Pushing ridiculous Disinformation And Fear about who is and who isnt voting in american elections. That tomorrow at 10 00 a. M. Eastern. I hope you will join us. That is tonights last word. The 11th Hour with Stephanie Ruhle begins right now. Weve gotten great praiseworthy debate. He decisively lost for the make no mistake about it but ash trump had a bad night. In springfield they are eating the dogs. They are eating the cats. They are eating they are eating the pets of the people that live there. Talk about extreme. Whoever did Debate Prep for Donald Trump should be fired. Just yes or no, you still do not have a plan. I have concepts of a plan. Hes become a joke. Eating the dolls, they are eating the cats. Eat cats, eat the cat. Nobody is eating cats, nobody is eating dogs. Its a lie. No no, the real threat is whats happening at our border. What is most frightening of all is that just about a half of the country is buying what hes selling. One person who looked at this debate and decided they had seen enough was Taylor Swift. She says, quote, i will be casting my vote for, harris and him waltz. This is, i think, the most important Celebrity Endorsement Weve ever seen in a president ial campaign. If you are over 18, please register to vote for something else. I believe we owe it to have another debate, right . We owe it to the voters. There will be no third debate. Give him a little break. That one left a mark. That one left a mark. Good evening once again. I am Stephanie Ruhle and we are now just 53 days away from the election. The voters are paying a lot more attention to what the candidates are actually saying while Kamala Harris focuses on issues like Reproductive Rights and affordable childcare. Donald trump and hiS Partner, j. D. Vance, Go For Broke on Conspiracy Theories and big, fat lies. Whether it is immigrants eating household pets, the childless cat ladies ruining our country. Weve got a lot to cover so i want to bring in our nightcap and it is a great one. Haze brown is here, Msnbc Daily Columnist and editor. Callum rosenblatt, Internet Culture Reporter for nbc News Percodan Nathan joins us, cnbc Contributor And Host of the on the take podcast. Mary harris is back, managing Editor And Host of slates daily newS Podcast. What is next . Over 67 Million people watched this weeks debate. That is a great sign for the american people and one of the biggest headlines that we are still talking about i cant believe we are, and we are because he wont stop talking about it is what is happening in springfield, ohio. Donald trump talked about it again today, this ridiculous insistence that illegal immigrants are stealing, killing, and eating pets. Donald trump again is insisting its true. It is not. Why is he doing this . How is this helping him with undecided voters, which he actually needs . Thats almost unanswerable. I cant say that it is. I dont think its appealing to hiS People. I think its appealing to people who believe the Conspiracy Theory. And just pick apart what you said there. Illegal immigrants. These are haitian immigrants who have temporary protected status. These are not illegal immigrants that hes talking about. And you have whats happening in springfield. J. D. Vance just today tweeting that they are spreading communicable diseases. The Department Of Health has said that is untrue. All the only thing that is happening, frankly, is Bomb Threats to the local elementary schools. And a heartbroken father whose had to tell people to stop using his son as a prop. Thats whats happening. Thats the real stuff thats happening. Just think about that, these realworld consequences. The Bomb Threats, the schools closing. Do they care . No. What i dont understand is whats the point of this. The point is to try to drill down at the very base of what they are trying to do is they are trying to say that because theres a high level of immigration to this country, that is bad. And because Kamala Harris is in favor of open borders, which she is actually not. No democrat that im aware of in elected office is actually in favor of fully open borders. They argue, though, that anything that an immigrant does is the fault of all immigrants at thiS Point. So theyre trying to make this very basic argument about immigration. But because the people they are trying to reach and trying to communicate with her in this right wing bubble, they are just so in a little torrid mass amongst themselves where they cant communicate with anyone outside that bubble anymore. So they keep leaning into these weird racist names and trying to bring attention to them in hopes of getting to that core issue. But probably turning off undecideds who are like, i dont like people crossing the border illegally but what are you talking about . Is there a chance, though, that republicans or Donald Trump is getting his wish . People are going to dismiss the cat stealing and eating but he does now have people focused on immigration, and there are people out there going what, the town is overrun, the town is at Max Capacity . This is a problem, and the national news is now focused on an immigration problem. And we wouldnt be talking about it this week had he not pushed these lies. I think he picked the wrong state. Hes going to win ohio. Id be focused on arizona or one of these states where its obviously on the border. So texas doesnt really work. When i think about it, its really something weve all become immune to. Its the politics of fear and cruelty, and Thats Something weve heard for nine years now. When you think about that, all it does is Fan Service for his base. When he says it at an event like that with 67 Million people watching, 34 Million are really jacked up about it. Theyre really excited about it, and then he doubles down and its a really great narrative for him. And this is something hes done again and again. In 2016 he ran on fear mongering, but he also won because he was somebody new. He was somebody different. People didnt know what they were getting. By the 28th the midterms, when he waS Pushing the caravan like, the caravan lie, day in and day out, up until the day of the terms, those caravans never showed up and he never mentioned it again. People have seen this tired game and not enough of them will vote for him to win. Hes on his heels right now. When you think about it, you just mentioned 2018. He has the biggest upset in the history of u. S. Politics, then he became the biggest loser when you think about 2018, 2020 and 2022. Like thats it, hes over. Its done as far as a certain amount of people. Like we know what it is. 80 Million people who feel that way, were talking about 100 or maybe 150 Thousand people who have to see it the way that we were articulating it right here, and thats the game for the next 53 days. You follow all that happens on the internet. We see the names going crazy over this Conspiracy Theory and crushing him. But what does it take to get him to stop . Because there are a lot of people who believe it wouldnt stop the Conspiracy Theories from going mainstream. Definitely not the memes because the memes are everywhere right now. You cant open ticktock with out a remix of someone eating the dog, eating the cat soundbite. What its going to take is i think these Social Media Platforms having stronger fact checkers, having more moderation. Good luck with that. Elon musk shared Video Today of someone saying that their father did eat cats. Right now we are in a place where Social Media is still so unregulated. It is still the wild west and i think these Conspiracy Theories are still going to run wild, and the problem is they become a joke so theyre funny but then theyre repeated, i mean millions of times. Just that soundbite of eating the cats, even the dogs, has been just listened to on Tick Tock tens of millions of times. And its been used in videos over 77,000 times. So we are going to just keep hearing these things repeated and repeated even if they are in Joke Form and they will not stop until somebody steps in, a tech company, Social Media company, and they say we will not allow even a joke of a Conspiracy Theory. Or dare i say, regulators. You have the hardest question. Oh gosh. Why is this race still so tight . harris at thiS Point has endorsements from Aoc And Dick cheney. That is the definition of a broad coalition. And Donald Trump has even rejected the support of nicky haley. He cant even see the center. So why is this race so tight . I think this race is still so tight because you do have enough people in enough states who are waiting to see what happens, and who are trying to make the choice between do i go with Kamala Harris here, though i dont agree with her policies, or Donald Trump, even though i dont agree with him as a person. I think thats the real question that just enough people in just enough states are asking themselves still, somehow. She knows this and her policies are more centrist than Joe Bidens are. She hears that so she has moved to the center, yet we dont even what are Donald TrumpS Policies . Mass deportation and mega tariffs that are only going to hurt the economy. Youre getting this question. Yes, regulation. Lots of people in the Business World dont like lean upon. Regulation is an issue. What is it like when i dont know her well enough but weve been down with these policies. Lower taxes, deregulation. With the lower taxes, not everybody is going to get their taxes lowered. Corporations are. The wealthiest americans. So its like who do you want 2 do you want to expand the child tax credit, do you want to help able start businesses and buy homes, or do you want to have for Tax Cuts 2 you are helping one side or the other. Its not like hes lowering taxes. Hes not what you need to do is she needs to get away from Biden Onyx and she needs to articulate the way shes going to use terrace that will actually fend off China A Little Bit but not hurt the center of america, the Manufacturing Base here. I think you just articulated very well, trump talks about tariffs like all that money is going to go into the Treasury Or Something like that and all that does is actually very inflationary. If you look at the existing policies that we have right now, we are keeping china at a. Chinas economy is so bad right now and they actually have the potential to export deflation so weve been so focused on deflation and listen, a lot of people are really hurting right now. The cumulative effects of inflation. But you know whats really coming hard . Crude oil is coming in hard, Interest Rates are coming in right now, so theres a lot of things that might end up being a tailwind for the u. S. Consumer. Thats how she has to really start to focus on what is your plan to build on some of the things that are coming around right here her way. And the last thing ill say is this not you say it all the time, the Stock Market is not the economy. The Stock Market is at alltime highs right now and so if this was trump he he saying, youre welcome, america. Here is the S P 500, which is a big index, thats alltime highs of 18 of the year, but they are just not going to get to that game. Theyre going to focus on the things thats going to help everyday americans. You know what . Why the hell does she have to explain herself down to every policy and every word . He sure never has. Heres what he said this week on healthcare. He just dumped on Obama Care for 9 straight years and his answer was, i have concepts for could you imagine if she said ive got concepts . The wildest thing about the debate is going and it felt so unfair. harris has to walk this line where she holds into account but she doesnt look too harsh and Donald Trump just needs to be not openly racist. And i was like, what, why does he get this curve . Like what is this . She has to but at the same time, it does feel unfair. For young people, what is it . Whats keeping them not voting yet. Whats keeping them not voting yet is being really frustrated with the biden administration, feeling like Kamala Harris is an extension of the biden administration, and truthfully that has a lot to do with israel in gaza. Also some young people not wanting to vote for trump because, you know, hes trump so theyre like i dont have a party in this. I dont have a dog in this fight. My vote doesnt matter so they dont want to get involved. Kamala harris is an extension of Biden And Trump is going to just ruin america. But if they sit out they dont have a voice. But then help me with this. So the young person who says, listen, i dont like her policies but i dont like hiS Personality. What are hiS Policies that they like . If they are saying they are really unhappy about Israel And Gaza, do they know what hes going to do hell that the problem, though. A lot of people say its Israel And Gaza and maybe things get a little better under Kamala Harris, or its gaza is wiped off the face of the earth under trump and there are people are online, there are people in Social Media who are trying to explain that theres yes, neither situation iS Perfect for what some of these young people want, but one sure is a heck of a lot better than the other. Do you think hes going to relieve your Student Debt problems . Thats what i dont get. I think hes a terrible guy but i dont like her policies. Tell me what policies of his you are down with. We are seeing such a vibes based election. Its a problem but it is still a vibes based election. People are, especially young people are looking at who is it that i think most represents me. Who is my avatar, at thiS Point, i guess . Who is it that i look at and think, okay, their closest to me and therefore they are who i like. With trump you see young people who are supporting him. Theyre like oh, he gets to say whatever he wants. He gets to troll people. He gets to he is in theory rich. Right, right. By all measures he is rich. And i say also, i spent a week talking to Young Republicans who, after the Taylor Swift endorsement i know well talk about that later, but they were telling me, you know, she cares about social issues because of lgbtq people, but us common folk, we cant afford food, we cant afford housing. Its a terrible economy. And these are young people. I dont know if theyve had to deal with these issues, with the full brunt of these issues, but they see him as a home based guy and they see her as like wanting to work on all these social issues, and they feel like we dont have the ability to work on social issues. And i counter that, too, dan . Do you know who really talks about social issues and culture issues and lgbtq issues the most . Republicans. I dont actually see democrats i dont remember the last time i heard Kamala Harris talk about them like that but i hear j. D. Vance talk about it all the time. Thats the politics of grievance. Ill just say one thing about the young males. There really unreliable. Just go back and look at the history of a Voting Block, if you like. They like to actually get involved in these Culture Wars a little bit ago but i dont know how, if you are a young person in youre watching two nights of the dnc, when they are up in milwaukee and when she spoke, i think it was on the thursday night, and not really create some sort of separation between Joe Biden and what a lot of folkS Pink about as the last 3 1 2 years and the stewardship that he had. Shes done a great job of tacking back towards the center. Now she has to articulate why shes not really progressive. Because its interesting that biden had to tack to a more Progressive Stance and now she has the opportunity. I just think shes very obviously shes articulate. Now she has to tell us, what is her plan on immigration, what is your plan for the economy . Shes destroying him right now on female Reproductive Rights. She has to do that without diminishing enthusiasm better nomination picked up in the base, and thats i think the thread she has to pull, like talking about her integration plan. How do you do that in a way that gets to the people who are actually worried about immigration, and the state of things, and want to fix a broken system . Guess what she did that Tuesday Night at the debate. She talked about eating cats and she legit ate his lunch. Were going to talk about that after the break. Nobody is going anywhere. When we come back, trump says no more debates. Who does that actually help . Later you know were talking about t swift. Were only doing it because dan is a hard course with the. Endorsing Kamala Harris, kicking off another debate about the power of Celebrity Endorsements on our Night Cap when the 11th Hour continues. We were able to track our technician and knew exactly when hed arrive. We can keep working synth Music Woman Safelite came to us. Tech hi, im kendrick. 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