From the military came back and then and they asked the military to come but rescue them from the islamists in this in this country when theres been a lot of political movements like occupy like fifteen and so on a lot of movements a hot huge amount of will behind them had a huge amount of meant. Like the arab spring. Why were these revolutions the only in syria. With the sin in the they were able to see succeed they were in the right and usually answer that and that is because they have a lot of experience of fighting against states in various countries theyre pretty battle hardened and that kind of ideology has been sustained not by. Essentially for for decades and. I dont want to be to contradict it but i think that all due respect they havent been given a chance to build their state to the same extent as lets say the Muslim Brotherhood in egypt has because they have never. Formally came to power sure they can trace in syria but again syria is a war torn country and those conditions are. Not the regular conditions in the beginning of the Syrian Civil War there is a very big Syrian Opposition that was supported by most of the western states qatar saudi arabia a Small Movement it was only if in strip of land in north syria. What happened is the Syrian Government imploded and turkish career crossed over the mountains into syria and they were able to organize the population to get to get them to organize economically to create a Civil Administration to form their own selfdefense committees. That they had like a plan and a vision for the society they said this is what were doing this is how were going to do it and not only that there needs to be the needs to be something that brings people together and so. In. Syria. What they what they have is a sense of historical trajectory a sense of destiny they this able to give people enough give people the will and to bring the population together for instance you can go to any town and city and as im on coaches into the. Economic center media center. Melissa polity many different places and theres people working on different kinds of projects ive been a critic communities and i just had just what youre saying that way let me finish but theres people working on different kinds of projects but this is energy is feeling of solidarity between people because on a single trajectory when you go from somewhere like that to the west you just feel that energy is completely gone and its not because theyre in a war its not because theyre noise because its a belief in a society now in the west where we find ourselves is a nihilist theres a paralysis in the promises in the Society People no longer believe in anything you somehow manage to and. When the or in the north in syria because i know that for many that term is. Controversial term so lets explain our viewers how on earth somebody like you who was most to preoccupy fifty phonology development of bitcoin and it up in Northern Syria fighting against isis is a most somebody whos only just worked on technology to have a long political history. As somebody who is committed to social change and in the end of two thousand and fourteen just by accident i discovered about the struggle of the. Original just dismissed is a communist but the more that i began to read about the ideas for how they wanted to transform the middle east than someone whos familiar with the middle east. Is something really compelling about what they were saying and i found out that they had a revolution in north syria and i didnt know whether it was real or not i didnt know is this thing actually existing or is it just a much much unary but i did see something there was really intriguing and theres a felt drawn to is not something i was i had a choice in the much as felt myself drawn to it and then. That was a moment where isis attacked kabbani looked like it was about to be destroyed and then as someone who could themselves. Here are some people struggling for an accused ideology if i didnt somebody with the skill with the ability to go and help those people in their existential struggle in a moment of need then my whole life id not be a hypocrite mr tact even if you are very motivated and certainly seems like you are it still takes shady a logistics to get to Northern Syria i know that from her personal experience its not easy to travel there you have to make quite a few illegal crossings if you ever get there so what what about it how do you actually and theyre starting from what i believe was london right you were in london at that time i was in spain. Yeah it was it was pretty shady trying to Contact People on facebook. Originally i had one trip planned so i could go there for my birthday but then i had to cancel that trip because i wasnt sure about the people and made arrangements with another group of people. When i got to iraq ago arrested. For they were going to deport me to baghdad so yeah it was it was a very different moment to for foreign to go now nor syria now its a bit more structured been the moment is a chaotic situation everybody was basically going to the front of fight. But it was really worthwhile experience it was there in one near i couldnt have seen ten years else worth now ive seen you being described as an idealist and from my personal experience being on the frontline solves that problem i mean do you become released very very quickly from seeing all the violence and all the bloodshed around you and i think one other transformation that if this happened to me it was that you understand its not about the best of options its all often about choosing the lesser evil as much as you despise the state dont you think that the state is the lesser evil compared to lets say a fascist cult like isis people in the west work jobs their entire lives jobs they know is completely meaningless as no purpose whatsoever some people work ten years on retirement which is to get money which is basically printed by central bank by a small group of financial elite and the way that we structure our society in the west is in the past the people used to be raised with religion with a belief or with a set of values which gave them a guide in life how they lived their life and that was something that brought the society together as a group of people today the type of west the model of civilization is to participate in a civilization or you have to do is follow some russian or functions you dont you dont need to absorb vast reservoirs of spiritual teachings you just need to perform your role function in the society like a robot like a mechanic or project and now were even talking about replacing the human beings with rich robots and selves so putting human beings into Virtual Reality uploading our brains to. Digital consciousness i mean why are you to the issue with this day and use into the course of one sort of his element rather than the state medical structure what the state is exists for is to. Increased the accumulation to develop the material abundance but doesnt necessarily bring people more freedom we have to understand what the middle east is in this era of modernity the the middle east which is a very rich historical culture with his own rightful legacy the same way the same way as russia also has its own civilisation has been completely marginalized pushed to one side seen as something that is not could be redone in the west image i think to have that then vision has been clearly articulated by mania western leaders what we have to understand is that people in the middle east have a deep desire to live meaningful purposeful lives to be close to some sense of the divine. This but unfortunately in western western system that we live in doesnt see the aspect of the reality that aspects of the life that saw the middle and thats why in the middle east so what happened is in the middle east which is at the bottom of all of the global civilisations the kurds at the bottom of all of the nations in the middle east when leader of the p. K. K. Went to prison in turkey. What happened is in the beginning the kurdish struggle in turkey was started as a nationalistic communist struggle and in ninety is what they saw as the open pandoras box that was a huge amount of death on both sides the tens of thousands of people because really bloody vicious war and when i. Went to prison he said to think so i think why why are there so many problems in the middle east and the conclusion he came to is that this system of nation states doesnt fit the middle east that people going to be the only respect i have. Been i think there was quite a bit of their destructive input from abroad it probably was definite if it is state in the middle is. They were usually authoritarian in nature not very developed sometimes backward looking that the not very efficient economy that large youth populations unemployed youth populations but there was also quite a bit of a negative input from many western countries starting with iraq later in libya also in syria as i put it out since our time is very limited let me ask you a very pointed and specific and contemporary question because im sure you know that russia together is turkey together with iran is now trying to push various political actors in syria towards a negotiating table and the main condition for that kind of diplomacy is that the borders it will stay intact where does it leave the kurdish cause or at least because of for java what is that bast hope at this point of time so you know what the aim of which offer isnt to change the borders of the middle east and to. To get their own state what they want is they want to change the actual social reality the situation this way to understand is is more like an Ideological Movement or even a religious movement that they want to change they dont want to rearrange the structure of the society the way the government is arranged to have to own a new government well they should want to do some want to change in tone a walled of peoples thoughts to spread a new body of ideas in the society and not just in their own region of cuts but within the wider context of the middle east because the middle east is a very diverse place its not just about putting more of these people to go for as individuals into multicultural bosket instead we need to you she will look to all of these cultural legacies to try to make a synthesis between i need to stop your idea because we have to take a very short break but well be back in just a few moments stay tuned. Its a. Wonder when they hit a car like this it is. 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Welcome back to worlds apart but i mean keep it going developer and anti isis fighter mr taki lets talk about another prominent part of your biography which is technology. You have coined quite a name for yourself over the in the bitcoin circles you also earlier proposed to using bitcoin as a fund raising tool to allow. The Northern Syria to rebuild itself and he has suggested that it could be a nice way of circumventing various sanctions imposed by either europe or perhaps the United States is that still on the o. Mine. Big the proposition of big point is not simply as a tool to allow the free flow of capital but a. Piece of technology or technique there are ways that we can construct new economic systems new ways to arrange people economically to be able to gain their own freedom if you believe that National Currencies are a means of many people in or suppression why do you think that kind of would be better because. You know there there is very little oversight theres very little if any Consumer Protection when it comes to bitcoin not to mention that most people simply dont have enough Computer Literacy to operate it let alone to know all the risks associated with it. Think of the money that we use in our lives with the money that all of us work. Is printed by a small fund on surely. The the majority of the worlds currency. Economic transactions is responsible for the governance of the world is. Come from washington from american Central Banks which is a country which is about which the underlying philosophy of that country is the blind accumulation of capital using the tools of military domination so to be able to break free if we need to look for solutions why is coins illusion better than the dollar that you despise the most because again it opens at least to me and i am not an expert but it seems that it offers also plenty of opportunities for many in the exploitation sure but. Because it is not a final solution because it is a step for us to be able to go on that path towards our freedom because it is not just a piece of technology is social system there are many different people participating in the ecosystem was so so important is the ideas are on the lying the development of the technology is something we have to have an awareness of right now the situation we find ourselves in is a situation of crisis and there is no other way out right now but you mention that you specifically want to use it to fundraise for the syrian kurds and from what i understand it still requires a lot of infrastructure the use of bitcoin electricity Internet Connection what have you and from what i understand those issues are major challenges in Northern Syria so when you have to build economy some sort samplers of the economy first before you can freely and widely use it know to use big point is relatively simple you just need even a smart phone. In the electricity. For your smartphone then Telecom Coverage and. All the things like that syria they have internet everywhere. The majority of the population has cell phones. In the twenty First Century like everybody house well i mean in some areas kurdish areas where ive been even electricity was a major challenge with many thinking maybe things have improved since then can i ask you Something Else because you mentioned before that many different people use bitcoin and i just came across the statistics by bloomberg recently suggesting that i mean one thousand people only forty percent of the bitcoin market if its true it gives them i think it would give them a lot of libraries including in potentially coordinated schemes so. That could look like yet another power structure under construction is it not totally true we live in. A situation now with financial power elite a lot of wealth has been transferred to. Which is. A change in the structure of power which is something thats healthy is something we need to be able to progress as a humanity to advance was what youre saying is that first the Capital Needs to shift from you know one area to another and then you can count on peoples you know better qualities to you and i dont i dont believe theres a fundamental human nature the flow of capital to a new group of people is going to give us a trajectory in which moneys hes going to reach a new utopia im saying is the break this can be imposed on us now by the structure of power which is itself in the some of the financial capitals of new york and london but many of the people who trade in bitcoins they actually concentrated in those Financial Centers and i know that you previously. Described corn as nothing less than a means of liberating humanity and interestingly as i was sort of thinking about the development of other industries or other human endeavor its usually they start with Something Like that you know a person looking for an important drug and only then you know when the truck is developed it gets capitalized in the profit making imperatives take on dont you think. Its going to build you just yet another all of Something Like that because. Technology the original proposition of big coin is here is a new piece of technology the people to send capital any of a person on the planet outside of the control of Central Banks and governments is incredibly powerful Value Proposition for the first time now we have we regain our ability to be able to economically organize for the entire planet to achieve a global consensus with the domination of western states who are building is a process of tyranny even because of the history was driven by idealists who really hot. The challenge now of big coin developers of big news is the people inside big ecosystem is to have a vision of the future they want to move towards and work towards making that happen if they dont there is the danger of the big coin will just remain suspended and dissipate as a project the reason why we have mobile phones and laptops and. Personal computers is because there were a community of us in the fiftys in the sixtys who got jobs Near Computers trying to understand how this Technology Works to try and gain access to these tools of power to be able to create to be able to give this. Technology of computers to the Common People news it to advance humanity forward but what happened in Hacker Community is in the seventys a lot of capital from very Big Companies started to flow into this. Previously marginalize community and big news the first time in their life the m