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MSNBC Ayman September 16, 2024

Possessing a semy automatic rifle. The individual's name is ryan wesley routh. Age 58 according to senior law enforcement officials briefed on the matter. The suspect is in custody. A short while ago the palm beach county described the scene where they found him. Now in the bushes where this guy was, is an ak47 style rifle, two backpacks which were honed on the fence that had ceramic tile in them and a go pro which he was going the take pictures of. Reporter: they later released these images on what they found on the suspect. That backpack, the go pro camera and an ak47. Wesley routh lives in hawaii but previously lived in greensboro, north carolina. Some of his previous facebooks and linked inaccounts have been identified. We're checking in with you pretty regularly as we learn more about the suspect. We now have learned a little bit more about his background. His criminal record, social media profile. Give us the composite of what we're learning about who this man is in the early hours of this investigation. We were told he has a criminal record we did not know how extensive he was. He has over 100 criminal charges previously. Most are in north carolina. The question that we're trying to sift through here is what was actually real? what actually made its way to court. What was adjudicated in court. Was he ever convicted, did he ever play guilty to anything. How did that go with responds to felonies and should he been able to purchase this weapon. A lot of questions that they're going through right now. That takes cares of the criminal history and social media component. There's a lot of posts flying throughout social media. We're still trying to confirm some of the specific accounts. Because in this day and age given the fake posts and ai driven content we see we want to be extra careful. So we do have a sense though, that at some point at least the new york times appears to have profiled him. He was somebody who is very much proukrainian. But we're still trying to get more details on that. As far as where he is, he's in police custody at this hour. He's going to be brought on most likely local charges. That be state charges by the palm beach state attorney who's dave aaronburg. Appeared often times here on msnbc. They will likely put charges on him. That would be to hold him without bail. The fbi says they're investigating this as some of you have been reporting for some time now is an apparent assassination attempt. That is a federal crime. So if they think they have enough evidence for it that this is the person that they believe is responsible, then at that point, they will perhaps bring federal charges against him. So that's where that stands from a federal component. And then it'll be up to either side to determine who will go first. I think what aaronburg said at the conference, at least for the moment it appears that basically, he'll put those charges you're looking at them there on him and then at some point the feds may move forward with their case and that's how that will work. So that's the next step from a legal perspective. They reference at the press conference the phone content will be typed up. And he was found on a car. They have the go prothere so was he recording on things ahead of time. Is there audio. Were there statements that may help with the time of event. You don't have to be an avid watcher of date line to figure out what the next steps that federal investigators are going to take on that. I chuckle at that but obviously this is a very serious incident. Just to take a step back guys. We have an ongoing presidential campaign. You've got candidates criss crossing the country. You have the general nation assembly the high week where over 100 world leaders come in. I don't have to tell you what's going on between hezbollah, hamas, iran, with everything going on in the middle east. We have ukraine, there's a lot of foreign interests. The secret service is responsible for that. That's their security preview. So there's an awful lot of responsibility on them. And i think there's some serious questions and very serious discussions i am told happening tonight at the most senior levels of the federal law enforcement community about exactly how does this look going forward. What does it mean for these campaigns and, i have been told the threats to trump and it's obvious given the events of today. The threats to vice president harris, the democratic presidential candidate have been very high as well. So none of this bodes particularly well as we head into the. It'll be difficult to get your hands on a gun. We're obviously not at the point yet where you have a full understanding of where he got the gun and how he got the gun knowing that he's known to law enforcement as they say. They'll go back and look at the gun's serial numbers see where it was last registered, where it was last sold. Was it in fact, sold to him. Was it sold to other individuals. Did he legally transfer this gun in many different ways that that can happen. Did he legally transfer this gun to rou th so that's going to be a big question. If he didn't, if somebody sold this there's a potential for federal charges there. That's a little ways down the road. They have to go through this system. It's not terribly efficient. And atf has not received an awful lot of funding to make it efficient so it's a little challenging. Thank you for that threat assessment and threat seams that are out there. Nbc news correspondent kathy park is where it all went down. What's the situation now. Ali, we're right in front of the golf course right now where this incident took place. I can tell you there's a tight perimeter around this resort. And you know earlier today we heard from the sheriff says look, the witness who saw the suspect actually saw this individual jump out from the bushes. Just kind of show you the lay of the land behind me. It's a little dark right now but we can tell you, there are a lot of bushes. Very tall bushes. You can't really see into the golf course right now and authorities have not specified the exact location where this individual, the witness saw the suspect. But it was the quick thinking of the witness who quickly wrote down the license plate number. Then reported this information to authorities. It was a black nissan and officials were able to track down the suspect on the interstate. Pretty much in a matter of minutes. But during that time, resources moved in very quickly. You had local, state and federal agencies blocking off the roadways. And eventually they were able to arrest the suspect. The former president was on the fourth or fifth hole and when he does this he typically has a bubble around him. Agents noticed the gun and that's when agents fired. No injuries were reported. That's how things played out. They mobilized extremely quickly. They were able to get the suspect who once again is now in custody. But, this is something that we're following very closely. Not a lot of activity at this point. We did see a caravan of sheriff's deputies kind of go through here just a few moments ago. Looks like either they're breaking down and just kind of moving the barricades at this point. We're just reinforcing this area right now. But, just a few minutes ago i do want to share this. Speaker johnson posted on x he spent a few hours with the former president today. He wrote kelly and i are departing maralago we just spent a few hours for president trump and are thanking god for protecting him today. Again, no leader in american history has received more attacks. He's unstoppable. The investigation is pressing ahead. Right now evidence is being processed. You have the air assault style wep weapon as well as the two backpacks. This is still kind of its infancy. Still a lot we're tracking at this hour. Thank you a lot for that update. And dave aaronburg state attorney for palm beach county, florida. We usually talk to you every sunday night so we're glad you're still with us, but wish it was under other circumstances. Let's start with the basics. What is the potential charge here of this suspect. Because we've been seeing some conflicting reporting. Is it your understanding that he managed to get a shot off in the direction of the golf course or was he laying in wake to possibly strike? what do you understand as to what he was actually there doing? it's my understanding, amon that he was laying in wait. And secret service did a heroic job to see a needle in the hay stack essentially. A guy through the bushes, pointing an ak47 style rifle toward the former president. And they took action. And they shot at him. Now, according to what i note, he the suspect pointed the rifle at secret service. So that could create a charge of aggravated assault with a firearm. Which since it's pointed at a secret service member could get you up to 15 years in prison as a second degree felony. Normally it's a third degree felony charge. With that said, and tom winter was right. At the press conference i said it looked like we'll be the ones to file the charges first. But the federal government could come in and they could file their own charge at any time. And they have decided to do so. So this will be charged in a federal case. This will not be charged as a state case after the press conference informed us that they're going to be taking it over. They're going to be filing federal charges. This guy is in a whole world of hurt right now because the federal government has a lot of charges and severe penalties that we at the state level do not have. What institutes an attempted assassination. By the way, an attempted anything. An attempted murder or whatever it is. If anyone goes through planning and acquires the things they need and end up at this place. But doesn't get a shot off. Does that fall into the same category? yes, you don't have to get a shot off to be charged with an attempted assassination. Just like you don't have to get a shot off to be charged with an attempted murder. If you've done something, taken some action. He's facing a lot of time potentially in prison. One of the reasons why we were acting to get the warrants together and the motion for pretrial detention is to make sure that he would not be free of federal charges. But no worries about that now. The federal government has stepped in and he will be facing charges shortly. Did you get any sense from him as to what motivated him, what the ideology was. Had he spoken to anyone who had interacted with him from local law enforcement that arrested him. We understand he is in palm beach county in the custody of the secret service. Can you shine any light at all about the demeanor of the suspect since he has been brought into custody? well, when he was caught in martin county which is about 45 minutes north of west palm beach. Shows you he drove on i95 north. I don't know if he was trying to drive back to north carolina. He was picked up and he was apparently pretty quiet. Compliant with law enforcement. It shows you he's done this before. He's had a rap sheet so he knew enough not to talk. He didn't. Now whether he said something since the traffic stop i don't know. He's back in palm beach county now. But, you know fortunately we had the good samaritan, fortunately had secret service. Which they did a great job after they got so much criticism in butler, pennsylvania. They did an excellent job. And we have great communication with our federal partners. Can you tell me a little bit to two new yorkers here how it works in florida when you have a long wrap sheet but you have that kind of weapon? well, yeah, unfortunately florida is pretty lose when it comes to gun charges. Whether we should have had more protection around the former president. There's a lot of protection around him. The streets are closed outside of mar alago. The streets are even closed when the president is not there. The golf course is pretty large with a lot of hedges. And it's easy for people to get through that. And it happens with people taking photographs and posting them on social media. There are very lose laws and that may come in the federal level. An assault weapons laws. That may have to come by something federally. The only thing we don't have is open carry. We have a good samaritan that was amiss. They knew something was wrong. Fortunately we averted a tragedy from happening but it is a crime for an exfelon to possess a weapon. But the ability to get weapons it's still pretty easy. Just because you're familiar with the law more than any one of us. How does the ideology that may emerge as a motivation behind this shooter, change the potential charge. You and i have talked about this sometimes in the past that, we don't necessarily have a lot of strong domestic terrorism statutes but how would an individual's ideological leaning here, if it's connected to a foreign entity or a foreign organization, it immediately changes the dynamic of what possible charges and then terrorism suddenly becoming in play. It's a great point, because there is a federal statute. It's very tough about providing assistance to a foreign terrorist organization to be part of a foreign terrorist organization. But there's no similar statute for a domestic terrorist organization. We do not have a domestic terrorism statute with penalties. That's something i have talked about in the past and i think needs to be addressed. In the meantime the federal government has other laws. They have severe firearms laws they can invoke. They've got attempted assassination laws. And so, they could file serious charges against this guy. As far as his intent it seems like based on his social media profile he was really impassioned about the ukraine conflict with russia. But couldn't realize what he was trying to do was an evil act themselves. When you get people who try this stuff, you don't get people who are normal. It doesn't mean that person is insane but they have mental health issues. What's the motivation, what's going on. And increasingly things like this. We think of rational. A rational thinking with an end cause. It's not clear yet. 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