You can see those at msnbc. Com/summit. Have a great weekend. The reidout with joy reid starts now. Tonight on the reidout so we have a very good relationship. And i also have a very good relationship, as you know, with president putin. And i think if we win, i think we're going to get it resolved very quickly. I really think we're more good relations. Yeah. But you know, it takes two to tango. Blink if you need help, president zelenskyy. A disgraceful spectacle in new york today as donald trump can barely hide his contempt for volodymyr zelenskyy who is fighting for his country's existence, while trump was complaining about impeachment and lying about poll numbers. Also, natasha joins me tonight. She accused donald trump of sexually assaulting her while she was writing a story about him, and she's calling bs on his claim to be a protector of women. She says he's not a protector. He's a predator. And we begin tonight with just 39 days to go until election day, with early and absentee voting already under way in some states. While kamala harris and tim walz are barn storming the country talking about what they call an opportunity economy and making things more affordable for americans including housing, food, and starting a business, donald trump has forced another issue into the center of the campaign, with a lot of hem from rightwing media including fox. His running mate's admitted lies, the internet and social media, and conspiracy theories cooked up by literal white supremacists. A issue is immigration. Donald trump knows he can't win the election based on the crappy job he did as president or his frankly crazy ideas for another administration like spiking the cost of everything we buy through tariffs. So instead, he's going with fear of immigrants. Ironically, immigration is how modern america was built, both during and after slavery, someone had to replace all that free labor, and immigrants fit the bill. Most of us here today, unless you're indigenous american, come from a family of immigrants. And yet, there's always been resistance by the old immigrants to the new people. There was the knownothing party of the 1850s. The america first nazi curious movement in the 1930s, and now we have donald trump. Who has decided to make fearmongering about immigration the center of his entire campaign. With fascistic rhetoric like promising the largest mass deportation operation in history and promising it would be a bloody story. Spreading racist lies about immigrants eating people's pets, and even talking about giving immigrants serial numbers, nazi style. At this point, his entire plan is trying to scare people into voting for him. Despite two of his three wives being immigrants. And just to remind you, as we talk about this, border crossings are actually down, to the lowest levels in four years. Violent crimes also way down across the country. And everything you hear on right wing media to suggest otherwise is a lie. There is no migrant crime wave. Immigrants actually commit fewer crimes than people born in the u. S. They also don't eat pets. But the facts don't matter to trump. Instead, he just keeps ramping up the rhetoric more and more every day. Here's what he said today, at what was supposed to be a speech about the economy in michigan. These are killers. These are people at the highest level of killing. They cut your throat, and they won't even think about it the next morning. A lot of gang members, they take their gff the street, like in caracas, venezuela, the criminals have all been brought to the united states. She let our american sons and daughters be raped and murdered at the hands of vicious monsters. She let american communities be conquered. They're conquering your communities. We have to get them the hell out of our country because they are ruining the fabric of our country. Okay, and then on the other side of this adjudicated sexual assaulter/rapist and 34count felon, on the other side of that ironic dude, you have vice president kamala harris, the daughter of two immigrants. Right now, she's in the swing state of arizona visiting the southern border for the first time since she became the democratic nominee. Harris met with border patrol agents and will receive a briefing on efforts to curb the flow of fentanyl. You know, presidential stuff. Compare that to donald trump's super awkward meeting with ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy earlier today. Later this hour, the vp will also speak on immigration where she'll likely highlight her record prosecuting transnational gangs and drug traffickers. She's also expected to go after trump for killing the bipartisan border bill earlier this year because he wanted to run on the issue. Despite all this, a majority of voters say they trust trump more when it comes to dealing with the border. A man who doesn't know the difference between political asylum and an insane asylum and his plans to deport every immigrant would send our economy into a freefall. Because fear, whether real or irrational, can be a effective political tactic. The question now for america is have we gotten to the point where we would destroy our own economy and walk willingly into a hitlerian dictatorship because of the fear donald trump and his maga cronies are perpetuating solely for their own political benefit. Joining me now is olivia troye, a member of republicans for harris, who previously served as the homeland security and counterterrorism adviser to former vice president mike pence. And ray suarez, host of the podcast, on shifting ground, an author of we are home, becoming american in the 21st century, an oral history. An apt book, ray suarez. I am going to start with you because this is the irony of all of this, is that this is a country that wouldn't exist in its present form without immigrants. It certainly wouldn't without slavery, but set aside slavery. After that, when the slaves were free, they still needed workers so they went all over the world and attracted people here literally to work because workers are what built the economy and the country, and yet each new group of immigrants says we don't want those new people. We don't want them. You're even seeing that, mr. Suarez, among some latinos who also want to shut the border and kick people out and even mass deport them. Why is that? you know, critically, joy, part of this story is that the first century plus of immigration was almost solely from europe. And then, as american law changed in the 20th century, people started to come here from more places in the world. So that created a bifurcated, stratified immigrant population in this country where most of the new people are nonwhite, and most of the people with pictures of their grandparents and great grandparents, sepia toned photographs lovingly kept on mantelpieces, those people are almost exclusively european. That sets up a difficult social change for us now, as the new folks, 9 out of 10 sending countries of people born in another place in the world, are sending nonwhite immigrants to the united states. That's a really important part of understanding the unease we're having about this right now. Yeah, i mean, olivia, during the trump administration, when you were working in the administration, jeff sessions when he was attorney general, he is an open supporter of the 1927, i believe, immigration act, which was essentially the goal of it was to shut down immigration from everywhere but europe, to say we don't even want southern europeans, they didn't want italians, asians, africans, the idea was to whiten immigration. It was reagan that did the opposite. 3 million people given open amnesty by ronald reagan. Those people were largely nonwhite, largely mexican migrants. So how do you square a party where ronald reagan did amnesty, where george herbert walker bush was very open about saying we welcome immigration. We want immigrants, and where george w. Bush said the same and even made positive noises about muslim and arab immigration, to this. Well, i think the fact of the matter is that republican party of the past is gone, joy. I mean, that's the bottom line. What it is today is a complete fearmongering antiimmigrant sentiment. You mentioned jeff sessions. That brought back a lot of memories of the immigration meetings i was in. I spent all four years of the trump administration working the immigration portfolio where we could spend hours talking about the things where witnessed and said. It wasn't just jeff sessions. Remember, stephen miller was a big proponent of all these things. When i hear donald trump speaking, the way he has in the last couple weeks, he sounds like stephen miller did in actual immigration policy meetings at the very highest levels. I'm talking about cabinet meetings where traditionally you would not hear this type of language being spoken, but this is how he would speak. He would talk in this manner and engage fear because that's all he had, and he would push these extreme policies. I think when we're looking at this and the republican party of today under donald trump, which breaks my heart, right, as a lifelong republican, and as a daughter of a mexican immigrant, who believed in the republican party of the past, watching what is happening here is so just detrimental to who we are as a country and it's also dangerous as we're seeing with the threats throughout the country when they push these messages out. And the reality is, ray, that you know, there was an attempt by republicans, so a lot of this is an internal republican struggle because democrats have always been for immigration reform and been like, we're ready whenever you are. We will easily pass it. Republicans got together and negotiated a very, very conservative border patrol bill, a bill that would have largely closed the border. It was going to pass. Let me let you listen to what republicans say happened to that bill. So everybody who comes on this floor and says our border is broken, we should do something about it, you're absolutely right. And unfortunately, we didn't get there. President trump opposed the senate bill. And then our nominee for president didn't seem to want us to do anything at all. After president trump said don't fix anything during the presidential election, the single biggest issue during the election, don't resolve it, we'll resolve it next year, quite a few colleagues backed up and looked for a reason to shoot against it and walked away. The fact he would communicate to republican senators and congresspeople that he doesn't want us to solve the border problem because he wants to blame biden for it is really appalling. And so, if people are so exercised on the republican side, it's really republicans who are mostly exercised about this, ray, then why aren't they blaming donald trump for not having a border bill? well, they're implicitly blaming him. You just heard, after all, the leader of republicans in the senate acknowledge the former president's opposition to the bill. But i mean voters. I'm so sorry, i mean voters. Even senator langford from oklahoma, one of the most conservative members of the united states senate, was pretty mild in his assessment. He admitted that was what happened. Donald trump threw a monkey wrench in the gears. And that's just what happened. And life was supposed to move on. It's really something. Yeah, i mean, and olivia, it is sort of it's hard, i think, for people who probably watch this show and watch msnbc to understand why voters look at donald trump and they look at the failures and they also look at the successes. Illegal border crossings fell in july, at the lowest level in four years. That's just a fact. So the reality that people are seeing on fox, this idea that immigrants are running through the country murdering people, it's just not true. Let me play one more thing we also see happening. This is the idea that immigration is somehow tied to people's lives even if they're not in a border place. Alex wagner did she talked to union members in michigan. Let me let you listen to what some of them said. There are thousands and thousands of illegal immigrants coming across the border every day. And the vice president has done minimal work to fix that. Based on what i have seen. So i would like that to change. Do you feel like donald trum issue. Based on what we have seen on his first four years i do believe he will be better on that. Are you leaning toward trump right now? yes, ma'am. Is there anything vice president harris could do at this point to change your mind? not particularly, no. Unless she changes her stance completely on fixing the border. That's, no. Olivia, based on what we have seen in his first four years i do believe he'll be better on that. Based on what? the only things we saw in terms of immigration is you talked about with stephen miller, were taking babies out of the hands of their moms at the border and separating them and sending them off in two different directions and losing track of them. You saw a lot of cruelty, a lot of talk about shole countries. He didn't build a wall. Andr crossings are lower now than they were then. What are people seeing? what reality are they living in? well, therein lies the problem. The fearmongering and all these narratives work when the right wing media machine is coming together and pushing that and that's all they're seeing. This is a product of disinformation that they're continuing to push. Devoid of policy or facts. Because when donald trump gets up there and gives thee speeches, all he does is spread this divisive hateful rhetoric, but he's not actually telling you what he's going to do to solve the border crisis. He's not talking about international asylum cooperation agreements. He's not talking about actual foreign policy that could, you know, decrease migration. He's not talking about, like, oh, perhaps funding law enforcement on the border which is was kamala harris is doing, saying i will support that bipartisan bill, i will fund border security, i will support cbp at the border. This is what i want to do. I'm going to slow fentanyl issues. She's talking concrete policies, but the problem is i think it's easier to sell a narrative on a very complicated issue like immigration by stoking fear and instilling that in communities and getting people to be divided. I think that's what you're seeing there, what he says is resonating in communities. Now the problem with that is that what is donald trump's immigration proposal actually look like in the future? it's going to look like encampments. What is it going to look like when they're putting people in encampments on the borders or in these cities. What it going to look like when they're targeting anyone who looks like a minority in general and taking these kids out of school and corralling them. What is it going to look like when they're going after legal residents because denatura