Because it is and this is another kind of motivation and management so we want to. Decentralize tourist flows from the big city slim to every cardless of the north whether those flows go to big cities or rural areas they leave enormous Environmental ImpactTourism Industry is now bigger and bigger polluter than lets say the Construction Industry if it continues to grow at the current rate cant you be sure that any environmental agreement rather this paris climate deal or whatever can be fulfilled how can you do that when you house such growth to Climate Change through Paris Declaration was made many years ago but no specially the day after tomorrow were going to issue a 1st. Impact on tourism and. The chlorination its not a collision its a report which will work more. 2 years and with a very specific and really Interesting Research is regarding what is the impact of Climate Change into an essential and what is the impact of tourism and. I think its very interesting and i would have a probe that would have. Preferred a detailed. Research and im sure that we would use it on the ground and on the field with the Member States and to see the recommendations to see the solutions of this program but the key issues and again to support and to see these grow can be managed but the secretary general if you support the growth in john in general that means that the Environmental Impact is going to be more substantial that it is now i mean one can now travel from the u. K. To france for 20 pounds if you bring that kind of cheap with billeted to africa if you bring that kind of chip ability to south america how could the planet sustain that. Regarding. Getting there is a huge opportunity to create new jobs and new places a new destination and when were talking about Sustainable Growth this is the brother Sustainable Development its not only to grow the number of tourists this is the abilities itself in the world which is to maintain balance between rome and to be between culture and. Conservation again both nature and conservation of Cultural Heritage this is our world and this is to support countries how to manage in toto see to give up their population so to do it. A few years ago there was a. Similar situation of with the production people used to be proud that that their food comes from all over the world but now you have a growing movement of. People ever aland the globe trying to localize Food Production specifically to minimise Environmental Impact do you think the same think would ever happen to tourism when people would actually decide that i would rather travel locke. Leave them go across the globe and leave a norm less amount of air exhaust just to get some sunlight. I will lead one more thing that goes through me is really important part of tourism today and its. Growing in part of the input production these will grow and grow to tourism flows in the of course it will break it impact for that reason we started last year and will continue next to 3 years to support and to help. Hold tooling better and hope to have innovate to verse aleutians for Food Production in total link it with tortillas and when i was last here 1st petitioning us throw them into a rhythm and the idea is to find the best startups and best projects to manage better the need to manage better. To solve the problem here you were mentioned well but my question was not so much about just trying to me my question was about taking a decision to go across the globe and leave an impact that for the most part these unaccounted for because its me going to that this hasnt of and in fact not only own people in venice but also on people in the caribbean who are feeling the effects of the Climate Change in terms of the harringtons and nobodys. Giving or compensating them for that is that something is something that the global Tourism Industry could ever address because from my understanding its very good at calculating the profits but its not very good at calculating and compensating for the impact once you are creating new your toes or new cities or middle destinations immediately and you need to support and help. I recall to report another very interesting project regarding that issue we were going to launch knowing as we went to lincoln to create platform its all over the construction to support all for most and those individuals who have there are small and Medium Enterprises especially in our go. Production to help them to link with the companies with big chains and special interest sector and to help them to sell the. Productions and. All over the world that with this plot that we are going to support and promote again small families and small. Now from what i know a number of large tourism destinations are now becoming victims of their own success people in van is in barcelona in dubrovnik are no longer the have decided about tourists and many of them complain that this you know this mass tourism in particular house is is changing the character of the neighborhood its making their own lives worse rather than better its changing the quality of their lives do you sympathize with those kind of complaints our headquarters is located in madrid and were very close touch with barcelona mother is again are there more cities in spain with which population of which were hit with some problems and again were meeting with the mayors who was recording off that situation and of course we are supportive and were looking into ways how to manage these inflows and behold to make more Sustainable Growth through. Sometimes its in some cases its not so easy but we want to use it again you know ration. The nations to like whats on the venison dubrovnik and most disappointing now we took was not expecting the Growth Growth will slow for us then so that but again always there is a decision and. Its a matter of management and im hoping to see that all Different Countries and cities. Have some local style of management for example the place for barcelona. Directly to the mayor she was directly involved and she knows that you she want to stop the tourism there this was her message in case of the destination is starting to promote the close this nation to the city and to experience again from the central part of the city so. To create new destinations and to promote new activities cultural activities. All of them out again different but many jubelin. Who are very close with them and the working that were discussing we will have another meeting to discuss in more detail significant general the you asked recently said that or threaten to advantage to you its least of endangered cultural sites dont you think that its perhaps a little bit too had to discuss those things why has this iteration been allowed to progress to a point when you have i made sure your own cultural body to threaten such an action i mean isnt it a little in the way for disaster its already too late maybe no one expected this kind of. Growth again back to. Where we are located spending. Right 23 years ago 50000000 tourists and the last day it was 80 no one expected expected such. So can i ask you as i have of the top here on tourism body how would you describe or define a conscientious tourist is it somebody who travels long distances or on the contrary somebody who tries to travel as little as possible is it somebody who spans and consumes a lot or somebody who on the contrary is very conscious about spending and the environmental and social impact that he or she would have a different kind of course you must let in to respect to the question was that how we can differentiate to include hard chances or asacol terms because at this conference you talk a lot about ethics but what it would have been over. Its difficult to resist who respects 1st of all the environment respect the culture of the. Host country is where hes going to and of course its not the. Case over the number of people how many countries they visited. Or less or more but we we see that the number of tourists are growing we have more than 1400000000 resistors last year and. So you still see growth as a good thing. Ultimately because thats a thats a very important question and many people would say that growth and consumerism in turn is a detrimental thing growth is a good thing but Sustainable Growth management is really important that education is really important quality of service is really very important there are many many. Things which. We need to improve improve and we need to support that its not only growth thats what i mentioned that its not only about growth its about education its a boat you know vision again its about many many components which we need to improve and we need to support of course to diverse and to see on the world there are lots of opportunities and we are supporting the supporter in that is and especially in africa and continue to have a lot of space tools to support and to promote tourism and we have a very concrete and interesting plan an agenda with africa ministers to look. Support the growth because again i will be a little bit to create new jobs for africa and i think were talking about the region its crucial to create new jobs and we are economy that the growth of. Tourists will create new jobs you know what to do we need to create. The growth of tourism we need connectivity we need. More productivity we need more investments more investments in infrastructure and security business and these are companies which we need to improve with them and again africa is huge going into we have 54 Different Countries and all of them they have a different stage of development so there is another. To promote and to support them branding promotion and other issues for for the continent support well secretarygeneral we have to take a very short break now but back in just a few moments. This is. The bad news in yemen the United States deems to be a threat the good. The cia and the u. S. Military were engaged in covert actions really throughout the world. 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This manufactured consensus public will. When the right wing close to some project themselves. In the final. Be the one percent. We can all middle of the room see. The real news. Welcome back to worlds apart this is about putting the best feeling in secretarygeneral of the World Tourism Organization secretary general i heard you say in one interview i think a year ago that in a day could maybe in 2 decades people will forget what we are still sure about that because from my perspective governments seem to be becoming more restricted if about who comes and who go over there for all the world need 20 percent bliss. As when it was a took 10 years that is ago 10 years ago so were working still a little bit and individually with the old Member States and congress to support no result of course and we understand what it will that there are different issues and different internal lower 40 policies for each country and but again. For coasties to decrease the number of visa to facilitate the travel or some too. Make their. Life and troops more comfortable there are a number of countries who are using that tourism outflows as a political leverage i think russia would be one example china would be another you can see a correlation between the number of tourists visiting certain countries and political relations with those countries what do you think about this as i was informed russia is going to open in 2 to give reason for the regime more than 100 countries theme is going so the arabia to do it through the next through it is not always about. These say you know if you come from a regional or from georgia and you know that russia for example introduced. A freeze on direct air travel. Russia and georgia that has a direct impact on the on the number of russian people traveling to georgia. Do you take that as a as a political as a use of tourism as a Political Tool or do you see different. Messages all those 2 dont mix politics. Between them because. I think that sometimes and in many cases these politico looking dynamic the decreasing. Facilitation very optimistic and we think that this group and this possibility will be in many countries and again it will affect them to respect number of visitors let me ask you want to india to become citizens of these countries they still have. And many countries they dont have by the throat facilitation with with china and india and there was a promoting to be more flexible going to open for example the so somebody which is really for. 2 years ago they announced one reason for all or training is to. Number of trainers there is increased china has from what i know the Worlds Largest congregation of tourists thats a very big force that the could also be a very big resource and every time china has somewhat difficult political relationship with a country you can see the number of tourist drop for example it was with south korea recently taiwan in the United States the number of Chinese Tourists is now decreasing is that something that happens naturally or you suspect some political interplay there not truly happened if there is a Natural Disaster but if something is happening between countries political of course its political issue again for Natural Disasters also we have in many cases when the number is that it decreasing Security Issues its another important thing we saw what happened in egypt in tunisia 56 years ago syria where as it was. So clearly collapsed the number of tourists decreased more than 50 percent but you know we have absolutely big change and we have really happy to see that the situation is becoming 2010 which was one of the best year for this countrys. Small lets well these issues are playing glowed political. Conflicts Natural Disasters and Security Issues these are 3 factors which affect a lot of tourist flows from one country to another i want to ask you one more question oh perhaps 2 more question about russia and georgia particular because i think its a very interesting case for the industry and the reason it interests me is because i think it raises a question of what where hospitality begins and where the ends and if you receive where there is if youre foreign visitors from one country how. Derisive for disrespectful you cant afford to be towards that particular country whats your answer to that. I was the minister of economy in tourist mean ga and starting from that day and this is the limit it was really difficult for me because it was just 20092002 the year after general conflict starting from day 2 till tomorrow i dont remember when one tourist from russia who was. And who felt himself. In all of them and would have and these are facts and these are numbers that number of russian visitors increasing every year. Increasing numbers more than from 5 to 10 percent of course if tomorrow we dont have it naturally the number of visitors will decrease why because according to the tourist needs accessible fastest way no one will come to the flying to we stumble and from what we will hear a lot of people do why they are there is a lot of them because we have many. Traditional cultural links that with all due respect mr georgia is also getting a lot of benefit from russian tourists is it ok for the droege and society to have those anti russian not just on to kremlin but actually russian rallies in the center of the leases sparked by nothing i mean there the recent war horse was totally unprovoked it was over deputy obscure deputy sitting in the wrong place in parliament in the grand scheme of things this is nothing and yet it provoked such a major reaction does it change your definition of sustainability when you can lose in a 3rd of your tourist over Something Like that how you build a sustainability after that sure that there were some mistakes there were you know hope that this program will be so i dont know where and when but i hope and. Really be happy if tomorrow well have again direct flights and more the more tourists will coming george and more tourists will come in russia as well and tourism is one of the best instruments for peace. I have not knowing the government of georgia and Russian Politicians but i hope that. Only dialogue and only. Collaborative. So this problem and i hope that again the flights will be back do you think these situation this whole situation offers any lessons for your other Member States in what to do hope perhaps what not to do when it comes to tourism because again we have never well i may be mistaken that we have never seen Something Like that because i think we had a similar situation between russia and turkey if you years ago