Wars and this team at the moment Bolton Abramson trump himself and pence and all the rest of them are desperately trying to pitch the world the planet that we live on into this war sorry im drifting of julian who we should all be focusing on because he is who the whole world should be focusing on him now because if we let the u. K. Get away with allowing him to be extradited to the United States and we allow the United States government at their whim to torture him and to detain him possibly for the rest of his life we will have allowed them several steps further down the road to absolute tyranny and probably the destruction of the planet thats my view its hugely important the british people need to stop their government from allowing been let in marina who would say that there is nothing bribe about bribery here he would say is not the cia base it meant to be the i. M. F. In fact he had an exclusive in the guardian once wiki leaks media which claimed that actually julian is andras some kind of spy against marino in the embassy mary no the president of ecuador now. Would say anything to make 10 shillings he this is a man of absolutely no substance and no moral center and no compass he is only interested in that and the clearly lies constantly and consistently there is a me told parliament here to welcome isnt just capture and. Apparently 70 m. P. s in parliament of signed a letter saying this is about sex allegations in sweden looked war crimes thats why hes in belmarsh prison in South East London he seems really. A sharp will trump wont sing well thats absolute nonsense as we know those charges have all been dropped long ago there are no charges standing against him except some spurious very minor. Barn door bail charge and u. K. Lol which is completely prepared to face under normal circumstances of jurisprudence in the u. K. The only reason he didnt was because he was frightened that as lackeys of the american empire the u. K. Establishment would have him extradited to the usa which is what it looks as if theyre trying to do to resume comes from a long line of lackeys a long long line cameron before blair before him we weve all seen whats happened. Since the 2nd world war with the moving away from the welfare state that the attlee government put in place of to the 2nd world war 2 words more and more and more dependence upon the United States with Nuclear Submarine bases and scotland and so on and so on and so forth so we know that we are under the thumb while we the british people need to get out from under the thumb and say no this is wrong this is illegal this is a journalist and anybody who says no is no arjun yes he is all you need to be to be a journalist is somebody who has access to a press they used to be Printing Presses back in the day when the laws were written now its access to the internet or anything where you give information to your fellow citizens of the world and information doesnt matter what it is but the most Important Information that we julian the sun shes fellow citizens of the globe nate is information about this secret malfeasance and wrongdoing of all governments which. Legend and julian a song which along with Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden and the other whistle blows down the years of the heroes who help us to gain some of the knowledge that the powers that be would keep secret if they could this is in countries that call themselves democracy is where the government is supposed to be for the people not for the corporations not for donald trump not for the abrams not for mike pence not for pompeo not for the rest of those rabbit down a moles who are in charge of everything but food we the people just to be clear obviously so we can leak doesnt sue was obviously that there were never any charges in sweden just allegations but they you call him a journalist why do you think so many journalists are attacking julian a surrogate is it a coincidence that those journalists often like the European Union in the jump administration also say support the overthrow of the venezuelan government theres a intersection why journalists attacking shootin and saying hes not a journalist why does so many journalists by the narrative if that in venezuela which you just mentioned for instance that my doro is a vicious dictator and the people are big and blah and by the story to keep their jobs thats why because if they express opinions that go against the narrative of the powers that be a. Word filters down in one way or another they suddenly find that theyre not getting the plum job theyre not getting the promotion theyre not getting that. Your job is on the line if you stand up to them im guessing obviously i dont know some of them may just be so dumb that they cant figure out the truth. He collects information from sources which he protects he sometimes helps those sources to collect information or knowledge and then he publishes the information that gets if he believes it to be real and true and in the Public Interest for him to publish it and hes not a journalist what is he then what is june in the sun should hes not im a youre a journalist all of us this is journalism we are trying to find out the truth about things and. No explain it to the public but to make it a vailable to the Public School freedom of information and it is absolutely central to the working of any healthy form of government including democracies and is what theyre trying to prevent because they dont want the secrets to come out they want to keep everything secret they go want us to know about their methods of torture or their incarceration of in some people all thats why theyre going off to june in a son because he is a thorn in their side also what theyre trying to do trump and the rest of them and to raise them a is theyre trying to frighten would be truly in a son jeez who may provide this incredibly Important Service for the rest of us in society in the future that trying to scare them off so they wont do it that trying to make an example of shooting in a sausage rather than doing what the us just done on told yesterday and give him awards for telling the truth for blowing the whistle Julian Julian as the released unconventional regime change policy documents from the United States obvious the secret plans to destroy syria little in the more famous us will crams in iraq a connection between all of these documents the wiki leaks distributed and how come you realize all of this when say as regards venezuela policy Richard Branson the live aid concert do support us in the you policy why do you know and people like branson dude bronsons not enter branson is not interested in the reality branson is interested in candyfloss and branson. He doesnt care about politics in my view he couldnt care less hes interested in making a splash for branson anybody who knows him will tell you that. Actually he brought coast sit to be fair to him he doesnt hide the fact that hes a fluffy opportunist who really has no interest in anything real except his own eco but you are all you i was in touch with people in venezuela all the way through february who were with their reporting out of venezuela friends of mine and i was asking pertinent questions about what was actually going on and so if anybody did any research and didnt just listen to the narrative that was being repeated over and over again maduro is a dictator the people are starving the us is trying to help them with humanitarian aid. We have to pull up and then suddenly out of the woodwork after a phone call. From who pence from pence wedo pops out of the woodwork and says hello im the new president mike pence says. Hold on a minute wouldnt the people of venezuela say so shouldnt they have a some parts in this and by the way. Maduro has not written rough showed of the constitution of the of venezuela the constitution of venezuela. Is extremely important to madeira and to most of the people in venezuela its not important to why dope because he plays fast and loose with it he lies about it a changes 8 takes it out of context roger waters ill stop you there more from roger waters as well as the un special rubble term torture resident of liberated. So what weve got to do is identify the threats that we have its crazy confrontation let it be an arms race in his own spearing Dramatic Development only im going to resist i dont see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to see. Him tom. Welcome back im still here with actress of pink floyd frontman roger waters but the sun does the front runner arguably of the d. N. C. To challenge trump in 2020 he complained about the door and said nothing about Julian Assange at all as far as i can tell politicians fearful of taking the kind of political positions you have of course theyre fearful i actually use twitter very little but after the venezuelan comments from its own sway he made sweeping statements about my door and he was repeating the narrative. And it doesnt matter what i tweet said he kind of discredited sim self and im really sorry to see it because in terms of domestic policy and Bernie Sanders says done a great deal of good in the United States to push the argument to more progressive position so i kind of feel free for bernies son to sue i admire in some ways but of course hes scared. That hes going to make a mistake and that will be the end of his till to 2020 election you know you only have to see the way. Some of you. Progressive sin congress or even people whove been there for a few years get attacked for making any kind of financial war statement well actually can only as healthy some of the new women you know about poverty as you go would a o c n a o c is now talking about palestine and is going out about julian isnt just being called an a d c my german cool been who kind of supported us on it didnt want him to be extradited doesnt want to be extradited to the us has been called in and hes in music racist how do you see palestine playing in on these issues we could have a long conversation about how smearing may and cobain and asuncion anybody else who criticizes the Israeli Government as antis semites is absurd clearly and is such a blatant and cheap. Tactic and we know why they do it we know why the ministry of Strategic Affairs in tel aviv. Does it they do it because they have no aunts. To the accusations of Human Rights Violations and war crimes and so on and so forth so its just a smokescreen to divert attention from the fact that our criticisms those of us who criticize the Israeli Governments policies in the occupied territories and in israel itself and support b. D. S. Maybe its a smokescreen to divert attention from the fact that were right and theyre wrong i was sickened by the way that was happening in the u. K. At the Labor Party Conference and the attempted smearing of jeremy cole been coping hes a man of great principle he also has humanity he cares about people he empathizes with others cool cool. Has said that and diana but the shot of exactly is that assigns must not be extra dieted i just quickly actually i better ask you about how juliet is looming aged issues like palestine and yemen and britain now sending record levels of weapons to israel somebody like Julian Assange which willy nilly will be a progressive think fouts why he chose to do the job he chose to do thats why hes an activist thats why we mention him in the same breath as john pilcher because he cares about other people. He has some of the same qualities that jeremy kolb in as im going to ask you what you would say to the british Prime Minister and what you think about what will happen to julian here in london and whether indeed as some people say he might be killed but i was say to the british Prime Minister. I suspect that i mean i could say and i think 1st id say resign but after that open for that i said before you resign think carefully about handing Julian Assange of a to the americans except i think that would be a waste of my breath i think i need to speak directly to the british people i cannot use to raise a mag as a conduit to them caray to resumes beyond redemption and beyond help of any kind certainly for me in my view. Tory shes a dyed in the wool posts that tory i have no respect for to shes also provided oh presided over the greatest disaster is probably in the history of those set to dials and im talking about bricks it obviously would you say the subject the stakes here with that he might be killed or would you say that what we should learn from this whole episode is the importance of information and facts they are killing as son do you see him when he came out of the embassy hes been living he hasnt seen hardly seeing daylight for 6 years having committed no crime just because donald trump the commander in chief once seemed dead he may very well end up dead that is why the british people he called them as he was taken by those special broncho for. Says into that van and driven away he called upon the people of Great Britain to resist i heard him i watched on the t. V. They resist them and they should there should be a general strike in england to prevent them being extradited there should be millions in the street like there were before the invasion of iraq though the powers that be probably wouldnt take any notice they didnt of that so as sarge we were store to everything that we can to protect him roger waters thank you well ahead of the forcible removal of Julian Assange by british authorities professor in the old melt the un special rapporteur on torture was due to visit the wiki leaks founder in order to assess whether his conditions amounted to cruel inhuman or degrading treatment he joins me now via skype from geneva neal thanks so much for coming on so the u. K. Prime minister treys im a minority government leader said in parliament we should welcome the arrest of julian a son zhu a political refugee Identity Card and obviously she knew of the u. S. Extradition request should we welcome it. And expressed extreme plans to expel an. Ready embassy. Because i would be arrested and possibly that actually its United States so i dont think that is a Good Development and should be extremely concerned about it you wanted to see him when he was inside the Ecuadorian Embassy just like your colleague the special rapporteur on previously just tell me why you werent able to see him and now whether youre going to perhaps visit him in belmarsh prison in South East London known to some as the kind of guantanamo of britain. Well the 1st time mostly visit to the embassy and to assign in the embassy and areas for a look or a sort of kindness of april now thats what were a long way from now and was surprised and shocked to see the arrest and before we could actually visit him there yes i heard another process of making an official request of the british authorities to be able to visit him in his career as a detention but so far you cant say theres been any obstruction of un special rapporteur to witness the conditions in which an innocent has been kept in what i cannot do it was to make your case and i certainly many requests and i have not been able to visit him at his place of detention and the concerns the appeal that i have a lot and the 5th of april to suspend any and visits to the steps of expelling him have not been respected and you intend on applying that to come in sam out of bell much president. Well saluki yes because his doctor or a medical doctor examined him in the Ecuadorian Embassy said the humanity in the humanity of his treatment and the flagrant denial of his universal rights by a quid or the u. K. Are unconscionable. Well you know perfectly obvious the name of her consort is not about past conditions. But it is to fall its 1st of all his current medical conditions and where there is apparently a traditional liberal is proportional to support ready that you lack of his clinical condition and secondly the risks you expose true to the United States are different for a country because we now have revelations about what was going on when jeremy corbins now breakfast secretary shadow brecht secretary once the head of the Crown Prosecution Service we have messages showing that they apparently attempted to persuade swedish authorities not to drop Sexual Assault allegations saying dont you get cold feet. You know certainly it is obviously difficult to make a definite statement on the whole of the precise connection between areas you know the scenes there seems to be some material there and some questions that are literally asked what we certainly cannot who are is that this is an extremely cold case and therefore also ready there is a great risk that if you market for your trial that there may be a public prejudice against you of course the papers are full of allegations here that this was about cleanliness in the embassy and the former media partner wiki leaks the guardian saying that lenin merino said that sondra spying from the embassy as a political refugee with a refugee card under the 151. 00 convention can can an embassy just chuck someone out after previously giving them asylum. While others assign maliciously zurab is based on the risk of persecution. Also the. Current quarter have to say that there is an absolute right to be protected against any risk of truth or ready all treatment so if due to the senators expulsion or transfer could. Treatment there is absolutely no possibility for state under all circumstances even a National Securi