A news max columnist and in tampa we have Scott Rickard he is a former american intelligence linguist originally crosslike rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate scott let me go to you first in tampa first i want to kind of express my bewilderment but maybe it should and shouldnt be will be looking at Mainstream Media covering this story on Net Neutrality a lot of stories out there but the meaning of it seems rather moot. To me and its i think its because so many of these news outlets are owned by Internet Service providers ok like comcast and others like that here i mean what is the significance of this move because i think you know an era of the internet and as i said in my introduction i mean one of the great social equalizers of our time is under threat and maybe well tell our grandchildren i remember the golden years go ahead scott well thats interesting i mean its very multifaceted obviously the Media Companies i have a very symbiotic relationship with the carrier. Theres this this relationship goes a long way they pay a lot of money even for a local news you know its up to like seven dollars charge just for local news or rebroadcast the cost Cable Companies so you have a real close symbiotic relationship with individuals who are profiting from a Current Business so a lot of this really has more to do with the legality of rebroadcast the copyright component and obviously the economics theyre trying to transfer of the upgrade of their networks to the economic wages of of the people thats whats really happened here and when they talk about a fast lane versus a slow lane lets be clear here that they are of seeds are written very clearly once youre up on the network the quality of service is actually built in the bandwidth is there you know each strand of fiber will give you ten gigabit theyve pulled a lots of multi a modem but mostly single mode fiber around the country this goes well right past everyones homes and they can install the equipment on the corners that will absolutely handle the quality of service whats interesting is that the companies that when youre trying to get faster speeds today are actually making you pay for that equipment by charging exorbitant installation fees so thats really whats happened is that technology is very simple to give people a Quality Service but what theyre up against is theyre trying to obviously make more money from something that doesnt really need to happen very much like enron very much like ethanol and very much like unfortunately the carbon tax charging for our in the United States i guess is how the americans have done this ok we have one and we have julio dissenting and thats what we wanted on this program really let me go to you new york you. Know me four weeks ago i moved some more we explode here guys hang on you know julio i perfectly understand that i s ps this is a Business Leader and its Serious Business and its an important business for our time my most important concern is the. Make sure that everyone gets to stay in on this platform here and and and this is what a lot of people worried about when it comes to Net Neutrality are we going to have people left behind because there are lots of communities in the United States that dont have the best quality internet and if theyre facing higher prices for not an improvement in quality that leaves them out thats my primary concern i have other concerns as well after this long introduction of my part my friend go ahead julio in new york. Well you know what that sounds very conspiratorial there was what scott was talking about listen the fact of the matter is the people that are getting hurt are people that are due to that neutrality are people in rural areas people that are in urban areas that are underdeveloped i mean the fact of the matter is were already paying extra for better levels of service thats already been happening because if you get Business Class intra you know high Speed Internet you pay a little extra and you get a little bit better Quality Service its not like everybodys getting the same level of service all across the board it hasnt been like that and didnt think about the twenty plus years before two thousand and fifteen when they put in this additional regulation the internet for arrived its not like taking it away is going to make the thing explode i mean this is really alarmist nonsense theres another reason to attack donald trump saying that hes doing something dangerous its really theirs and theres not going to be any consequence the average person is not going to feel any difference because of this guy i dont see it and i dont see the trump connection here so clearly here i theres a lot of theres a lot of people in red and blue states that are concerned about this here you know scott the argument you know that Net Neutrality slows down investment i mean if you look at the bottom lines of the major piece i mean look at their stock prices are doing pretty well here and since two thousand and Fifteen Investment into infrastructure of these grids you know has dipped only a little bit here it is down eighty five percent what it would i would say is that i dont know i was saying is years back with since the ruling in two thousand and fifteen things havent been that bad then you have google and facebook and so on and so on and so forth saying that theyre there and they were are worried that the ice piece will not be held to account to you know title two that everyone talks about go ahead scott well i dont deny the fact that there are any issues with a. Rural areas not getting speed but lets be clear here that the American Government has invested millions and hundreds of millions of dollars in commercial companies the acquisitions have been tremendous you look at Small Companies like sentry tell that gobbled up qwest that gobbled up a lot of the c lex around the southeast century tel is now one of the Largest Companies in the country from a Telecom Perspective obviously john malone and paul allen have done quite well gobbling up some Cable Companies recently so you have a very serious amount of investment that theres not only coming from the u. S. Government but also coming from private investors and this Net Neutrality thing is absolutely more about the legality of things lets be clear here they are theyre not able to throttle back the pirate bays or the codys or these types of things that are theyre basically bashing into their their income so theyre going after the of law in a way to actually throttle these things back and block them out lets be clear as well i cannot find our t. V. On a on a Cable Network across the United States our t. Is not syndicated on the Cable Networks in the United States lets be clear here as well i can easily get our t. V. I know the guys i ski with these people out in denver helping out the u. S. Disabled ski team so these are individuals that are absolutely blocking you know this type of access for r. T. And this will be another thing this is a freedom of speech issue for me because in the future if they dont want us to get our t. On the internet they can actually throttle that back as well and thats the only place i can get that so thats my biggest fear ok thats a fear of mine and i was actually to get there and everything go in we can go there right now who are working in one of the i said my major concern was equal access and a subsidiary concern is you know are we could see what comcast an eighty brice and what they want us to see and they could have give them preference ok because im sorry because if comcast likes. Wants to support m s n b c i think the whole world is in trouble here the question is can they stay can will they stay focused on business or would they be political ok go ahead Julio Wallace and theres been a couple of isolated incidents there was the vonage eighty in t. Thing that was a Google Wallet thing yes but to have this. Broad sweeping you know regulations over everyone in advance listen we have antitrust laws you know we have the f. T. C. Which was originally in charge of the internet before fall under the f. T. C. There are the f. C. C. Rather under title two you know we dont need another additional layer of regulation listen there were twenty two s ps that went to go to the to the f. C. C. And they met with. That they have you know smaller customer bases less than a thousand people they cant grow because banks wont loan them money because of the uncertainty that comes along with this so i mean its hurting america its hurting jobs its hurting the level of Service Every day and do anything positive and listen before we had it we did have these widespread issues of you know i s ps undermining you know their competitors. Ok scott you know it but one of the Major Concerns is that youre going to have the major they get to force you to buy their products here and they will throttle and disappear oh that the competition see this is you know the internet really thrives when there is competition when its really unlikely forced to buy any no no but if you cant see that you can you cant see something you cant buy it ok that is the whole problem here is the again every step of the way its equal access if its political ideas or products or being able to be on the internet in the first place go ahead scott one minute before we go to the break well when you look at when you look at the failure of the Competitive Local Exchange carriers and they did try this they do regulated in one nine hundred ninety six the americans gave away the keys to the kingdom a lot of Foreign Countries came in and bought american infrastructure you have foreign intelligence that is manufactured and installed intelligence collection devices on American Networks getting data prior to n. S. A. Getting it actually so theres a theres a real serious problem from the deregulation from ninety six but at the same time when you look at current competition a. O. L. Built their networks upon advanced Network Systems advanced Network Systems was they were the guys that built arpanet for the folks that bold paranaque and newman and managed it for the guys so this is a this is not a competition environment obviously time warner has some of the best. Actual landlines and best actual fiber across the country after buying the arpanet infrastructure certainly these guys sprint have some great infrastructure because their road connections so this is not a competitive environment these are these are individuals who understand a much higher level ive attended meetings at the National SecurityTelecommunications Advisory Council and so i understand these these types of issues and the most americans they dont understand this so when you talk about competition though there is no. 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Lets go back to you in new york and scott had the last word in the first part of the program and you were dissenting please go while i was just going to say we cant fausto an environment that creates money not police i mean these smaller guys still at least have to have a fighting chance listen theres over four thousand individual i s ps in this country you know obviously we have the big dogs you know and theyre the ones that control the majority of it but hollows how are consumers ever going to have a choice you know if these smaller people can even compete in the market and are on the side you know i just wanted to bring up that you know going back to something that scott said earlier isnt it ironic or isnt a really not really that surprising that we would give up you know forgive for and access to our internet infrastructure in the ninetys under the clintons is that like follow a pattern that we wound up seeing going to she was secretary to a different topic and id like it id like it thats a good one theyre ok all right you know scott you know what doesnt it doesnt you know i think theres always patterns with. People you know you know. Ok we just heard from the you know theres a lot of very small i a speech but you know what its really almost a monopoly like environment its the same thing with facebook at the same thing with google here is another thing im concerned is more and more concentration and now it looks like the f. C. C. Reports to the i is peace thats what it looks like out for this ruling here it is and you know shedding responsibility i mean they have to have f. C. C. Is supposed to make sure that people have access to broadband ok i mean on the very top of their risk. Bonce abilities. You know and so i wonder looking at you know shouldnt they be these Big Companies be broken up and we had standard oil we had other Major Companies that were broken up i mean it seems to me theres too much concentration of power too much concentration of money and its bad for the marketplace and for consumers go ahead scott. Well theyve tried that they did break up ma bell bell was broken up and then read. A actually at war divorce they remarried under age n. T. And all the all the bells came back together they also tried that with the seal x. And they a lot of people did make some decent money but obviously those have been all basically gobble back up they did the same thing in the cable industry those all started out very local and you had advance newhouse one of the ones early on here in the florida area but theyve also the time warner isnt the individuals that own the backbone impose structure you know its very similar like you brought up with standard oil they own the Railway System that was transporting the oil and thats how they control the industry well the same thing goes for the Backbone Infrastructure for the internet that is owned by a very small select group of people who are controlling that transport on those Backbone Infrastructures and you know that infrastructure is very easily managed you look at the kinds of inner connect that they have you know each single fiber will do ten gigabit of. Bandwidth and they have tons of single mode fiber polled where they need it and they can always pull more so theres not a problem with the bandwidth issue i think what it comes down to is like you say with rural areas and individuals i live in a neighborhood for example that hasnt been upgraded for the Telecom Industry so i can only get seven megabit to my house but on the cable side i can get one hundred megabit to my house which is plenty for these days i mean theres plenty of transport to my home at this point seven megabit i would be challenged i mean obviously i cant stream as well across that is the quality of Services Good on the streaming that i can get from my my Cable Provider absolutely not when i go out to cody and other places obviously the origination point and the terminations point will determine where the band with quality is going to be so i cant get as go