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Appear to be terrified of democracy and the peoples will also should we lament the passing of the new liberal order. Cross talking some real news im joined by my guest robert bridge he is a r t website writer we also have dimitri he is a political analyst and editor at in a semi internet media project and in london we cross to Marcus Papadopoulos he is the editor of politics 1st magazine original uncrossed up rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate as usual go to our guest in london marcus im glad youre joining us today look i mentioned in my introduction the impeachment proceedings that are starting against trump and talking about brags that but theres one theme that kind of ties them together and it is my sense that in these political elites across the atlantic and in the u. K. They really want the status quo to be maintained they dont want to lose power and they are terrified terrified of the peoples will they want to undo a referendum in the u. K. And they want to oust a legitimately elected president of the United States by extremely dubious means as we speak marcus your thoughts. Well 1st of all we must be clear that the american and british establishment comprised of conservatives and liberals and they are as the coasts if as each other and they are as dangerous to International Peace and stability as each other and it is abundantly clear that the liberal elements in america and the little elements in britain is refusing to accept the will was the people in america we have a democratically elected president mr trump one that seafarers and 16 president ial election fairly and squarely yet the liberal elements in the american establishment is doing everything within its powers to try and bring him down if we cross over to britain the liberal elements in the british establishment is doing everything that it possibly can to try and the rail dresses and now to try and bring down or stunts and that is at its terrible terrible fret to democracy in both america and britain but theres another point we have to also recognize that donald trump and Boyce Johnson are part of the american and british establishment yet they aspect really dont trump in his Election Campaign 3 years ago pledge that he wanted to drain the swamp well excuse me how long was Donald Trumps women in that swamp fought in the garden boys johnson always johnson is really no difference here acting no certainly to how his predecessors acted and in regards to joe biden and his alleged involvement business involvement in ukraine peta i can quite easily believe that joe biden abused his position walk away but i certainly i certainly hope well find that out because theres a lot of resistance to that ok because he is the. Base of the quote unquote stablish mint that wants to take on trump who is also part of the establishment here its about maintaining the status quo robert this is what theyre afraid of theyre afraid of losing power its not about principles its not in their mind its not about ideology dimitri bobbish would disagree with that and well hear from him in a 2nd but its about maintaining power they preach democracy but they dont practice it and theyre afraid of one thing i think you have to remember is the context here though. Whats happening in washington d. C. Right now is the. Donald trump appointed bar marcus says that theyre not trying to drain the swamp i would disagree to a point that hasnt happened yet it might not happen he might be right but in may d of 2019 trump appointed bill barr and john durham to essentially drain the swamp ok theyre going after Hillary Clinton theyre going after the top guns in the democratic heart of what we hope right here i know you appearing about we keep hearing about it and its the news is out there actually its not out there you never read about it in the Mainstream Media and i think a lot of americans would be surprised to know that the democrats are actually under investigation theres a huge and now its interesting if you had google if you google that bill barr would you come up with hes implicated in this whistle blowing d scandal ok but dont you think robert and i dont want to go directly into the ukraine great so quickly but since were there dont you think this call for an impeachment is a distraction from the i. G. Report and the origins of russia because i think it is i think theres a huge its. Great here the the the crown prince of western liberal ideology as a critic. Well the point is there mr biden is rightly accused of corruption because what happened was that he did not just fire the prosecutor the way he. You know he he demanded he didnt fire him he didnt fire how did it happen he sat in the president s chair. Then he addressed the Ukrainian Parliament saying in 6 hours my plane is leaving in 6 hours i want this guy out you know and the parliament and the government you know almost a week to shorten simply because by then wanted to that whether mr shorten was corrupt or not its a big question you know again short and was appointed by this new government which came to power via a violent coup you know with the support of the United States and the European Union and this new government under leashed and civil war and what makes me specially angry is what are the democrats angry about trying to give them sound on time with the weapons you know the sniper rifles that antitank missiles didnt like going to be very clear here during the the in this conversation this famous conversation right now the president of ukraine did not know that trumpet had 2nd thoughts about since for example the money for army as it is to thank drum for seemed in the weapons so it was not so important for the landscape where the weapons arrived on time it was in july you know so the democrats of not saying these weapons for 2 months well what are these weapons these weapons were supposed to be used to kill people who went to the same school who watched the same television who lived in the same country for at least 203040 years of their lives and the democrats are just you know infuse that vote that i was extremely disappointed by the road dreher who wrote in the american conservative that these my need was actually supposed to help ukraine protect themselves no this money in these weapons were supported well to cry i think i think iran should stick to conservative ideology because thats his good suit not former. Doesnt know if that or you dont know what its about to go back to markets i mean thats and its an obvious point here and watching reading western media about whats going on in ukraine that it just. Theyre blind or deaf because of both they dont know what to say i mean its really a tragedy but i want to go i want to go back to this anti. Democratic. Strain that we see in these elites here because it seems to me in the case of breaks it and in the case of the attempted impeachment of donald trump theyre destroying Democratic Institutions because theyre not going to be worth very much if they are so abused with the only aim is to gain power and to gain power by means that are not democratic and short circuiting democratic norms your thoughts marcus. Well look as i said moments ago dont donald trump one that the 2016 president ial election fairly and squarely that is democracy people in britain in jamesy fasten the 16 votes its a leave the that is not democracy by its classical definition but nonetheless thats was the will of the power and therefore the conservatives and the liberals who constitute the american and british establishment should respect the will of the American People and all the british people but then pizza since when has the american establishment and the british establishment been truly a big can of democracy and they havent and they are not go in so they are as bad as each other well you know if were talking about joe biden and ukraine and i dont like half of the subjects of europeans if you are able to get Sheldon Adelson on the cross oh and by using your penetrates and analysis penetrating question and you could be able to get details out of him about how donald trump i suspect strongly suspect is abusing his president ial position to secure more Business Contracts for himself in saudi arabia and israel i doubt i would find that very easy to believe in such he wants to look at them and mark in and Marcus Marcus im not going to disagree with you if if it can be proven that the president of the United States is abusing his power show me the evidence and make it public and move forward here but robert did but this is not whats happening here because i think its pretty easy obvious to say that biden was up to something ok i dont want to be libeled or sued radios not get something in ukraine here but the Mainstream Media doesnt really want to they dont focus in on it now me some think biden apparently did something in ukraine but its Donald Trumps fault thats my mess. It makes me think the this this when i 1st heard about it i thought to myself this is a perfect way to get the media to talk about what joe biden and his son hunter hes going to do that hes the user that loser in all of this because they will scratch a little bit because now they have to talk about it and if they go to impeachment then this makes this makes the democrats look doubly desperate to go to this you need to think if you think yeah because. I mean to take it to this level where theyre going to have to show and prove all these things about hunter well how he got his money not only from ukraine but from china were talking billions of dollars reportedly 1500000000 judy have been 40 seconds go well just let me cite double standards here even me as we find out from the Washington Post senators what menendez yes Richard Durbin wrote a letter to the prosecutor general youre able to uncle expression concern at the quote was you know for investigations thats that they said were critical to them you will probe so they can pressure the ukrainian prosecutor general not to show that its very sensitive as a democrat that the crowds can demand investigations but republicans cant ok thats why the media wont back up thats why i say ideology is important here because the crocs you know the central ultra liberal ideology these are the democrats in that case all of the united that thought demon were going to go were going to go to a short break and after that short break well continue our discussion on some real news state. 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Welcome back to crossfire where all Things Considered im Peter Lavelle to remind you were discussing some real news. Ok lets go back to london to change gears here i want to talk about russias foreign minister Sergey Lavrov he addressed the General Assembly of the United Nations in new york and i really like to the speech because he didnt mince his words if you know if youll give me a 2nd here ill give you 2 quotes that i liked of the most quote its hard for the west to accept that its centuries long domination is diminishing another sentence here the west has been increasingly forgetting about International Law and more often dwell on what rules based order whatever that means ok marcus whats your major take away from that because it really was a salvo across the west bio about how the world is being run or not being run very well go ahead marcus in london. So roth is a magnificent diplomat and he delivers a magnificent speech and in my estimation he is russias greatest amat after our own joy and he is absolutely correct that the wests power is waning it is diminishing but we must not get carried away by American Global dominance or for medical very real military strength its cultural strengths its political strength its economic strength we must recognize that america is a superpower and American Global about your west. Is going to remain indefinitely but things are different compared to how it was in the 99 seats in the 9090 s. America supreme russia was on its knees china was still progressing but today we have a very strong russia and a very strong china i dont necessarily believe that there is going to the world of eloquence of multipolar about i always believe that the wells will be comprised of the 2 superpowers lusha and america i dont attach much importance to the other great countries later i mean i think a very strong case can be made basically a topic for another program that i see are a bipolar world it will be a chinese han world it will be a competing west ok what the west will be made of but it comprises of is a different topic altogether and very very complicated but but robert there really there isnt a recognition within the American Foreign policy blob that multilateralism it is coming into being i mean and i think this. In this case this explains a lot of the aggression coming out of washington in its western allies where im thinking about iran im thinking of im in because then. Window the unit polar moment it might even be already close to ok were in Something Different is coming about and that that explains all of this aggression because that moment to be able to do things so unilaterally is coming to an end and a lot of people more and more people are just ignoring the u. S. Because the u. S. Is isolating itself what do you think. Well i dont think its going to be possible to completely ignore the United States all im not saying that in a multilateral world thats still there and what we what we have going on now is that you see the United States military is just all over the place i mean if you look at a map where the flags of the u. S. Military are it its just red everywhere ok except china and. This is this is where this whole idea of you know pull the world and the multipolar world are clashing whats going to happen when when russia and china or also for middle enough to send fleets so latin america to have their bases there in latin america to start you know what the United States the u. S. Navy is doing right now in china there are just the armada there is just amazing theyve got the whole china china sea covered with all the islands. For now whats going to happen its going to happen now how is the United States going to respond to this so this this is a very dangerous moment right now in World History because the United States is theres a are there power is waning i dont know if you could say waning but its being balanced its being balanced i mean if you have whats going to happen once once the turn really face russia and china on their own territory theyre going back you are likely to russia have a diff slightly different game here i mean russia and china are purely defensive right now theyre not exporting ideology theyre not exporting their model theyre none of those things they want to survive as the old as the world order evolves and its good. Be very. Unstable you could be in again and reckless and im thinking of brussels and washington as they see their power slipping through their fingers you know. Whats worse about this is that the american exceptionalism see it reminds me of what. During the after the 2nd world war in Eastern Europe and said that the gains of socialism cannot be lost ok because that is what history has in one direction ok the burden is going to end so i feel that this is the same kind of mindset that you have with washington is that the the order that they created is the order that was ordained by american exceptionalism and the bolton line ok that isnt true and thats what makes it very dangerous if you look at that that if there and i go what youre proclaimed the nations that care it is exceptional the nonces did it for biological reasons why we germans were belonged to the record images and did it for ideological reasons the russian people is the 1st to establish comment of its the greatest nation on the earth i remember that and and what happens now is that theyre actually its not you he said roughly the same things that you out and he was even more outspoken at the un i think 2 years ago when he said that we should law i would outlaw that i do or would you change and here i slightly disagree regime change is a tool its an instrument into an instrument for achieving their goals theres a little chump about it because theres a regime change you can see that it was. Terrible because they look nice on the surface just like. Goals also look nice on the surface because you know the socialist ideas of the 19th century were absolutely great you know they were really humane but the way you study and treated them was terrible the same story with ideas no equality of sex protection of minority. This is all nice but when David Cameron for example suggested that we dont send economic aid to african countries which do not recognize same sex marriage this is cruelty you know this is a good idea turned on its on its had basically you know protected in my experience so you know but its not its not about that its about hegemony battle that its about all this is about you know its and once again its not about oh its about just its about power its not about very quickly and and here you know the story of gratitude when again you can disagree with or you can agree with a person on faux news who said that she was sick and people who sent her there were basically using it for their means to seek child you can disagree with that person and you can agree but it was spotty can announce that he wont be allowed to speak on television you know that they wont invite him anymore and that was terrible because people should be able to express any thoughts that they. Really regulating as a topic of a very specific Program Going to do anything ok this is going off for a bit but i think when we really see an ideological. Face down hes going to be at the next olympics and i predict ok american transgender woman is going to go compete against russian guy ok or man get bit confusing and the americans going to win or the russian win whatever you from your side i love to be there this is what your question and this is another part of the idea of ideological war that we really need to talk about and think about this whole idea of. I mean for example transgender this is something that is just unheard of in this part of the world. So and its in now the west is is there going to start to train russia is being cruel they dont accept these people and especially little happens in the olympics they said this was just this is just one side of the hard to see. Remember remember the world cup game is too wide but they didnt know all the different ethnic groups that were just very quickly in all 5 seconds look how many of your overtreat terms they have invented homo force me so genius. That reminds me of. Every opponent was that right is deviation is left his deviation iest whoosh you are individuated buan after this they come talk they conclave a normal discussion they must in some way to before they know it their own and they can do that they do mean you and then you know were going to is going to go back to the markets different direction that i didnt expect or i want to go back to lover of speech what i think is interesting is that a lot of smart people people not in the mainstream picked up on his speech in which is absolutely right hes spoken about this before but it doesnt get any traction whatsoever with the elites does it is its almost as if they didnt even happen but if you really want to understand how the International Order is changing. As one you should listen to i bet go ahead marcus. Well the american elites and the british relates of course is not going to agree with what its like or that are set up but in private they are very alarmed by the growing power influence and confidence of both russia and china and that is why they are taking action that the moments to try and weaken the both moscow and beijing but on the other hand the americans and the british still remain confident piece if we go back to 2007 most of latin america had a lets it democratically elected left wing it governments which want is a distance that country so america now look what happens the americans have struck back most of latin america is again crow american today ukraine is and this pains me to say is in americas orbit and as each day as each week as each month as each year goes past ukraine the birthplace of russia is insecure its and more and more in the west why do i say that because my argument is this American Global power that western global dominance had somebody is a miserable what it is so strong that it is frightening yes we have russia that is immensely important yes china which is soon celebrates its 70 years of communism and has achieved extraordinary accomplishments its strong but we must never underestimate what america is capable of doing ads they lost but they are looking to strike back at you know i am sure we live in very dangerous times absolutely i mean given the math 15 2nd here i agree with marcus that this ball is for me the ball but it is also blind and to pit and the story between joe biden and trump has shown that you know they want that this printout made what it added to what they can no warmth. But if it was that kind of ukrainian warps they so hes basically leaking up to trump all these i dont know i know to run the show exactly and so i dont know on the show if its all you have to trump thats how we end the program here thats all the time we have many thanks to my guests here in moscow and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here r. T. See you next time and remember across the bulls. In 24 you know bloody revolution here to clear the demonstrations going from being relatively peaceful political protests to be creasing the violent revolution is always spontaneous or is it you know we hear a pretty meaningless put video clue in the new bill is that i mean you split needle the former ukrainian president recalls the events of 2014. Those who took part in this today over 5000000000 dollars to assist ukraine in these and other goals that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic. World is driven by shaped by. The day. Thinks. We dare to ask. There. Ive. 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