We love you, ali. Can i just say, ali is looking good. The suit, he has got brunch money. Just for the job you want, michael. [ laughter ] you guys have a great afternoon. Velshi starts now. Good morning, it is saturday, october 5th, 31 days until election day. With both underway in several states and both campaigns ramping up their efforts as we enter this final highstakes push until november 5th. Vice president Kamala Harris expected to travel to North Carolina Today to survey the damage caused by hurricane helene, while Donald Trump, alongside the Tech Billionaire Elon musk will be in butler, pennsylvania, returning to the site for the first time since the Assassination Attempt against him in july. Meanwhile, Senator Bernie Sanders and the United Auto Workers Shawn Fain are Rallying Union members this morning. We will be talking with Shawn Fain later in the show. The month before election day, the states could not be higher. Republican plans from project 2045 and agenda 47 to drastically alter the structure of the federal government and reshape the levers of power around the man who tried to overturn the last election, and who has pledged retribution against his political enemies present a clear and present danger. For Donald Trump, this week was a stark reminder that, though he has been granted Aid And Reprieve again and again, he has not yet fully escaped legal accountability. Special Counsel Jack smiths latest Court Filing is a dual purpose at this point in the Election Cycle and signals what is at stake for trump himself, a sign that his legal troubles are not over. For the rest of us, it is a flashing red light, warning us of what Donald Trump and his acolytes are capable of in the face of electoral defeat. Judge Tonya Chuck and unsealed the filing wednesday, revealing the most comprehensive picture yet of trumps desperate attempts to cling to power at all costs after he lost the last election. One of the most damning revelations is trumps alleged response after learning that his Vice President s safety was at risk at the capitol, he said, so what. Jack smith uses this incident in much of the evidence he presents to make the case that trump was not acting in his official capacity when he schemed to overturn the Election Results in 2020. A President Acting in his official capacity would presumably care about the safety of his Vice President. But put a oin in that and we will return to it in a moment. Less than 24 hours after the release of this damning motion, Liz Cheney, daughter of conservative icon dick cheney, joined Vice President Kamala Harris at a Campaign Rally thursday in ribbing, wisconsin, the birthplace of the republican party. This unlikely duo warned of the threat Donald Trump proposes to democracy should he return to power. I know the most conservative of conservative values is fidelity to our constitution. I tell you, i have never voted for a democrat, but this year, i am proudly casting my vote for Vice President Kamala Harris. What January 6th shows us is that there is not an ounce, not an ounce of compassion in Donald Trump. He is petty, he is vindictive, and he is cruel. And Donald Trump is not fit to lead this good and great nation. That same day, Donald Trump was in saginaw, michigan, where he continued to peddle lies about the 2020 election, along with his almost daily here mongering of immigrants. What is new in Jack Smiths latest filing . Smiths latest account of January 5th provides striking new details about Trumps State of mind in the lead up to January 6th. It counts widely criticized the ruling in july, which vastly expanded president ial immunity. Smith is pulling out all the stops this time to convince the courts that the case against trump should proceed, despite the conservative led Supreme Courts new immunity test. Jack smiths main goal is to show that trumps actions, as he tried to overturn the Election Results, or the actions of a private person, not those of a president , carrying out official duties. Importantly, draws a critical distinction between whether trump was acting as president or as a political candidate. The Motion Points to new testimony from a secret Service Agent who said, trumps Security Detail January 6th quote, was not getting information about the rally from their counterparts at the White House staff, because this was not a staffdriven event, this was a campaign driven event, end quote. The practice of excluding official White House advisors and relying instead on private or campaign lawyers when pressuring Mike Pence to overturn the account. According to the filing quote, it is hard to imagine stronger evidence that conduct is private that than when the president exclude his white House Counsel and only wishes to have his private counsel present. The filing also presents communication, showing that trump knew he had lost the election, and yet, continued spreading lies about Election Subversion. Among the most damning evidence used to show trump had no intention of respecting the Election Outcome is a white House Staffer who overtook her trump telling family members, quote, does not matter if you won or lost the election, you still have to fight like hell. One of the most talked shocking revelations describes an incident involving a batch of votes that heavily centered around joe biden. A Trump Campaign Employee urged him to find a reason, to dispute the legitimacy of those votes. When a colleague warned that it could trigger civil unrest in the Trump Employee responded with, make them right. Lets zoom out for a second. By now, we all have fatigue from keeping up with trumps many indictments, is when hearings and cases. We are fatigued from his nonstop fear mongering, fatigue from a republican Party Bent on dividing this nation. This latest unsealed ocean may not register much after all we have been enduring the past year, but its gravity should not be understated. This is an historic document. Jack smith take particular care in the latest filing to sort out official acts from unofficial acts, making the Capital Case that Election Subversion is not a Core Function of the Executive Branch or a presidency. It is simply legal jargon for, trump knew he was peddling a lot and manipulating his base as pawns in a larger scheme to overturn the Election Results. He knew he was risking the safety of his Vice President January 6 when he tweeted that paint like courage for refusing to participate in his game. He knew what he was doing for weeks when he egged on his supporters to gather at the capitol, despite being told repeatedly by advisors, attorneys, and they told officials that there was no proof of election fraud. Trump knew he lost. He simply didnt care. Plotting to overturn Election Results, according to smith, cannot reasonably be considered an official act of the executive office. Surely, that is not what framers had in mind when they created the office of the presidency. At its core,s indictment seeks to present that trump is not above the law, no president should be, or as puts it, trump must stand trial for his private crimes, as with any other citizen. His trial will likely not see the light of day, if trump is reelected, or if it reaches the same Supreme Court that gutted smiths previous indictment. The conduct laid out in this motion could easily be ripped from todays headlines. Smiths latest filing is not just about a specific moment in time. It is a glimpse, a warning of what is to come. Trump has shown no signs of abandoning his Big Lie about the 2020 election, and sewing the same chaos of the upcoming election. His catalog sort our democracy, democratic institution, and americans endangered by his words, including his own followers, remains essentially, so what . And that is why Jack Smiths dogged pursuit of justice against an unrepentant demagogue will go down in history as one of the greatest differences of our democracy. But we are all a part of this historic effort. And as americans cast their votes over the next few weeks we will all be participating in the largest and most critical effort yet to safeguard our democracy from the existential threat that is Donald Trump. For more on this, i am joined by jennifer rubin, an msnbc political Analyst And Opinion writer at the washington post. She is the host of greenroom podcast, the author of resistance, how women think democracy from Donald Trump. Joining her is michael stoneman. He is a fellow at Stanford Laws Constitution Law Center and coauthor of how to spill a president ial election. Good morning to both of you for being here. Matthew, j. D. Vance has repeatedly stated, had he been Vice President January 6th, he would have intervened in the electoral count. In your latest New York Times piece, you say, his insistence is basically a promise about what he might do on January 6, 2025 if he is presiding over the account as Vice President. Tell me what this says about j. D. Vance and his fitness for office in the shadow of Donald Trump and the discussion about his fitness for office. I think it is completely disqualifying for j. D. Vance to promise to abuse the constitutional powers of the office he is asking the american people to give him, to elect him to. He said on january 26 2021, he would have taken extraconstitutional steps to ensure that Donald Trump returned to the White House. Donald trump will be term limited, notwithstanding his sometimes flirtations with suggesting he serve a third term. That is constitutionally forbidden. The republican nominee in 2028 is presumptively j. D. Vance. J. D. Vance is elected to the Vice Presidency this year, he will preside over the electoral count January 6th 2029. He is telling us today, you will abuse those powers to ensure that he is in to the presidency from the Vice Presidency. There is no more blatant assault on the rule of Law And Democracy in america than that. Jennifer, given these latest revelations, do you see any sense of a growing willingness among moderate republicans to reject Donald Trump with voices like Liz Cheney endorsing president harris, more and more of the people saying, this is just a fitness issue, not a policy or ideological issue . I would hope so. I do think that the indictment and revised indictment, and the brief really put a lot of on the bones. We thought we had a lot of information from the january, but it is as if January 6 to put the skeleton, and this is the hair, the entire body on the crime. I would hope it acts as a wake up call. Frankly, it may be Liz Cheney that finally pushes republicans to say, you know what, it is not good enough to sit on the sidelines, it is not good enough to say, i am not going to vote for either one of them. This guy is an existential threat to american democracy. Look at what he did. Look at his behavior. If you really care about democracy, you only have one choice. I thought it was magnificent and compelling. The fact that it came a day after Jack Smith released his brief, i thought was sort of a onetwo punch. If republicans want to throw the constitution out the window, find, then they can vote to trump. Dont tell yourself that you love the constitution, you love the rule of Law And Vote for anyone other than Kamala Harris. Matt, special Counsel Jack smith relies on previous cases to create a workable definition of president ial immunity, because the Supreme Court did not provide one it self. What you think of this approach . On one level, most people with a third Grade Education would say, what the Supreme Court that it is unworkable and does not make sense. Jack smith has to work within the confines of what they did. Do you think what he has done will hold up at the Supreme Court . You ultimately, i think it will that is one of the tragedies unfolding with this legal case. We know from the outside, from january 2021, this was a plot by a political candidate to try to gain an office he had no legal right to. He executed that plot through private lawyers, not using the levers of power of government. It was obvious all along that this was predominantly, if not exclusively on official conduct that was used to meet this criminal conspiracy. Now, years later, we are presented with a legal brief that eckstein explains exceptional Detail Action always how that plot was executed, using only private conduct. What has happened here is we see, in a way, the relevancy being revealed to the Supreme Court. We went to the Supreme Court, in delayed the case almost a year, just to show us what we already knew, which is that this conduct is not immune because it is not president ial conduct. Things to both of you. I appreciate your Analysis And Opinion on this. The author of resistance, how women save democracy from Donald Trump. Coauthor of how to steal a president ial election. Still to come, Donald Trump, date j. D. Vance, and antiabortion rights are getting more creative with the lies they tell. We will explain what they really mean when they say, we would not support a federal Abortion Ban. 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I said, i think he has got that one wrong. Isnt that what you are supposed to hit . It is the biggest risk we have, nuclear weapons, the power of nuclear weapons, the power of weaponry. I rebuilt the entire military, jets, including nuclear. I hated to build the nuclear, but i got to know firsthand the power of that stuff. When they asked him that question, the answer should have been, hit the nuclear first, worry about the rest later. A lot of nonsense in there. Coming up, we will talk with Matt Bradley in beirut or the latest on the actual situation in a minute. We will recall the latest abortion lies being called by Donald Trump and j. D. Vance. Vance. So i use nervive. Nervives clinical dose of ala reduces Nerve Discomfort in as little as seven days. Now i can help again feel the difference with nervive. My name is brayden. I was five years old when i came to st. Jude. Ill try and shorten down the story. So ive been having these headaches that wouldnt go away. 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