago in philadelphia. Chris, to your point about ms. Being made here, trump refused to say that he would veto national Abortion Ban. Trump also repeatedly refused to say that he thinks or wants thinks that it would be good, or wants for ukraine to win the war in russia. He would not say it and then he talks about how hes very concerned about the number of troops that russia has lost after they invaded another sovereign country . I mean, it was stunning. Joy, to your point about the way that Kamala Harris turned it to him directly, i want to read t...

Little bit of dispute. this is more rumor than anything else. >> you said that to buzz feed. >> yeah. that's one of the possibilities and one of the rumors. >> you stated it as fact. >> maybe i did, but i -- right now i'm at the point where i'm learning. i can only -- i can't prove that. i can say it's rumor. i can prove it's rumor, but i can't prove it's fact. >> you said as a matter of fact on hannity and buzz feed -- >> how do you separate fact and opinion? >> i don't know how do you do that. so rudy giuliani labels things he has declared to be facts as rumors. he's calling his own answers ...

Now i'm at the point where i'm learning. i can only -- i can't prove that. i can say it's rumor. i can prove it's rumor, but i can't prove it's fact. >> you said as a matter of fact on hannity and buzz feed -- >> how do you separate fact and opinion? >> i don't know how do you do that. so rudy giuliani labels things he has declared to be facts as rumors. he's calling his own answers on fox news rumors and having done that he said he does not know how to separate facts from rumors. so right on schedule tonight, politico is reporting a giuliani headline that reads trump grows frustrated with giu...