That there was absolutely nothing extraordinary in it why is israel are trying to package this an ounce meant for what its not well israels trying to basically affirm what the American People have said for twenty two years and its unfortunate that so many people around the world. Russia by the way not included have gone against the will the American People as a matter of fact russia recognized jerusalem already for a long time and certainly the western side of the city and the American People have said jerusalem is israels capital is the israeli people have known that everybody in this part of the world though everyone knows that jerusalem is israels capital not everyone publicly agrees with it but Everybody Knows another fact that if you want to have stability in the middle east you want to have security in the middle east recognize jerusalem and let the Israeli Security forces keep drus them safe for people of all religions but then mr dyker i think there is a lot of. Hes fourteen yandex here because the state department had to issue several clear if occasion stating that washington indeed wasnt trying to influence the talks on the status and the separation of jerusalem in any way but i think these really have thirty days maybe very deliberately make it appear as if donald trump was speaking about jerusalem as a whole well accent a look its very important to understand that the state department was saying something true in this particular case donald trump President Trump said that the status quo remember that word status quo thats a code word for keeping things as they are what the United States did was to correct an injustice and her and a and a a position that had been incorrect and biased against israel very much unfortunately at the behest of a israels a friends in europe which held they took they prejudged. The outcome the negotiations by trying to recognize or suggest that the palestinians should have a capital on the eastern side of the city thats a prejudgment of negotiations the state department saying no the negotiations have to come directly between the sides all the United States did was to fulfill the will of the American People and prime and president s before donald trump that for you know smart for political reasons decided to last minute to mobilize that six month waiver state Department Said no negotiations is what will determine the ultimate the ultimate status of israels of the of the holy city ill miss it mr dicus you can imagine i mean russia dont trade the worth of the american president or even the American Congress as the word of god so its just the positional one country which by the way strongly opposed by pretty much everybody else in the International Community accept israel at the same time theres a whole body of International Agreements specifically stating and providing for the two state solution based on the nine hundred sixty seven borders before Israel Occupied east jerusalem. Did you read some statements as at third diverging from that in any way accent or your facts are wrong unfortunately i mean theyre dead wrong theres no theres in austin the ostler agreements it says specifically that the final core issues including including settlements including the future of jerusalem and final borders will be determined by negotiations Un Security Council resolution two forty two is governed Israeli Palestinian diplomacy for decades since one thousand nine hundred sixty seven and it makes absolutely no mention whatsoever of israels requirement to return to the indefensible nine hundred sixty seven line i care no no no way no where you can teach a National Agreement it is stated that israel can have jerusalem only to the south can you not mention any specific document that would proclaim internationally that jerusalem is the sole capital off israel and no im not nothing else listen countries work according to their National Interest everybody who has eyeballs in their head knows that the jewish people have had three capitals three times have had a capital jerusalem three times in their history over the last thirty seven hundred years since one thousand nine hundred forty nine jerusalem has been the capital of israel every israeli knows that every man woman and child knows that every country that comes to visit to israel they come to jerusalem where our seat of government is located where all our government offices are located where most of our government offices are located where our knesset or parliament is located so its very clear to to to everyone inside the country and i think around the world the drew slim is the capital of israel and thats the and thats just a fact of well its very clear to everybody and around the world including russia that israel certainly has a historic connection to draw so nobody is disputing that what they and the rest of the International Community is saying is that the palestinian historic connection to jerusalem is just as strong is israel going and you personally i are going to accept that what palast. In a store connecting jerusalem youre talking about the palestinians in fact the jordanians would curse you for that statement that the jordanians the hashemite kingdom has been the forty third direct descendant of the prophet according to the two to. Two the tradition of islam would of would ascribe the custodianship to the hashemite kingdom and king of bel of the second and in fact that is a strategic that is a strategic a mandate for jordan and they that is basically imbedded and sanctified in internationally approved and. Im well familiar with your position on jordan but i thankfully jordan is not the only member of the International Community here but rather than arguing about that let me ask you Something Else unlike a number of his predecessors including barack obama when he was a president ial candidate president charm sad nothing in these latest statement about the on divided nature of jerusalem eve ciampa is indeed so courageous and as you seem to believe why do you think he did in gold that far because he because he basically laid out a principle oksana which is the jerusalem is the capital of israel recognized by the United States of america at the will of the American People he didnt want to prejudice the negotiations you know all of you guys in the International Media a lot of you guys have not done your homework and have basically trying to is to ascribe to President Trump things that he didnt say or he didnt mean he basically recognized it a long overdue correction and the correction is a principle and the principle is the United States recognizes what every Israeli Government is recognize with every israeli man woman and child is recognized jerusalem the capital of israel what goes on after that in terms of negotiation well thats why the president said status quo secretary of state Rex Tillerson also sad that the United States is not planning to move to see from tel aviv to jerusalem until two thousand and twenty and that. The American Government maps on the American Government maps jerusalem will still be not identified as israeli territory whats the point of calling a spade a spade without drawing the message well the truth thats the very thats the very point that its a matter of principle but in terms of changing the technical aspects of or to operationalize the principle and change all the technical aspects that come after that thats something youd have to ask the state Department Employees that handle the technical shifting of maps in the state department its its a question of stages its a question of process and you probably know very well diplomacy doesnt happen overnight and the implementation of policy doesnt happen overnight and everybody you know the jewish people have waited have waited thirty seven have waited over two thousand years for this decision and they can wait a few more years for the implementation of the american decision the state Department Level you know very well that this announcement didnt sit well with a lot of people. On the third tier most notably palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas stating that he would no longer accept the United States as a meat east me a mediator and you know youre i find your opinions on the palestinian sometimes pretty harsh but having said that do you think these kind of alley nation is really in israels interest because if there would be somebody else some other power trying to mediate this process do you think that power would have represented ease realist interest just as faithfully as the United States have always done well i can tell you exxon of this the palestinian leadership is headed by chairman Mahmoud Abbas is making a fatal mistake by trying to b. T. S. By trying to boycott in sanction the United States. Who gives them more. Money then then the combination of all the european states put together and that really goes for the arab states as well the United States has been the biggest purveyor in the biggest cheerleader for palestinian independence and together with israel by the way have done more to advance palestinian independence that anyway than any other country in the world so the problem is that the Palestinian Authority is working against the will of its own people and i can tell you a somebody thats in the west bank every day talking to the Palestinian People the Palestinian Authority are have become a cynical terrorist supporting entity that is not working towards peace and that have no interest in at this point coming to the negotiating table negotiating with israel and this is against the will of its own people and if you were here in the areas of drucilla and gone through the west bank and have real conversations with palestinian professionals youd realize that theyre all saying Palestinian Authority and my what about us are working against the interest of their own people and thats why you could never get elected again if you went to elections opposite hamas well mr dyker as you know theyre a number of countries in the region dividend bishan of playing a role in the middle east Peace Process and one of them is turkey which already an ounce its held to move its Palestinian Embassy is jerusalem now president ed on is that far more ambitious and i think cunning figure than trump and i suspect he may be in power for a bit longer than trump hes having trump siding more explicitly with these release worth others like mr ed on rallying so eagerly and round the palestinians well i think coming is a very good word oksana for for president early on hes become the leader of the new neo ottoman Islamic Radical movement in the middle east and hes always been interested in lighting a fire underneath the stability of jerusalem its been very clear that president ordered one has been. Involved in supporting the Northern Islamic Movement in advancing the propaganda that the mosque is in danger and he has been very much a participant in the supporter of all of the instability thats gone on by radical islamic groups on the temple mount the jordanians are not happy with him the egyptians are not happy with him the saudis are not happy with him and thats why the egyptian the saudi leaders didnt show up at the oh i see meeting last week in istanbul so he is not exactly the best friend or even close to being a good friend of the sunni arab establish that there are no friends in the International Community let alone in your own region but were talking about responsible politics and geopolitics what i ask you about not the sort of you know to paint a picture of mr add on the believe me i know he speaks about how do you do after all russia had its own very very difficult period of it turkey after turkish and on our own plane over syria thats not what i ask you about i ask you about why that it was responsible to take these kind of decision that does not bring any immediate benefits not israel nor to the United States that the United States does not even plan to follow up with indyk next coming years and by the nature of making that decision give all that fire give give all that rhetoric give all that far to. International figures like mr ed on do you think that was responsible i think its very responsible for the following reason if you want to have stability security in the middle east you had better be on the team that is being led by the israelis i think that you know the saudis the egyptians the jordanians all understand that the future of their security and the future of a stable middle east is located in the small state of israel nation state of the jewish people know the entire arab world understands that if this region is going to serve. Vive Iranian Regime subterfuge and subversion of the entire region its israel that they can depend on thats why theres been such a sea change in the geopolitics of this region and they know that president early one has played an unhelpful role. And i think the russians know it as well as anybody else the United States knows it the moderate arab countries know israel knows it so while israel wants to have Good Relationships with the good relations with turkey as weve had for decades well mr dr we have to take a very short break now but we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned. Welcome back to wills apartment down dyker a fellow at the jerusalem for Public Affairs mr dyke it is clear that the human may want to have good relations with many countries but theyre the country that you most fundamentally have been focused on is saudi arabia Everybody Knows about the represented but in order for that to continue you will have to have not only the goodwill of the on the kings buy that it is in saudi arabia or in jordan for that matter but also the the goodwill of people in the arab street do you think the perception of israel on the arab street has improved as a result of the announcement made by mr trump well thats actually a good question we have to have to do some we have to do some polling to understand that the problem with the arab street has been that they have a very problematic relationship with a lot of their leaders and they look for any opportunity to come out into under the false under the fake banner of israel as some sort of a mini imperialist nation theyll try theyll hit the streets when theyre misplaced anger is really against their own leadership i mean thats the a. B. C. s of arab Public Policy that if thats if they can why is the only. Democracy in the middle east is so eager to cooperate with saudi arabia ive made to believe the most repressive regime and the region you know you should ask a different question how come israel and russia have such a Good Relationship well i dont think you would claim that russia is their repressive dictatorship you may have criticism about russias political system but i hope people who argue that it is just as bad as in saudi arabia no im not arguing that in fact im very you know when you look at the side of the very close cooperation between israel and and president putin especially when it comes to turning back radical Islamic Radical islamic operatives where you have tens of millions of those in moscow alone you know what one could only look with satisfaction at the russian israeli relationship especially in the cooperation to the north of israel where you know where russia is playing a role a very substantial role in in syria and israel in israels cooperating with russia there are some that would say the russia is occupied has become the major superpower occupier of of syria today me mr dyke are you know better than i did that russia is present in syria abbey invitation of the un recognized sovereign government and. They all keep patients of the. Palestinian territories by by israelis not recognized by the International Community there is an important distinction here but let me again bring you back to the issue of. Establishing or at least fostering peace in the region because the recognition of the state of israel seventy years ago was based on the explicit condition that a jewish state would leave side by side with a palestinian state if that condition is not fulfilled and you concerned that the concept of a dedicated jewish state will lose its appeal but in the International Community well first of all exxon i have to correct you your facts are wrong the partition plan of november. For a twenty nine nine hundred forty seven call for t