Hello and welcome the cross talk for all Things Considered im Peter Lavelle who would have thought thirteen russians three times and some cash could impact an american president ial elections this is where russia gate stands today also more twists and turns in the messy conflict known as syria. Crossed talking those thirteen russians im joined by my guest mark sloboda hes an International Affairs and security analyst we also have alexander me cares he is a writer on Legal Affairs as well as editor in chief of the duran dot com and we have Dmitri Bobbitt shes a political analyst with international as always gentlemen crossed that effect that means you can jump anytime you want and. Always appreciate it lets go to those thirteen russians three entities and all that cash maybe not so much because i was and youve been writing about it from a legal perspective give us your major take of the first point is that of course none of these people are going to be tried so mr miller has prepared a very complicated portentously worded indictment which is never going to be tested because there is no extradition is an extradition brought the russians are not going to extradite these people theyre going to stay in russia so you doesnt have to prove any of the things that he has said what seems to have happened is that some of these people have gauged intro link on the internet and theyve done things which lets be straightforward oddly things mr myler but not unheard of the not unheard of and not just specifically to rush as if it were actually going to hear nothing you hear at all i mean anybody who goes on the internet comes across trolls what most has done is he wants to prove that there is this vast intricate dangerous conspiracy hes put all this together hes labeled the Internet Agency in St Petersburg is responsible and hes trawled around to various laws that he can stick offenses against these people essentially what this was if you read the indictment what this was a commercial barket thing is what it was in and even in the indictment itself admits that it was pro and trump. Hillary clinton and for everything in between i mean theres no specific political to it theres no connections at all theres not even any allege any connections between this. Supposed company which is run by a guy who is known as putins chef because he ran a catering business but before any. Of that is even if theyre catering businesses for russian school. She was and is also although its a lot of old you know it was just in the middle media so in russia that labeled him that and theres no connections at all to the russian government theres no connections at all to the trumpet ministration the trunk campaign or any of the other four people one completely unrelated and you know spurious charges that we all are has towards any of the other four people who have been died on tax charges so anything else so we have four indictments before this now we have these indictments of thirteen individuals ever been in the three entities and none of them have any any connection with the russian government or with any or the trumpet. Or any of the delusion at least its an offer that they were russians they were lively interest thousand and sixteen and they posted something on facebook that americans could see it doesnt matter that ninety five percent of the european media was very broad hillary during that campaign and americans could read millions of pages of their stuff during the campaign thats not important what is important is that these thirty russians did it well let me. Make this very its called. Bloomberg he is a writer for bloomberg he used to be able russian journalist knowledge he leaves a broad writes about trash and just like marsha guess the difference is that he knows a thing or two about russian history and literature i like much i guess so heres what he wrote i think youd be surprised i havent been indicted i am russian i was in the us in two thousand and sixteen and they published coolum screed a couple of both clinton and trump without registering as a russian h ok that goes to my next Point Alexander given what we just heard from my. Then Christopher Steele should be indicted as well hes a foreigner he wasnt registered as a Foreign Agent he didnt. Report to the federal Election Commission about what he was doing. This is a glaring this illegally only. Law you dont know anything that we already got a confession according to the actual terms of Dimitri Babich is the unnamed fourteen yes because people like this is crucial if you read the indictment there could be a very possible going to get really let me go back to the. Deal because i think its really important for the questions being answered i mean all the things that people have been in full Christopher Steele has done he has lost to the f. B. I. He is into feet in the u. S. Election he has done so secretly he has been phoning up new spaces he has been publishing information in adults see it. Hasnt registered as any kind of Foreign Agent so why hasnt he been indicted why is the resistance on the phone to the Justice Department to india and this is probably what i find most puzzling of all alexander is the trumps trumps own d. O. J. And maybe its slightly different in a situation with the f. B. I. With the d. O. J. Why isnt it moving there that was a mystery to me because its the troops ok that answers the trucks you know every move talked about a plenty of time to this before no power of his own administration hes hes certainly given away foreign and military policy his own Justice Department is pursuing him and you know this cabal of generals mcmaster maddest mcmasters and kelly keeps him in a little playpen and you know his only real power is tweeting and i dont like hes not allowed to do that whenever he wants as well well i mean its its an attempt to use one thousand same tree legislation twenty First Century is related i mean in the Nineteenth Century maybe it was illegal to bring in pamphlets in favor of a lot of the king it is during the campaign now we leave it then electronically interconnected to what if i want my american friends to read my opinion on the trump all wrong i just post it to all the internet i portico because they will see. No twitter doesnt know borders makes you a criminal exactly but it makes me a criminal if that is what mr ok well lets talk about election meddling a couple of days ago on the. Program the former head of the cia james was lee was on and she asked a few questions about his reaction to the indictments and then she talked about election meddling but American Election meddling abroad lets take a look have we ever tried to meddle in other countrys elections oh probably. It was for the good of the system in order to avoid the communists from taking over for example in europe. In forty seven forty eight forty nine the greeks and italians we. Dont mess around other people will. Only for a very good idea that you. Are good viewers that was the former head of the cia who wants to go first. Let me let me speak about him western media speaks about the former head of the. Cia could know you know if we use that language to use a boat. Ok maybe a general form of the freedom caught up to that who set it to so since mr boucher also to mr mubarak were coming after you which was actually true you know and hes not mad that hes not interfering in other countrys elections you know just somehow i think. That ukraine was the the crown jewel i mean looking for regime illegal change there i wanted to react to that because you know they both chuckled i mean. John dropping you know you youre accusing a foreign country and a very powerful one russia of doing something against your country without any evidence whatsoever beyond a troll farm ok. And there is ample evidence mountains of evidence the United States medals in elections it has for decades and its probably doing so exactly right now. When i was in greece in one thousand nine hundred sixty eight when that was a coup he refers to greece. I was actually taken prisoner at the age of six and the people who carried out the us back to the house where we used to live was taken over by a family from the u. S. Embassy so its not actually such a long time funny thing well i mean is it not i mean if you look at the entire segment is it you know if the u. S. Does it its ok with anybody else does it it isnt ok thats the double standard ok if you could very with me a little bit im going to run for a little bit of literature i know youre prepared i know you are right so this is about the projection from the u. S. On to other countries like russia of what it does the guardian revealed u. S. Spy operation that manipulates social media this is from two thousand and eleven the u. S. Military the pentagon is developing software that will let it secretly manipulate social media sites by using fake online personas to influence internet conversations and spread proamerican propaganda and it specifically notes that the discovery that the u. S. Military is doing this with fake on line personalities sock puppets could also encourage other governments private corporations and government organizations are going to also hear that when there was a program with twitter and they did does the same thing with these of a q but im very much on the seas this is the u. S. Message that what weve just heard alleged there theres no connection to the next one more one more minute before you even read g h c q this is the british version of the National Security agency does the same thing overwhelming evidence. We have a database from Carnegie Mellon using the u. S. Governments own data theyve meddled in other elections eighty one times. Only up to two thousand not counting coups and regime changes and of course the famous how could we forget this picture Time Magazine russia the americans openly helped yeltsin in a rigged election keep our yanks to the rescue they were quite proud about their meddling back then they even made a movie spinning boris congratulating the one hundred ninety six million eighty six dont forget to vote this date you know well i think its just a question of a double standard so you know but you know that its interesting if youre right but they dont see it that way they cant see this far away from their face when it comes to issues like this well you know the problem is also with oh elite you know the response of rush and he is usually you are using office in your internal struggle well for i to tell you terry and i do it would you with global explorations which is no rain in the United States there is little difference between foreign and domestic polish your Foreign Policy is spot of your domestic importance so you know they were trying to take on their interests when you go to a short break and after that short break well continue what it was crushing all those thirteen russians stayed with our to. Be everybody from stephen both. To hollywood guy you know suspects. Proud Americans First of all im just george bush in our view to suggest this is my buddy max famous financial guru where hes a little bit different on the day when. Your windows up with all the drama happening in our country and rude have spun me every day americans. Hopefully start to bridge that gap this is the great american. Welcome back to crossfire all Things Considered im Peter Lavelle to remind you were discussing some real news. All right gentlemen lets switch gears here and go back to serious go back to the middle east. Last couple of days we had secretary of state Rex Tillerson in ankara trying to smooth some feathers i mean both countries have realized that there is a crisis point here after a three hour meeting with the turkish president. There is the impression it believes that some kind of agreement was made i dont get that impression the way it was what was released here what was the point of the meeting and what is the main bone of contention here because this is these are nato allies and theyre going toe to toe no to know is in a country syria where neither one of them should be hit with this this was obviously two for washington to hold hands try to reassure him it was there over there are meeting of the white p. G. D. On Turkish Border guards and theres the kurds and a a large chunk basically claiming as it of their own of syrian territory again much of it right on the turkish and and the iraqi border so turkeys extremely upset about this there were these optics didnt. Do much because even as tillerson was arriving there was the announcement that the pentagon is going to be giving another five hundred fifty Million Dollars this year to arm and otherwise support these forces that hes very insistent on but there has to be a Tipping Point here demas i mean everyone is in is invested enormously in this operation here all of the branch of unbelievably its called range the invasion of the invasion of syria here i mean the United States is not making it better and its saying the pentagon is saying it will stay in syria indefinitely against International Law here something has to go one way or another well what happened was that the states indeed kind of provoked their team to move in and thats was that was said by all foreign minister Sergei Lavrov who said because of the support of the kurds a lot of the kurds and you know this Border Security forces. Started talking about them or they didnt tell the turks didnt know exactly provoke or provided a pretext and basically i dont understand why mr two was on this talking to. Because god has been saying the same thing says to him dont know about the United States in the last two weeks he accused the United States off helping terrorists you know so you can see how desperately the u. S. Is trying to preserve its relationship with turkey and its. The background of this is that we have an upcoming meeting in istanbul with iran turkey and russia it seems to me everyone is basically checking out the terrain here ok because the United States is certainly not going to quote you are not cooperating with police in this regard when it comes to the kurds they it seems to me its patently obvious that the u. S. Wants a statelet it wants a partition of the israelis wanted the saudis are. Going to work and they want their own and they and we have to look at the occupied territory where the u. S. Has if this is where the oil and gas fields are for syria again no money for reconstruction. Ok so everyone is looking at the horizon and i think hes looking for maybe hes going into the grand bazaar go ahead these are two even legal invasions of syria to nato law is which are working at the moment at cross purposes theyre both dangerous for syria and i think that is an important point to remember as for him he has to try and balance the fact that hes now in conflict with the United States so he is now trying to get some kind of arrangement with the russians and the ukrainians to try and balance out the agnelli the usa being what he proposes that the turks and merican his Work Together militarily when the americans are embedded with the kurds i mean thats not going to. Get out and this is the problem at the same john that hes trying to leverage the russians against the americans hes trying to use the americans to leverage against the russians so that he can extract concessions in syria can we which exactly hes called clueless may be right it was just a few days ago when the reports about the turkish army using chemical weapons. Appeared what was the reaction from the spokesperson for the u. S. Led coalition. But the u. S. Coalition has no information of this before when there were there was just a rumor about the Syrian Government using chemical weapons immediately they had was that while they had they had a lot of rhetoric for something they never ever happened there didnt even send inspectors there that they were so sure that this information was correct went to target somehow they prefer to be silent this is the interesting thing to mark is that we have to look at the internal dynamics of turkey everyones perceived american stance is very popular domestically for him so this is again another part of the spectrum that hes playing it i mean he first of all he accused the u. S. Of a coup trying to overthrow his government u. S. Back to go on. The bed probably the only coup that i believe the us hasnt been in recent times but its an enormously popular with his islamist based and the base is as long as that top of that hes turned his country into basically the whole day resort for all of the jihadi across the world who are been barking into syria for the last six years if he suddenly god doesnt about face turns away from al qaeda turns away from regime change in syria hes got to deal with them on his own sort of it was there already also house deal with alex is that again going back to this. Meeting with ball with the iranians the russians and the turks is that. What everyone is doing is want to make sure that hes part of some kind of Peace Process were two countries russia and iran can play a forceful role an instrumental role because the United States is the spoiler ok its the spoiler country its not interested in any kind of conflict resolution thats the kind of gambit hes. Also trying to use hes deals with the russians to extend his influence into syria hes now sending troops into syria. Terr