Oppression of Palestinian People, and the only way, this can move forward, the only way to achieve progress is to bring the fight to the occupy forces, through armed resistance, and as i started out saying, theres absolutely no legitimate doubt about the lawful right of palestinians including hamas to do, to do just that, and equally, theres really no uh legitimate controversy asserting that the occupation nevertheless maintains its has to maintain its obligations to the occupied people. Okay, thats our time for this segment. Thanks lot, political analyst barry grossem joining us from bal the israeli war planes continue uh their onslot on the besige gaza strip uh for the sixth consecutive day, of course were going to keep a close eye on all the latest developments right here on press tv, were going to. Return to the normal course of programming for now, but well be back with our coverage soon. The blow to israel from Operation Lost the flood is so. That irans leader has said it is irreparable in this edition of the spotlight we will look at how deep a blow this is the support by many across the world and solidarity with palestinians and with these are israels last stage of its occupation of Palestinian Lands. First let me introduce our guests for this edition of the program. Sami ramadan joins us, hes an of academic and rider from london. Also joining us is richard medhurst, journalist and commentator from vienna. Gentlemen, welcome to you both. Sami ramadan, let me first start with you. I cant help but start with the uh question that is very hard to ask, and that is the fact that as we speak, israel, im sorry, the gaza strip is being bombed by Israeli Regime forces and uh gazans lives are being lost uh right and left, uh, we just spoke to our correspondent prior to coming on and he said that their bodies that are just being brought in and uh that unfortunately the numbers could be lot higher than what is being reported. I believe were talking about roughly 900, but you know when theres nothing that is available to the palestinians there from the officials to the First Responders to what have you, its hard to tell how many palestinians have died. Um, why why is that part of the story not being um highlighted in in the way that it truly deserves it to be one . Comes to the media, media is is pro israel and has been hiding the facts about the plight of the Palestinian People for the past 75 years, actually, and they would not obviously show the horrors that israel is causing to the Palestinian People, because that will attract Public Opinion, sympathy and support for the. Flight of the palestinians and they stress all the time that israel is really just retaliating and trying to defend itself, and they rarely, rarely mention that gaza and the whole of palestine are occupied territory, and if they stress the word occupation, then obviously under international law, under moral obligations, things will follow from. But once you say that a place is occupied by power by force then obviously there are consequences to that, so they try to show that. There is this little poor israel which is being subjected to constant attacks by the palestinians, as if the palestinians have come from the moon and they are not on their own land, defending their own people, and what israel is doing in gaza at the moment, its quite horrific, they are blowing up with entire buildings, one bomb, one ton bomb would bring down an entire high rise building and they have been deliberately targeting these civilian buildings as well as health institutions, ambulances, all manner of institutions inside gaza, which has been under occupation for decades now, the most of the population of gaza, the media would not report, are really refugees themselves, they were expelled from their. Homeland in 1948 and they were all cramped into gaza, one of the densest populations in the world living gaza, about two and a half million people, for the past 15 years, they have been under strict seige, and yesterday the Israeli Defense minister announced that there theyll be cutting off water, food, electricity under complete siege, and this is. Really completely contrary to international law, because its a form of collective punishment, whoever is attacking them, its nothing to do with the entire civilian population under international law, so they are public and with western support breaking all manner of international laws. Richarders, this needs to be highlighted because it seems like theres a media war out there to change the narrative, and israel has found that uh this is the right opportunity. For it to do that through their long reach that it has to uh different media organizations that it owns that now it can play the victim and it could play that to the max but our guests there mentioned 1948 people need to be reminded that palestinians were driven out of their out of their towns out of their homes uh their homes were destroyed uh they were killed and these types of instances like the 1948 instances and lot of them that have occurred about the decades needs to be highlighted what can you bring the table when it comes to the palestinian, how they have been oppressed and violated . Yeah, the nakaba is, which means translates to catastrophe, that that took place in 1948 that you uh, very eloquently mentioned, is is important because it highlights what israel is, and even back then in postwar britain, the Security Services in england, their number one threat um, was was actually . From coming from these zionist groups were you know sending lettro bombs and planting bombs in london and killing uh jews who were antizionist or arabs, palestinians were living palestine or british officers and everything that they accused hamas of doing, they they did, continue to do, and on a you know an exorbitant uh um scale, so i i i find it so hypocritical that they want you to think that israel is a. And when actually since day one of of the the founding of israel, they they have made sure that anyone who is not a European Jewish settler uh is going to be treated like not even secondclass citizen a noncitizen they and they want people to to be grateful for that you know they were throwing a party this rave that they were they were um having outside the uh the fence uh where where when the aluxa flood operation began they were trying to use it as some kind of uh tool to make people feel sorry for them, and is that it actually just, its such an indictment of the israelies, because it makes you wonder why were they having rave, why were they having a Party Outside uh, the the ghaza strip, which is essentially a ghetto, its its its an open air prison, whichever term you want to employ, that at the end of the day theyve put 2. 1 million people, half of them are children, in in in this tiny tiny patch of land. They cant go out from the from, they cant leave from by land, they cant leave by sea, and then they want the palestinians to be greatful that theyre the israelis give them their own water and their own food, and of course they never give them enough, even before they just uh tighten the siege, uh, they the israelis calculated exactly how many calories palestinians would need to just barely survive and then gave them even less than that, and this is something that uh, you know, is is is uh exactly actually what the the nazis did um the backy who is the food minister he came up with Something Like this called the hunger plant to starve soviet prisoners so you see these similar policies being enacted um and it it really shows you that uh the media is completely twisted and upside down i its so so disgusting and revolting every single time uh the israelis launch an operation like this where theyre pounding ghaza uh you know they they go into the media and and make anyone whos palestinian or even remotely sympathetic to the palestinian calls uh you know they put them on the defensive do you condone hamass actions why want you condem hamas no one is interested in hamas actions were interested in critic. Israel, because israel is the one with Nuclear Weapons that receives billions of dollars of military aid, israel is the one that has had the upper hand, if they wanted to make peace, they could have done it a long time ago, and they they refuse to do this. Israel does not care about twostate solution, israel is there as a colony and it behaves as a colony, and uh, this is a process of decolonization that were seeing, pure and simple. Sure, well, samadani irans leader has spoken on this occasion and all ears were tuned into that, and he said that israele regime has suffered irreparable failure in terms of military and intelligence, he said that everybody has talked about israels failure, but im underlining how it is irreparable, how much of a hit and blow is this to israel in terms of what it has received, as irans leader has called a blow, im sorry, a failure, thats irreparable, and how will it be proceeding from this point on, once and if this, im sure once this operation is over, i think what has happened. Is truly historic, because for the first time palestinians on their own engaged the might of the Israeli Armed forces and managed to succeed, they not only broke out of the great prison, the big prison there in, they started and defeated um their jailers, the occupiers surrounding this big jail um and this is quite historic because it has never happened before, simple as that, and the socalled might of the Israeli Armed forces was shown for what it is, that few hundred fighters, determined fighters fighting on their own land, trying to liberate their own land, could face up to the Israeli Armed forces, could face up to the socalled fourth Strongest Army in the world, could face up to this Nuclear Power, the only Nuclear Power in the middle east, and they could actually win battles and they have really and truly inspired the entire Palestinian People, all the peoples of the region and across the world, this is quite a historic event, whatever is going to happen after that, because im sure israel is going to target Palestinian Civilians and try to kill. The maximum number of women, children, elderly people hit Palestinian Health services, Food Supplies and so on, but this will not change the fact that when the battles were on, palestinians managed to break through and to engage the Israeli Armed forces and defeat them, and they have also shown that they are capable of hitting targets across the oc territories, not just near gaza, so really, i i think, i think it is quite a significant and historic event that, and you can see, you can see the worry, that the United States, the protector of israel, the israel is ultimately a massive military base for the United States in the area, and in the United States immediately started, increasing supplies of of armaments as if israel does not have enough us weapons, but the reflection of us worries about their favorite military base in the world, israel could lose in a big way. Yeah, and and whats more alarming is, richard, is the fact that we have um, there you are, i thought we lost a second, is the fact that many said that this is carry. That was sent to the region was to prevent uh the uh i guess conflict or the war to get out of control and for it to maybe engulf the wider region is there as a symbol to stop from that that from happening but uh very worrying uh statement that has come from the turkish president im going to read that to you because its really its crazy what it says it says what business does americas Aircraft Carrier have in israel and uh in so many words im paraphrasing. It says it is going to hit all of gaza, its surroundings, raise them to the ground and commit very serious massacres, and and it asks what is the Aircraft Carrier that is coming here with all its around it and the gents of the aircraft carry going to do, do you think that that is the purpose that the us has and thats the approach maybe that it has uh with sending this Aircraft Carrier . I now were speculating, but just curious. No, i mean um, the Aircraft Carrier is really just a show of force, we we saw the americans do this many times where theyre trying to threaten iran, um, they do the same with their b52 bombers and it it doesnt work, because you know. The the resistance access are fighting asymmetrical uh war and the proof is is right in front of us uh israel has Nuclear Weapons uh you know this supposedly mighty army that that does indeed receive billions and billions of dollars uh in weapons um look how it collapsed like house of cards like paper tiger so the United States is really not able to do anything they what is the Aircraft Carrier going to accomplish i mean if the israelis if they want to uh uh pound gaza and they are already doing it and they dont need an excuse to do it in the first place because we see this every almost almost every single year almost and um we we know that the israelis already have um as as the uh my fellow guest said they already have enough us weapons to to uh contend with so uh i think the United States is is really a bit puzzled here and and as are the israelis because it when this operation began netanyahu was hiding he did not even give a state. Until in the late afternoon, which is insane, uh, you know, when someones uh, a country is supposedly under attack, you would think that they would say something, and they dont, the israelis dont know what to do, so they resort to the only thing that they know, they they are good at, which is killing civilians, you know, playing the tough guy with their f16s against um, uh, you know, a tiny patch of land, the most densely populated area on earth, this is the only thing that they are good at, but when it comes to the new resistance access, they are cowards, uh, they are not able to contend with the uh current form of the resistance axis. Iran, hazballah, hamas, they have, they are not the same as they were 20 years ago, they have become much, much, much better at coordinating together, working together, they have developed extensive defensive programs, and even in 2006, the the israelis, since you mentioned the Aircraft Carrier, the israelis had one of their ships um, totaled, completely totaled by hazballah, and they did not expect that just as they did not expect. Hamas to overpower them in such manner, so uh, the the truth is that uh, you know, the israelis can barely handle hamas, never mind, hazballah, which is already now sort of joining the fight or not trying to escalate, but still helping to stretch the Israeli Forces thin, and i and i dont think any amount of high tech is going to help the israelis, what this comes down to at the end the day is people who are fighting for their land, palestinians who know that this is their land, they are fighting for, you cannot. By this determination, you cant purchase it, you cant you know convince someone of it, its either your land or its not, and and every time a colonizer goes to somebody elses home turf, whether its the americans in vietnam or or britain in in afghanistan, always lose, and the same is true of the israelis, the same is the true true of them, and and they they dont have the same determination as hizballah or as hamas, as syria uh, to to fight for this uh land, because you saw how they were all running away in the airport. They have multiple passports, they can flee, and despite the fact that many of them are in the uh israeli army and they have easy access to weapons, they didnt stay in fight, they ran away. Thats a very good point that you make, id like to expand on that a little bit more if we can. Im just trying to shob in all these questions that i can in this uh 25 minute program. And really one of the things uh that id like to ask you Sami Ramadani is the fact that if you have somebody who commits murder and then goes to court, and then you have an entity in this case. The us uh that has power over the court and says, no, its okay, i support the murderer, he can get away with it. Well, how much of a fault is the us here, and not so much israel when it comes to the fact that israel knows that it can get away with what it has done throughout the years and decades with the support of the us, and therefore it has acted with impunity. Shouldnt the us here be given the same weights, if not even more . For being at fault to what has happened to palestinians . I think you probably raised the most important question on an international scale, and i myself think that the United States is the main culpate here over the decades, because without us financial, military, diplomatic, Political Support, israel could not survive, israel could not implement and such aggressive policies against not just the Palestinian People, the lebanese people, the syrian people, the people of jordan, people of egypt, they sent their assassins, to to kill iranian and iraki scientists and so on, without us and general western backing, i must also add, israel could not dare do any such thing, would not have conquered all these lands using us and western weapons, would not have become a Nuclear Power without western backing and support, so really israel ultimately is accurately described as a us military base, as base for western imperialist powers led by the United States, and without that backing and practical daily support, israel could not survive this period of committing so much aggression, killing so many people, hundreds of thousands of people over the years, i mean even the the events in syria. For the last so many years has been partly caused by israel backing terrorist gangs in in syria, there are there are clear links, israel even established hospitals and the occupied Golan Heights to to treat the terrorists who were murdering and cut throats of people in syria, so wherever you look, the United States has been their main backer. Supporter, well richard metherst, the point that you made towards the end there, is something i like to pick up in this question with you, and that is the fact that even prior to this operation, i lost the flood breaking out, you had those demonstrations that took place a weekly basis because of these socalled judicial overhalls of reforms, at that point there was 20 to 30 based on the stats given out of uh of exodus from uh israel, i mean you had people leaving uh israel, and uh now the there with this happening the people are. Dying as you mentioned to get out of israel, okay . Im not too sure whats going to be left after this is over, what israel is going to govern, uh, but uh, what state that does that put israel uh in when you have uh, whats happened from within, and now that this is happened, because im almost sure that not many are going to want to live in the southern part of israel based on what has occurred, so that kind of puts into question the israels stature in a sense, yeah, i mean it, its astonishing the the. Uh determination um or or as it should perhaps be more correctly called this this political extremism um that you see in israelis that they would move uh you know from ukraine or from from britain and and go all the way uh you know to live on Palestinian Land knowing full well that this is not their native uh land and knowing full well theyre even putting themselves at risk and their families at risk and we saw there was a british family uh that moved from london to the west bank this uh this year and got they got killed by by in a shooting so you know they they go there knowing full well that theyre putting their lives at risk just so they can you know establish a colony and and and uh and maintain a zinus presence and as as my fellow guest said at the end of the day they could not do this without the support the Political Support um the media uh covering for them all time um and and the financial support, the israel wouldnt last a couple of weeks uh, so weve embolden them in britain and and in america because we want to split the arab world geographically, you know like driving a wedge between um north africa and then the levant and and into the gulf and so uh israel has served many purposes for the west, now once because we are in a transitional period right now, we are we are seeing, i would say the second state. The multipolar world and its formation, when the ukraine war began, it served as catalyst in that these sanctions, stealing 300 billion from the russians caused everyone to run the other direction, this is why 40 countries applied to join bricks, iran was one of these successful applicants, the beltian Road Initiative is also taking a shape as iran and iraq have formed railway deal and chinas incorporated syria into a strategic partnership. For access to the mediterranean sea, so you know, as these things come together, now we are seeing that that israel will be uh, perhaps out of the picture, very luckily in the in the next years or or or decades uh, you know, were not going to predict the future, but it looks that that um, this is the second stage of of that formation, because the the imperial out post in the middle east could not stand attack from hamas and you know the. The world is slowly changing its opinion on the israelis, even in the west, Public Opinion is not working so well, which is why they have to flash israeli flags on all the monuments, so i think we are in the second stage of that formation. And the palestinians will retake their land. All right, i got a minute to give to you, ironic uh, sam ramadani, isnt it that you had the israelly Prime Minister just a week or so ago, prior to this happening, standing on the podium of the Un General Assembly with a one of his props with that cardboard uh that eliminated palestine from that map, and now it is facing maybe that. Uh uh destination or that uh destiny that it may be facing, what are we looking at when it comes to this operation afterwards, the aftermath . Less than a minute please, think i think it is really ironic what what netanyahu did, but i repeat what i said earlier that this was a really historic event, the palestinians has established themselves as the force that. Be listend to, its the force that says this is our land, and the Palestinian People will continue to struggle until they achieve freedom and they regain their lost lands, this is this is quite quite event. Thank you so much, aSami Ramadani, academic and writer from london, and richard metters, good to see you, journalist and commentator there from viena, thank you to you both, with that we come to an end for this edition of the spotlight from the team, its goodbye. Israel is pushing ahead with its deadly air strikes and the gaza strip growing concerns about the humanitarian catastrophe in the enflate. Palestinian resistance groups launch more rockets toward israel as the Israeli Death toll from the operational flood rises to 1300. And more propalestinian solidarity marches have been held around the world as israely attacks on the gaza strip continue to claim innocent lies
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