Before stopping by a campaign volunteer event. She was asked about Donald Trumps lies about haitian immigrants in the springfield, ohio killing, Stealing And Eating the pets of residence and heres what she said. I know that people are deeply troubled by what is happening to that community in springfield, ohio, and it has got to stop, and we have got to say that you cannot be interested with standing behind the seal of the president of the united states of america engaging in that hateful rhetoric. Its a crying shame, literally. What is happening to those families, those children in that community, not to mention what is happening in terms of look, you say you care about law enforcement. Law enforcement resources, being put into this because of these serious threats that are being issued. I mean, my heart breaks for this community. The whole Community Put in fear. The Trump Campaign released a Statement Today saying harris comments about the crying shame they quote, continue to stoke the flames of violence against President Trump just two days after an Assassination Attempt against him. Vice president harris did say she also spoke to former President Trump after the incident on sunday. I checked on him to see if it was okay and i told him what i have said publicly. There is no place for political violence in our country. I am in this election in this race for many reasons, including to fight for our democracy and in a democracy there is no place for political violence. We can and should have healthy debates and discussion and disagreements, but not resort to violence to resolve those issues. With that, lets get smarter with the help of our Leadoff Panel tonight. Hans nichols joins us and mark leibovitz, who currently has an extraordinary Cover Story so mark, lets start with you. On one hand, you have politicians making up lies to demonize legal immigrants and on the other, they are calling someone a threat to democracy after they tried to steal an election. Are these really equivalent things . I mean, no, not at all. Its an absurd story. Its also absurd to say that because you say something about Donald Trump and Jd Vance which is completely consistent with the rhetoric, you are inciting potentially deadly threats. Obviously no one likes to see this. It is a terrible situation. It is a scary situation but i mean, look, what is amazing about this is this happened less than two days ago and we have already ratcheted up into a fundraising appeal, a back and forth. Its already alleviated the illusion of a pause in any normal political hostilities. It is kind of a folly at this point so i think it has just become this disturbing Background Music to what has become a very long and obviously exhausting campaign. Even by our banana standards, it has been a crazy 48 hours. What sticks out to you the most . The phrase that mark just used, normal political hostilities because that is not what we are in. There hasnt just been lost 48 hours, its really been the entire election and i dont know when it ends but there is clearly an escalation and i dont know if any of us really know in the Press Court unless we are clairvoyant, where this is going to go but it is not going to go to, i suspect, very happy or sane place and what is most interesting to me about this way this story has unfolded in the last few days is the extent to which the Trump Campaign is doubling down on these charges and i would you are always trying to figure out what campaigns are doing, what theyre thinking behind the scenes based on the public pronouncements, but there is a theory out there that every day the Trump Campaign talks about immigration and has that be the focus, that is the day they [ inaudible ] and i dont know if i am entirely convinced of that when you talk to sources around town but they want to keep the focus on there, and to mark and me, it might be puzzling but i think something is going on therefore they think this might be advantageous to them and i cant quite figure it out but maybe we should do more reporting on it. Lets bring in erin haynes, editor at large and msnbc contributor. Aaron, you have been covering the Harris Campaign from the beginning. Oh, we just lost our signal. Boys, im stuck with you. I want to listen to Vice President harris answer on the economy earlier today because you know no matter what day of the week it is, i want to talk about money. Four years ago when we came in, we came in during the worst unemployment since the great depression. We came in during the worst public Health Epidemic in centuries. We had done a lot of work to do to clean up a mess. As of today, we have created over 16 Million new jobs, over 800,000 new manufacturing jobs. We have the lowest black Unemployment Rate in generations. We have invested in small businesses. All those things are true, and tomorrow, the Federal Reserve is expected to cut rates. Hans, you are giving me the not so much true. [ inaudible ] unemployment was trending down when they came in. It haD Come off the Covid Peak and biden in particular always talks about Inflation Being that it came in at 9 . It is not true. Harris said there. She said that the past but go ahead. I didnt mean to interrupt, sorry. Its not a great argument that democrats make that when Joe Biden took Office Unemployment was at the super high level because the Reason Unemployment was so high is because the country was shut down because of covid. However, even before covid, Unemployment And Productivity under Donald Trump are essentially the same as they were under president obama, so we will just level set there but lets talk about the Presentation Vp Harris is putting forward. Is she now making this picture of what she is offering, what the future is going to be is capitalism for all, or capitalism for the little guy . Is that what her pitch is in do you think its going to land . Yes, opportunity is The Word she keeps using an opportunity for all. She is clearly committed to it. What is interesting about the way harris talks about the economy is that it is always in the future test tents. In her political ads she is talking about how they knew to do more to get costs down and make groceries more affordable. Its all on the Cost Side of the equation. On the better side of the at biden administration, they were always asking credit for how hot and great the economy was in it is true that unemployment is at historic lows and stayed at historic lows for 33, 34 months, but there was not meeting voters where they are and what you are seeing from harris is sort of nodding at voters with their struggling, that high prices have affected them in that she has a plan to remedy it, and that his small Business Tax credits, money for firsttime homebuyers, or Child Tax credits. She has laid out her economic plan at this point. It involves a lot of tax breaks. Perhaps she is doing that because she listened to the criticisms of how biden now makes was not landing with the american people. She has pivoted and moved forward and if were talking about looking to cut costs for the american people lets talk about Donald Trump because literally today Donald Trump came out in public and said your Car Insurance is up 73 and im going to cut that number in half. My question is who is hearing that insane ride on. Is he running to be ceo of geico . I want to know how statements like that align with the idea that he is good for everyday peoples economic woes. The short answer is they dont. In any real world looking at this, as you mentioned, if he were to run for ceo of geico he might have more direct real World Effect on this. The fact is we are talking about economic messaging here and i hate to use such a Crass Political prism through which we can look at this but obviously the message about whatever the economy was improving and biden if it was and i think it was. There are a lot of indicators, but it was not landing. Joe biden was not seen as, i think, and effective messenger for that, and harris, i think, as hans said, is trying to be future looking. I think what she is also doing his rather than getting into the minutia of the numbers, she is trying to draw a contrast between what things felt like in america in 2020. September of 2020 was a very bleak period in america. Unemployment was trending down or what have you at that point and what have you. She does want to try to reclaim a trajectory saying we are trying to propel this thing forward. We are at a much better place than we were at The End of the pandemic. We have fled the country out of the pandemic in the future is going to be brighter from here so that is one way she is trying to differentiate herself from the Biden Record she is part of. In that same vein, today Donald Trump said his brain back the state and local Tax Deduction and he is saying that the day before he gives a speech in Long Island for rich people in places like New York and new Jersey Care a lot about it but of course Donald Trump is the person who put assault a cap on the Tax Exemption when he was president. Donald trump has completely flipflopped on s. A. L. T. You just mentioned you can only have 10,000 Dollars Of State and local taxes deducted from your returns. It hit. Blue states particularly hard. The number of republicans on the Senate Side that talked about it, it was basically pitting different states against Each Other, punishing Blue States for their high taxes, they loved it. It was republican orthodoxy and on a dime this afternoon, Donald Trump just at the equivalent of saying just kidding, and this is not a minor tax issue. You tease this out over 10 years, it is 1. 2 trillion is what it will cost if you do what trump wants to do and so you know, big picture, taking a step back and all the fiscal policies of both candidates but especially trump, there is a Tax Cut in every pot he is offering. Its Christmas Morning here for him and its just everyday consistently he comes up with new Tax Cuts that he is promising with no realistic way to pay for it and take a look at the graphic in the Wall Street Journal. There is an excellent breakdown of how much everything is going to cost. At a certain point, Bond Markets are going to revolt and they are not going to like debt to Gdp Ratios this country has not seen in peacetime. You know how to win me over with debt to Gdp Ratios after 11 00 at night. All right, mark. We should mention with all those Tax Cuts Donald Trump is offering there is one giant Tax Height and that is called Blanket Terrace because what they will do is make almost everything you buy cost more but before we go, i want to talk about the story that you wrote, trumps 2016 takeover of the republican party in the atlantic this month. Did you realize anything about our current moment when you look back at the reporting you did in 2016 . What is striking to me is that Donald Trump called this. I had not really looked at these notes that he took in the interview is seven, eight, nine years old and what was amazing is he just said im going to roll these people on by these people he met the republican party, the putative leaders of the party that is supposedly standing in my way and im going to be the steward of conservative fiscal policy and so forth. He basically said look, they might be speaking badly about me now but theyre just going to roll over and im going to bend them to my will and that is exactly what happened so i Guess What i was struck by looking back over these years, the degree to which he called it, the degree to which you know that this party would be wrapped around his finger. If Donald Trump has one skillet is an ability to find weakness and people and raise it and rebuild it in his image which is exactly what he is done with the republicans. So funny you say that. His skill is to find the weakness and people and exploit it. The one place he did not do that was on the Debate Stage last week so he had to change the narrative and push a made up story about animals in springfield. Mark, thank you for joining us. Hans, you can talk debt to Gdp Ratio to me all night long but for now weve got to take a break. 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Politico reporting that while many democrats help hope to flip the house, others fear that may not happen and are very concerned that speaker Mike Johnson who essentially let House Republicans in asking the Supreme Court to overturn the 2020 election would now be in a position to obstruct the next one. The more i want to bring in two experts, former of the founder of the democratic Action Packet and [ inaudible ] politico says Mike Johnson is dismissing these concerns saying democrats are lying to raise money to upset the house. I think Mike Johnson has proven to be a lapdog of Donald Trump and hes going to try everything if he has the power again to do it. He will try everything to overturn the election and if it does not go trumps way, that is what i think and this is why the down Ballot Races are so important, because we only need four seats. Democrats only need four seats to flip the house so we have to think about that. Republicans who were close to johnson say no, hes not trumps lapdog. They cite the example that he supports ukraine. Donald trump doesnt. Thats the evidence that he doesnt just follow trump. What do you think . I think it pays to be paranoid when everybody is out to get you so if i were the democrats i would be prepared, too. They made some really big rules changes with the electoral count format. While we were all sleeping, the grownups Got Together and probably mitch Mcconnells Hideaway Office and both parties set all right, weve got to patch the software here because we are working on 1898 rules for it was all well your honor bound. Now we are in the Trump Era so some of the glue is not there anymore. Johnson does have a history of monkeying around with some very dubious arguments last time but i think the bulwarks are there. I think the democrats are half worried about this, appropriately, and nobody in politics you know, 50 days before an election passes up a direct Fundraising Opportunity so i think everybody is kind of right about Each Other. Jd vance and Donald Trump have made clear they dont care in terms of springfield, ohio if its an outright lie in terms of the Stealing And Eating of animals. They want immigration to be the focus so is there an opportunity for democrats here to point out the dangerous, baseless vile lies that they are pushing about springfield and at the same time saying that Guess What, springfield, like lots of other communities, has welcomed lots of immigrants legally and they are at a capacity problem. Lets talk about how we can solve that. Is there a way for democrats right now to point out the horrible behavior on trump and Vances Part but actually say there is an issue and let start to solve it because trump is doing neither. Yes and i think there is a way for democrats to do that and they have to do that because immigration is on peoples minds. At the same time, what Jd Vance has done in lying about his own constituents, hurting the people of his own state, i mean this man does not even deserve to be a u. S. Senator when you do that and i think its really important for democrats to call that out and to make sure the american peoples know these folks were here legally. They are hardworking people who are coming here to fill jobs that needed to be filled. Springfield, ohio is only about an hour and a half from where i live and now we have people having Bomb Threats because of Jd Vance, because of Donald Trump. Schools in his district are closed down because of him but despite all the things that he said in the chaos he caused, here is what he said today when he was talking about attempts to assassinate the former president. Again, two Assassination Attempts in as many months, and i think that it is time to say to the democrats to the media, to everybody that has been attacking this man and trying to censor this man for going on 10 years, cut it out or youre going to get somebody killed. You know, ive been in politics about four decades and this guy amazes me and i thought i had seen it all. I personally know about it because in 2017 Jd Vance called me up and asked me about running a campaign for u. S. Senate as an antitrump republican. Yeah. He called you on the phone in 2017 . Weve got to do something about this Trump