Gave children as young as ten the right to work under certain circumstances but theres a new thing this. Is all new for. The. Elite bunch of them with us in the end all. The things years. But there are hundreds of thousands of children in bolivia operating completely outside the local. Mining work is strictly forbidden by the children but its never enforced and that means the school boy minus continues risking their lives for the money they need to survive. Lead. Welcome back to the cause report im eric stars are time now visit with adela to alone she is a fish lawyer in an ode a cipher punk oh my god this is going to be cool though a welcome i thank you tell us about your background what led you to bit coy well i first still learned about bitcoin in two thousand and one i know. So i was working in the gold industry in two thousand and one we founded this company and actually ran an online gold backed Payment System and built them as well and we did about what liebling and what not so it was first then that i sort of got introduced into the world of like the possibility of a not centralized currency an alternative to what we had going on for you know centralized actors so the cypherpunk label goes back to this period of time in other words obviously by clay and the way paper was in two thousand and eight of the issue of it goes back. Years before that in terms of looking at de sexualize ways to create value to certain value Different Companies have been trying to do that for a while and your background goes all the way back into the early early days yeah yeah actually i worked with some people that had formerly worked at eagled and eagled was probably the first clarence in Settlement System of micro payments and so thats thats thats thats a whole beginning of bitcoin i think thats when the conversation really started to materialize into software right and you were already in the Legal Business law of not at not at all not at all i was in the business of building things and you know and working with teams to to build the systems out to build up build out these protocols so it was lead into Technology Yes and then the law. What got you into the law side of the legal side thats actually really interesting because you know we reached a point post nine eleven where people were going to jail and starting to seriously you know crazy things like i think our conversations are being monitored we started to see the closure of Bank Accounts with Bank Accounts that we previously banks that we preview previously worked with and so as we say i was getting real lot of i can say that but it was. It was getting real and i thought wow i Love Technology i love to build stuff i love this ecosystem i love the idea of having an alternative to a centralized authority having a monopoly over how and when we can move value and so i thought i need to understand the regulations behind all of this i cant no couple of pramod youre in the gold space yet and we had a couple probably people in the gold space like a peter schiff for example Origin Records for example folks and they dont seem to. Really understand but cohen are there anti brake on or there because skeptics so you know youre somebody for the business for a while youre in the legal space what are they going wrong wow i mean do you want to be all here. Look im going to take it back to something that i use in that i see in my in my in you know in practice all the time and its that were dealing with regulators for years and back in two thousand and fourteen twenty fourteen i thought twenty thirteen twenty fourteen ok these guys have a long time to figure this out this is new its exciting the value propositions obviously there you know in the form of a white paper we started seeing the b. T. N. Companies coming out so the regulators really do have time to figure it out but its twenty eighteen and we still not really far ahead from where we were in twenty thirteen i think its the same of these guys. I think theres a lot of intellectual laziness going on and i know a lot of them are super super prominent. You know intelligent but ive noticed coming from those guys is that theres skeptics and they have arguments but theyre not the arguments that one would think one would use against but claim because there are some arguments that can be made against bitcoin but they never used those arguments they is kind of hackneyed ideas about tulip bulbs and things like this but let me move on for a second here so let me get your take on the perennial question that folks which is the means of exchange versus store a value question you know the white paper is called digital cash essentially a digital Payment System digital cash so it started off really as a medium of exchange and it wasnt all the last couple of years or so that actually this idea of a store of value took off and people started buying it as a store of value and of course the fees have made the medium of Exchange Argument problematic and youve got bitcoin cash coming around saying hey you know weve got a solution to this how do you weigh in on that debate well yeah thats thats actually a big one because we need both things for a currency to actually be successful you know it needs to be a store of value and it needs to be we need to be able to transact in it easily and were seeing problems on the second part of that. I think because it has turned into like a sort of holdall tourism destination when mobile tourists who was. Just booked well. So its kind of like the the the the maximalist idea of holding on to every single big queen that you have and never ever transacting in it and thats become very very popular especially in the sort of like underbelly of the space and on the other side of that were seeing a lot of tourism so i have people writing me daily in my inbox i mean posting about this for ever from jump like you ive been talking about it forever posting articles and people are now writing me emails like hey how can i buy stock in the big koreans how can i get rich online with bitcoin so. I think you know one of the problems is adoption were getting there were getting so adoption another huge problem with that is understanding and again people taking the time not taking time to really understand what it is so sad about real attack vectors ok because now that because i jamie diamond was a skeptic now hes saying i regret having called it a fraud hes done a mayor culpa essentially but the Central Banks the world the big banks the World Governments are starting get nervous that maybe their ability to tax is going to be diminished because everyones in the crypto space and theres no way to track them down thats going to be a problem for their coffers you know so that governments this is now on their radar some governments are taking it on board like venezuela started crypto russia is looking at crypto and these are countries that have been kind of manipulated by the u. S. Dollar and its status as role reserve currency and it backed by the pentagon really and so theyve got a whole new geo political element youre in the legal aspect of this what do you see as a genuine call an attack vector or in or a vulnerability or problem of bit coy Going Forward oh my god so real world application the banks are i would see the hugest problem right now just in use every single day and use case and the problems is the problem is where you know the where where do the banks stop and the regulators start and so i think by by extension banks have acted out and they are refusing. All the major Bitcoin CompaniesBank Accounts so theres a bit of a system de under that set up on ramp is choked because the decrypt conversion is controlled still by the bank absolutely and youre saying the what the not ready but you say. System the system do yeah theres a french term it is yeah which means kind of. Chaos making. Sense out of ten. Just yeah its also an economics term where people sort of transact and find ways around the status quo what is different or that culture Missile System day bed today dave. Barry day or e rs of a thought thing like that. Have a live in france for a while its as if it was somebody says are you going to do that its a common cold local isnt the same system d. Just means i just fussed futz around to get it through to some somewhere so this is what the the the principle guiding big coiners through the bank. Blockade is is to just wing it. Well to wing it ive seen ive heard that you know some people. Probably misrepresent what the count is being used for of course you know auditors figure out you know be queen is involved through you know wires to the registered exchanges queen bees etc come cumberland which is a proprietary trading firm they track it down and they shut them down to give them couple days sometimes if theyre nice or they just get shut down overnight and so theres a lot of banking tourism thats going on right now people just moving from bank to bank seeking. A more hospitable situation and what i have seen a lot of is you know companies having to ten you know even more than that Bank Accounts right so youve got a portfolio of Bank Accounts and youre trying to cover your bases you know Different Countries are vying to become quote switzerland they want to be they see this as a Competitive Edge they want the business they want the technologists they want to be the leaders in this field what countries are leading this remember isle of man was considered to be a forefront or a forerunner of this so its a lot itself is looking like its an attractive space what countries now are kind of in the good position to be leading the charge we do a lot of jurisdiction and we you know seen a lot of good things out of switzerland whats becoming a little overplayed and i know for example one of the Companies One of the major exchanges right now is having a problem right now because swiss want them to register as some sort of you know not a Financial Institution but kind of a Financial Institution and to do k y c over amounts of five thousand dollars. So what im seeing is a shift right now to the eastern caribbean. Caribbean ok. Well yeah. And i think the regulators so far have been very receptive. Theyve learned a hard let her learn a hard lesson this will be never say do things in. Dami domenica yes so they also have the ability for people to buy citizenship from nice places in the caribbean have for a couple hundred thousand bucks you can buy a passport easy them now or its becoming leaders in the script space as well i hope so i would love to see that i want to see more interaction with you know with the Crypto Companies and the regulators because the regulators are asking questions theres a think tank down there that i do some work with that i few know done some peepers for theyre asking the questions i would love to see that that that space dominated by that area lets change gears for a second or so. I c. E. O. s and issue a Coin Offering this twenty seventeen we saw billions of dollars raised by hundreds of i. C. s the summer during the summer the f. C. C. Said most of these i suppose are securities of course that you know they they have to make that distinction whats happening in the i. C. A. O. Market i believe you represent i c o companies and youre youre doing so from a legal perspective whats happening in the size you know space were Going Forward so my firm we do a sort of soup to nuts type thing you know from the very beginning we often deal with issues on the backend you know so that it represents what happens on the front end because theres a lot of issues with that. You know there there are a lot of different types of. Products being offered through these i. C. s i think you know my feeling on it is like do you really need to raise one hundred fifty Million Dollars in two minutes a part of our tab probably not us and we have a ten seconds to say growth in that area yet there is that there is immense growth in twenty eight teams and it doesnt leak is another big growth area absolutely but i also see the coming down on it a lot harder than they have and also they are looking at these tokens to see whether it is a you know a purely utilities he took in our candy crush coin or a security right yeah adults along to israel guys report thank you so much for having me all right well as i do it for this edition of the guys report with me most other states or i guess adelle its a loan if you want to reach us on twitter its kaiser report and so i thought. I had a great education a good job and a family that loved me. I never had to worry about how i would eat some where i would sleep. But im facing christmas alone out on the streets of london. 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In moscow then first President Trump as far a warning shot over the Iran Nuclear Deal hes agreed to extend sanctions relief but says its for the last time in a hundred twenty days from now the u. S. President will again have to decide whether or not to continue the suspension of sanctions troublous again insisting on revisions to the hard fought agreement or he says the u. S. Will walk away. In the event we are not able to reach a solution working with congress and our allies then the agreement will be terminated we cannot abide by an agreement one of the worst deals ever negotiated we cannot and will not make this certification on saturday the Russian ForeignMinistry Said that moscow will oppose any attempt to undermine the existing Nuclear Agreement which echoes other world powers beyond the deal to as a d. C. Correspondents american reports next even though trump has repeatedly vowed to tear up the iran deal he has decided to keep the deal intact extending sanctions relief but also warning that this will be the last time until the deal is strengthened about sanctions will be added on iranian entities for their alleged support of terrorist groups now this comes after his National Security advisers and other signatories have all urged him to comply with the remit and the e. U. Has been urging washington to stick to it for months and great the value of the c. P. O. Way that you do you leave the room the deal is working you want to. Protect just a few a few is why it should pay for this do this crucial for the security of the region but also for the security of the well the agreement was signed in two thousand and fifty and it was hailed as a breakthrough in u. S. Iran relations as it ended International Concern over Irans Nuclear program and its often described as obamas signature Foreign Policy achievement but trump has always accused the country of violating the quote spirit of the deal now at the last deadlin